Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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torroar said:
As for Roland, his people have to deal with religious crazies too. Their special flavor like to scavenge for every bit of castoff a holy Grail Knight might leave behind. Some even drag the corpses of Grail Knights around and parade them around on little panoplies. Sometimes on thick beams of wood with a saddle. Sometimes a horse skeleton. Sometimes the Grail Pilgrims do it to wounded knights, and potentially crush them to death while they scavenge for more holy materials. Grail Pilgrims, much like Flagellants, are a known and openly acknowledged SUICIDAL group of fanatics
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I don't disagree with this, but also, the fact that the Battle Pilgrims are used to represent the Guardians of La Maisontaal suggests they, the Battle Pilgrims that is, run a considerable gamut of sanity.

Just a thought.

Not quite sure what to vote for in any case.
 
Altom said:
No offence intended, but every last bit of lore I have read indicates that this paragraph is factually incorrect. Now, it is possible I missed something, or that torroar changed it, but I have never heard of someone stopping being a flaggelant in any way other then going six feet under.
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I was pretty sure there was a Flagellant career in the WFRP; one that lets you exit that career. (Unlike the Daemonslayer career, to which the Career Exit just has the line "A glorious death." I believe.)

For the vast most part, yeah, Flagellants just die. Or just continue seeking death if they survive their ordeal.

What I don't feel comfortable or sure is a good idea, though, is applying engineering or the eye of the government to it. It feels to me like it's one thing if people or peoples do this or resort to it; and that sometimes feudal lords or generals or warrior priests can go "Well, we have this flock of Flagellants around, and there's a Waaagh coming in..." It feels like it's another thing if Generals or feudal lords or Master Engineers have more of a say or more of a hand in this.

Does that sort of make sense? To draw a line like that? Or to imagine that there is a line there, and to worry and think about and consider the costs or implications of it?
 
Well, if we are talking knightly orders, I would say:
Bull warriors - call
White wolves - leave (will probably go to the ice flame)
Morrites (both) - call

North Star - leave
Longshanks -leave
This gives us lot's of heavy infantry and some cavalry but also leaves enough for Mgnus to reinforce us or react to Beasttide. Taalites in particular would be crucial there.

BTW @torroar will you tell us the numbers of irregulars (militia, noble households, merchant guards etc) in an update?
 
Assuming this plan is viable if GM allows us to take out mothballed units from engineering school, here is my plan thus far. What do people think?

Soup Tank should be major morale boost to Nordlanders since it saved tons of lives during Gruber campaign, their Count included, and likely to help a lot with logistics of Stephan evacuating most of coast inland. Ironblaster should be helpful too against any monstrous units since they lack Vapor Tanks.

[] Plan Bombers, Soup Tank and Knights
-[] Allow Anna
-[] Yes (Send Soup Tank and Ogre Ironblaster to Nordland since they are just sitting in school)
-[] Call North (Bull Warriors, Knights Raven, and Black Guard)
 
Garlak said:
Does that sort of make sense? To draw a line like that? Or to imagine that there is a line there, and to worry and think about and consider the costs or implications of it?
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Unfortunately, the only answer to be found there is in politics.
I think it does though.
If we survive this and the Beasttide, I think we should publically say No More- that flagellants are a tragedy, that we shouldn't normalise it.

What's the point of our power, otherwise?
 
Well, is not i have anything against the suicide flagelants, as long there's a choice in using the discs that is, but don't there better methods of delivering those disks?, they aren't that idiot proof.
 
On the topic of the flagellants, I'm a bit worried that the Druchi might start using them to their advantage if they figure out that we have outfitted them with bombs. So if we were to start using them as such we would have to get away from the rest of our forces to make sure there isn't any blow back upon the rest of our army. Not to mention the premature detonation that might occur from the Druchi using magic up the one using the vest. If we were to do it we might need a formation where the rest of the flagellants protect the package akin to linebackers protecting a quarterback.
 
Dunno, feels a bit like Charlemagne is on the path to become a potential Everchosen candidate. Doesn't need to be now, but when did Chaos ever care for such paltry concepts as time and human lifespans?

Or demon prince or whatnot.
 
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Massgamer said:
What do people think?
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I like this.

With regard to the flagellants, we already chose to use suicide troops. They were understood to be meat shields. This is just making them more effective.

If this were a greenskin horde, or even beastmen I wouldn't go for it, but these are Druchii. Every unit type has centuries to millennia of experience. For the meat shield to be useful I think this is important. I'm willing to take a hit to our reputation with the context that we are almost alone defending our province while the rest of the empire fucks off to a foreign war. This is no different than giving them a sword. The context is the same and the outcome is the same.
 
taovkool said:
There's some weird metaphysical shit swirling around Roland. There's this thing about the Key and the Gate and that one God of Law in Karak Ungor and all sorts of other stuff. Then this crap with his son.

