- Location
- Oklahoma
The silk isn't relevant, sure.
The We themselves are characters, and show up pretty regularly in social votes.
Also they're just super interesting and fun.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
The silk isn't relevant, sure.
The We themselves are characters, and show up pretty regularly in social votes.
Also they're just super interesting and fun.
Codex
Fantasy Addict
- Pronouns
- She/Her
We voted to not be involved in the economic affairs of the We, but the thread has consistently checked up on them and been concerned and cared about them. The thread wanted to have them maintain their autonomy and independence and allow them the chance to be whatever they wanted rather than convert them into silk making machines whose job is to convert livestock into money, and I greatly respect that decision.
Mathilde had no obligation to look over their economic development and education, she had already solved the problem by turning them into a military asset and diplomatic ally, which made them subject to handling by the diplomat and marshal. Their narrative relevance is in the fact that we are friends and allies with them, and we have taken multiple actions to look over them over the years and note their progress and even made a book about them to record their existence.
And in terms of mechanical relevance? The Karagril gauntlet is still a thing, but instead of a steady war of attrition where the Dwarfs waste gunpowder and manpower to hold back the tides of Greenskins, the We hunt down the guantlet, clear it of orcs and consume them to expand their number. Without them the Gauntlet would be a steady loss of resources. We just haven't been involved in tracking down the logistics of the Karak in general, but they do matter even without the Silk.
- Location
- Chicago
- Pronouns
- She/They
It seems like I really should pick back up on Soizic and start including the We more, as they've shifted into her sphere instead of Mathilde's. Or of curiosity, are there any other subjects that people would like to see explored through her viewpoint? I'm thinking I'm going to start taking a few more liberties as Mathilde pays less attention, and it would be cool to be able to fill in bits that people see as gaps.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
The Okral, and the general reaction to them from K8P's Dwarf population?
Codex
Fantasy Addict
- Pronouns
- She/Her
There was mention a good while ago about an influx of people coming through to Karag Nar in K8P, majority of them being unmarried women:
I think it'd be neat to take a look into the dynamics of these immigrants as they arrive and mingle with Karag Nar's inhabitants. I'd imagine most of these people are the adventurous sort who wanted to leave the Empire for one reason or another.
A tragically common failing.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Okay, and now I think it's time to dredge up an old conversation.
Namely: Are we sure Mathilde isn't an Ulgu Dragon? Because that sound like the kind of opinion an Ulgu Dragon would hold.
Don't think Cython would tolerate another dragon on its home turf
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
Ulgu Dragon tho...
So maybe Mathilde is hiding her dragon...ness so well that she manages to hide it from herself and also Cython?
- Location
- Utrecht
I think they continue ticking, but boney doesn't keep track of how far they are. The next time the story goes in that direction, we might learn that they have gotten quite a bit further. There just wasn't a progress bar slowly ticking up while we weren't looking. It just jumped up to an appropriate number when we looked again.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I deleted my message because I phrased it unfairly IMO. Seeing how I did that too late and someone already replied, I want to apologize. I know that things do in fact tick in on the background, like we see from Marienburg and from Sylvania.
That said, if what you say is actually true, I don't know how much I like that. Personally I never ever felt compelled into looking into the We silk again because I thought I knew what the problem was and that someone else was tasked with dealing with it. Edda couldn't find willing Dwarven weavers and so Belegar tasked first her and then Francesco (using EIC contacts I think) to get Human weavers. Human weavers then have to do all the stuff that craftsmen need to do in order to productively work with a novel material. None of that requires Mathilde's expertise in any way. So I was waiting for an update on that process having concluded before turning my eyes back there again, because I genuinely don't know how long that would take.
In general, things being in Shroedinger's stasis if we don't actively spend AP or SP to choose to look at it feels like it makes the world a bit less alive. Though that wasn't a problem I perceived this quest as having to this extend because BoneyM indeed does give us updates of significant developments. There's both the social action initiated by someone else and the EIC updates and rumor reports, among other things. The stuff where it had been made explicit that we have to go look at them if we want to see the progress have until now been minor things like random curios we donated to other Wizards or some money that's calmly accumulating in the middle of Bumblefuck, Stirland. But the We silk, once on the market, is going to massively shake up the economy in the Empire and beyond. It's not something the prime shareholder of the EIC would miss due to lack of interest.
P.S.: I am in no way complaining about the We silk not being available yet. Such things may well take a decade or more for whatever reason we have decided not to look at and solve. I just think that, one way or the other, Mathilde should know. And that at least someone in Belegar's staff or the staff of his staff should, like, care about this massive money maker and be trying to move it forward, with or without competence. I mean at the very least the Humans must see the massive amounts of money they personally can make by being involved.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Depends on the dragon and what they're there to do, I'd say. A non-wind dragon would have almost no chance, but wind dragons? Depending on the circumstances, I could see it.
- Location
- Utrecht
Only if they are also Book Dragons.
- Location
- Oklahoma
Cython has historically tolerated many dragons in their territory, though for how long varies.
Additionally, that they're willing to inhabit only part of one mountain in K8P without a care for what's going on in the other seven and three fifths would imply that they're downright neighborly by dragon standards.
Additionally, that they're willing to inhabit only part of one mountain in K8P without a care for what's going on in the other seven and three fifths would imply that they're downright neighborly by dragon standards.
Some tensions? It's nice to see things go well, but it's also nice to see the stress points. Even the best of friends fight, and these are three people that are trying to shape an new nation.
the leaders are from three very different nations, social classes, and backgrounds.
