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Hmm, anyone else on the "Get that man a staff" train?

I'm getting some practice for when I have an apprentice!
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I'm testing if having a been a dwarf in past life makes you better at making stuff. I'm sure there's a paper or three there...
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Making friends! MOAR FRIENDS! :V
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It's an homage to the ancient Norse Dwarf Tradition of Gift Giving
 
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DragonParadox said:
Huh... well I would not be entirely opposed to making a staff for him. He would be a useful person to have in our corner long term and I'm sure he would put a staff to good use.
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I think the main question would be materials.

Do we use our dragonbone? Do we put in a bounty for more? Do we go for something else, like that one Arabyan wood?
 
Redshirt Army said:
"But [culture] is doing things wrong. They should be more like us, that would definitely improve things for them." - original sentiment that has definitely never occurred anywhere before
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You know, IRL when crazy anticonsumerists/anticapitalists try to push for radical change in our culture to avoid climate collapse, they don't get this sort of response.
But do go on, tell us that we shouldn't even dare discuss the flaws in Dawi culture that are apparently leading to their slow extinction.

More seriously, I think you're being very uncharitable in how you portray this argument. BoneyM is right to criticise some posters (there have been some bad take in this thread...) but that doesn't make your post fair.
 
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BoneyM said:
Making staves for other people is valid and would be interesting, but pulling a staff gacha for Mathilde when the odds of her even matching the Staff of Mistery are extremely low would probably make for an extremely uninteresting experience for everyone.
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question about this.

what is exactly the deal with making staff for other colleges?

I know the bright college can do it, and Mathy maybe (maybe) be able to create one with windherder so that her Uglu doesn't get in the way.

but is making stuffs for other winds a thing? like, can be done as more than a jealously guarded bright college secret.

though that said, windherder staffs would actually be both a good WEB-MAT project, and a great signing on bonus.
 
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Valmond said:
If he wanted a staff, he is perfectly capable of getting one.
Maybe if we were particularily close, or learned he was looking for a staff and wanted a favour of him, then maybe, but as a random gift it seems odd.
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He is not perfectly capable of getting one because the staff turner for the Greys is dead. The position is vacant.

Not everyone is skilled at enchantment and capable of making their own staffs. Starke is just unlucky that he's relatively new so he couldn't benefit from the staff turner and can't commision a staff from another college because that isn't possible.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
"But [culture] is doing things wrong. They should be more like us, that would definitely improve things for them." - original sentiment that has definitely never occurred anywhere before
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Thanks for saying this, I was about to do a post with colonialism and "how dare these people not build factories" and such, but this is much smoother.
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
question about this.

what is exactly the deal with making staff for other colleges?

I know the bright college can do it, and Mathy maybe (maybe) be able to create on with windherder so that her Uglu doesn't get in the way.

but is making stuffs for other winds a thing? like, can be done as more than a jealously guarded bright college secret.

though that said, windherder staffs would actually be both a good WEB-MAT project, and a great signing on bonus.
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Some have complicated interactions with specific spells that require someone that actually knows the Wind, but Mathilde has a solid enough base in magical theory and interactions that she could make a more general purpose staff for any Wind and tailor it to the recipient.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
You know, IRL when crazy anticonsumerists/anticapitalists try to push for radical change in our culture to avoid climate collapse, they don't get this sort of response.
But do go on, tell us that we shouldn't even dare discuss the flaws in Dawi culture that are apparently leading to their slow extinction.

More seriously, I think you're being very uncharitable in how you portray this argument. BoneyM is right to criticise some posters (there have been some bad take in this thread...) but that doesn't make your post fair.
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Most anticonsumerists/anticapitalists ar trying to change their culture, not walking into another culture and telling them they are doing it wrong.

And problem is not that people criticize dwarf culture, but they keep doing it, again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and, well, you get the point.

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Codex said:
He is not perfectly capable of getting one because the staff turner for the Greys is dead. The position is vacant.

Not everyone is skilled at enchantment and capable of making their own staffs. Starke is just unlucky that he's relatively new so he couldn't benefit from the staff turner and can't commision a staff from another college because that isn't possible.
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Let me tell you about this wonderful thing called favour.
If Starke wants a staff, he can find a wizard capable of making one, and then offering to do them a solid.
 
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BoneyM said:
Some have complicated interactions with specific spells that require someone that actually knows the Wind, but Mathilde has a solid enough base in magical theory and interactions that she could make a more general purpose staff for any Wind and tailor it to the recipient.
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so usually no, but mathy can big learning skills and traits flex on the topic?

nice.
 
I feel like if you want to help the dwarves deal with the problem of rune knowledge loss the best chance you have is to try to get rune smiths to be more open with other rune smiths, rather than being quite so reliant on apprentice lines.

To become an acknowledged rune smith, they must already have passed a certain "you must be this worthy to enter" bar. Sure Kragg may never find the one apprentice who is worthy of all his lore. But all these other rune smiths must be worthy of some of his lore, because otherwise they wouldn't be acknowledged as rune smiths.

This wouldn't save everything, but it would at least mitigate the "only person with the knowledge didn't have time to teach an apprentice" issue somewhat. As I understand it passing rune knowledge between full rune smiths requires pretty high value trading. If some of those can be moved from "personal secrets" to "guild secrets" level then the problem can be at least slowed down without violating the "better for the knowledge to die than go to one unworthy" belief.

The other issue of course, is that I suspect a rune smith of today and a rune smith of the golden age would value the same knowledge with a differing set of worthiness criteria, but unless you can find a golden age runelord that doesn't really help.
 
bryanfran36 said:
Everything.

10000+ pages is damned intimidating.
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Mountain Vietnam is a reference to the "A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism" quest on SV - Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

More specifically, it's a reference to the "Reclamation of Karak Ungor" plotline within that quest, which ended up taking 96 updates (including epilogues) and 5 interludes, as well as over 2 IRL years (Oct 2015 to Dec 2017) to complete.

The "Mountain" comes from this expedition / plotline taking place within a mountain, and the "Vietnam" is a comparison to how the Vietnam War similarly took up much more time than initially anticipated.
 
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Mopman43 said:
They are ultimately trying to change their own culture, though.

Trying to change an entirely different people's culture has a rather more fraught history.
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Greta Thunberg tours the world. Is she a colonialist?
When we have international groups like Greenpeace, are european activists elected to leadership being colonialists towards the south american Greenpeace groups ?

We can talk about colonialism when the Empire exploits Dwarves, not when Mathilde idly wonders how she could politely ask Dwarves to change something about their institutions.
 
Hmm, if we're planning on making a staff for Stark, then perhaps we should make an item for all of the LM's? It'll be a hefty investment (7 AP minimum, plus resources, plus trying to decide on what to actually give each person), but it'll be a nice thing to do.

Shame we never really have any downtime to dedicate to projects like that.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Hmm, if we're planning on making a staff for Stark, then perhaps we should make an item for all of the LM's? It'll be a hefty investment (7 AP minimum, plus resources, plus trying to decide on what to actually give each person), but it'll be a nice thing to do.

Shame we never really have any downtime to dedicate to projects like that.
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Light runes so they have a more reliable source for burning shadows :V
 
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