The Lady's not the only factor in Roland's journey is what I'm trying to say.
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Actually if I remember correctly the Key was removed from Roland post-final battle.

Czes said:
Dunno, feels a bit like Charlemagne is on the path to become a potential Everchosen candidate. Doesn't need to be now, but when did Chaos ever care for such paltry concepts as time and human lifespans?
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This would suck. Like, alot.

But I can see Roland staying alive all that time, Grail Knight or no, just to have the chance to kill his son and end his quest
 
DocMatoi said:
e-hentai
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You've never been on E-Hentai and we both know it.

As for the Flagellant Suicide Bombers? These are honestly surprising. Why did you give us this option @torroar?

And I don't mean this in a moral or ethical way, but in a realism way. See there are some real world equivalents to flagellants and they are not suicide bombers, they are spree killers and pater familicides.

As such I'm honestly weirded out by the fact that we have the option to make flagellant suicide bombers. I'm not sure what to do with it.
 
Massgamer said:
Soup Tank should be major morale boost to Nordlanders since it saved tons of lives during Gruber campaign,
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the reason the soup tank was a mjor morale boos twas because people were actively starving due to tainted food. Shallya willing, thats not the case here, so its not really applicable.
 
Czes said:
Not interested in sending anything to Nordland when we need all hands on deck. Sending away Ostlanders when their home is about to be attacked feels wrong and is also tactically inadvisable.
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Plan involves only sending units that are not even in circulation in armies, the Soup Tank and Ironblaster which are in school as research material as far as I know.
DocMatoi said:
the reason the soup tank was a mjor morale boos twas because people were actively starving due to tainted food. Shallya willing, thats not the case here, so its not really applicable.
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It can still be used as a tank for war, and double its use as a logistic machine to help feed troops and civilians fleeing homes during evacuation.

Veterans of Gruber's rebellion and Stephan certainly will feel better with it by his side I think.
 
The only decent argument I've heard against is that the Druchii might explode them prematurely.

Given that survival might mean being tortured for years by the Druchii, I'm personally in favour of letting Anna outfit those who can't realistically achieve much in combat any other way with explosives.
 
To be completely honest the suicide bomber Flagellants feel like something that only doesn't exist in canon WHFB because GW either didn't think of it/didn't think it would be received all too well at all. Definitely sounds like something someone in universe would've thought up at some point, like Anna has here, even without her particular mindset. Certainly feels fitting for the setting. As such I'm all for it, it's fucked up but it'll definitely be a good punch in the teeth to the Druchii, a race that, imo, is only second to Chaos itself in terms of how much it deserves stabbing and/or exploding, preferably both
 
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On another note it is hard to believe that Roland's son has been on the run for a decade since he looted Krell's shit. If nothing else he is a skilled coward.

Other than helping maybe take in his grandkids I wish we could offer him something else, ideally more people to help in his hunt, but sadly don't see what we could in that department.
 
torroar said:
to visit the heat of the Cult of Shallya,
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heart

torroar said:
Crimson and black armor covered their body, with bat-winged skulls upon the pauldrons and breastplate. A pair of huge horns curved outwards from the sides of the helmet, a thick black crest sprouting from the top of it. A series of spikes protruded along the back of the armor, upon which were many ancient, yellowed skulls. A truly enormous black double-bladed axe was hefted in both hands.
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Look like Krell's armor. Nice find. That was a pretty cool update.

torroar said:
He is desheveled,
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dishevelled

And it's cool to see Roland again!
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
even ignoring the morality of doing it.

I don't think its in anyone's best interest to teach the dark elves, the main users of slave armies and dark magic, about suicide bombing.

long term, that's going to turn around on the empire (and everyone else) in a bad way.
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One thing to note, as stated by Torroar, this is something Druchii already do with their Shackled. Probably just with magic bombs instead of gunpowder, if I'd have to guess, and I feel like we don't have to worry about Druchii suddenly adopting and inventing boomdiscs
 
Im pretty dure they already have suicide bombers, because dark elfs, the issue is if the skaven somehow get to know about it. Because fucking rats.
 
Flagellants are inherently already suicide attackers. They are crazy religious fanatics seeking to die in battle for holy martyrdom, while shouting praises for Sigmar. Standard imperial tactics when using them basically treats them as a living tarpit to pin an enemy force down(while the Flagellants do their best to make the enemy drown in the Flagellants own blood) while the actual Imperial military forces maneuver around for a more advantages position or even flanking attack.

I see no great moral issue in giving them suicide charges, so that they can actually be effective in martyring themselves rather than just as a tarpit that might not even work against the druchii(what with all the monsters and magic and poison weapons). If anything, it would probably result in less Flagellants dying because they now have a more effective way of killing the enemy then drowning them in their own blood.
 
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