There has to be a few topics they don't all see eye to eye on, argue over or even make choices in their area that they know the others won't really like, but 'ask forgiveness, not permission': competing agendas basically.
e.g I could See conflict over funding the army between Soizic and Francesco.
while Soizic isn't as hardline as some other Kightlanders no guns etc, she was a mercenary for a time after all, but that doesn't mean that she would want things mercintal if she could help it.
I could see her wanting to change the Undumgi into a 'proper' force in the knightly, Bretonnian concept of such: funding coming from the tole and taxes, and whatever the soldier and officers and leaders want to put back in themselves. so that the army is 'morally' free to guard all equally and fairly.
while I could see Francesco wanting to keep some of the more tilean practices of giving better treatment and guards to Caverns that pay more.
or maybe she is having a bit of a tiff with some other unnamed members of the army because she (like mathy did) keeps on trying to promote the Lady as the sponsor of the army and they keep on going 'no Sigmer/Myrmidia!'
Like, I know people want Soizic/Francesco/Oswald to be all the best parts of who they reperenct, but seeing some of the faults, bias, and tensions would make them feel more real.
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ShyPerson
Guardian of the dead’s final rest.
- Location
- Sweden
- Pronouns
- Him/He
I think whatever you wanted to say got cutoff there.
Look, I get what you're saying, but as someone that's GM'd for a tabletop RPG, I'm very aware that you have to give admitatative slack if you want to keep things rolling. (my big sin in this is fugging the heath boxes/will power/how much they had of whatever verion of mana stat they had. for WoD mooks and unimportant monsters. I just killed them if I though the group hit them enough times or hard enough. that way I could throw lots of them around the real bad guys and not have to keep track of every 30 heath boxes a fight)
here is a behind the scenes fact: GMs lie about how much they keep track of in the background, or to be precise, they don't keep track of everything even if they are good at making you think they do.
I think boeny keeps track of the relevant background rolls to whatever plot or event is happening in narrative time, but I forgive them if they don't want to obsessive over long term background stuff.
Boney updates regularly, if part of how they do that is to put stuff in the background in the 'I'll get to it when its narratively importnet or I think this is a good/bad/interesting time for the pay off' box instead of the 'I'm going to spend hours looking over an Exel sheet to keep track of background rolls for things that the thread might have forgotten about or wont actually ever look into again' box: more power to them.
now, you will see that I've asked about these things before 'k8ps economic benefits' but I don't actually think they keep track of some hidden roll for irl years now, I'm just hoping that they will go 'oh ya, that... ya this is a good turn for that to come up again!'
obligatory: Boney is people, not Quest machine comment.
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are you sure? looks fine to me.
ShyPerson
Guardian of the dead’s final rest.
- Location
- Sweden
- Pronouns
- Him/He
It's not punctuated, and looks like it's leading in to something more.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
It's been over two months since I've done one of these, but now that I've finished moving, no excuse not to go typo-hunting again.
Turn Twenty-Eight
Turn Twenty-Eight Results Part Two
established -> establishes
Turn Twenty-Eight Social Part One
The Chamberlain of the Seal
Turn Twenty-Eight Social Part Three
Turn Twenty-Nine
yourself -> you
Turn Twenty-Nine Results
Turn Twenty-Nine Social Part Two
Turn Thirty Results Part One
Turn Thirty Social Part Two
admittance -> admission (admittance only refers to permitting physical entrance)
space. -> space,
Either where -> to or see -> "see was".
These two bits are in past tense where the rest of the Thorgrim interlude is in present tense. No opinion on which is better, but it started out present, so I flagged the past tense.
appraised -> apprised
Turn Twenty-Eight Results Part Two
arrives -> arrive
established -> establishes
Turn Twenty-Eight Social Part One
Since then you've -> Since then, you've
Ancestors -> Ancestor
lead -> led
yourself -> you (unless the rhetorical point here is that Mathilde's narration is wry about courtiers being sent to provide stuff for *her*, in which case I would say something like "your own self" -- "yourself" is incorrect for reasons I can get into but which are boring)
The Chamberlain of the Seal
invidual -> individual
Turn Twenty-Eight Social Part Three
business -> businesses
Turn Twenty-Nine
there's -> there are
yourself -> you
Turn Twenty-Nine Results
dwells -> dwell
said -> set
Turn Twenty-Nine Social Part Two
empoverished -> impoverished
Turn Thirty Results Part One
had arrived -> arrived (full sentence quoted for context of the "had been Xing... when... [verb]" construct)
whisp -> wisp (apparently whisp is an uncommon variant, but you consistently use wisp elsewhere in the quest)
Not quite a typo, but the "so any" part of the sentence is weird, because it doesn't specify *male* magically-sensitive Kislevites, which it feels like it should (unless I am missing something, which is possible).
Turn Thirty Social Part Two
Reuse of the phrase "sunlight streaming in" -- I would just delete the first one and make it "lit from a huge opening."
laying -> lying
Subject-verb agreement: "it allows" -> "they allow" or "New tongues are" -> "A new tongue is"
I'm fairly sure there is a lot of excuses for not tyop-hunting through 251+ updates.
- Location
- Utrecht
PicklePikkl is just updating his cross reference. That's how he always has the right quote for us mere mortals
Well, now we know one area The Loremaster is weak in. Making excuses.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
Pickle is actually just an infomorph and therefore has perfect recall.PicklePikkl is just updating his cross reference. That's how he always has the right quote for us mere mortals