Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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I read the above as the trident being swallowed (perhaps because it focused on the Oghams and the Pillar was left on its own) and then shattering. If it separated and THEN shattered as a result, that would have been more clear, I think.
Her enchanted weapons are vulnerable to interference from the Oghams. The pillar is likely the same. Her assistance in either is leading the Blue Wolves against the Fimir defending the places, not the Driarchs themselves. The runefang can directly assist at the Oghams or the Pillar, but we've seen the druids handle the Oghams on their own. The Pillar and the magic around it will be a harder target and probably need all the special help against that sort of thing that can be had. Mena can't directly help with that part. Magnus can.
That's just practical considerations without prophecies entering the picture.
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[X] Plan Lets listen to the Gods
Oracles come because Bad Future happened. No Bad Future, no Oracles. No Oracles, we stay, reclaim Oghams.
So Oracles here? Let's not do old plan. Old plan bad.
Why not split? Big fortress, old fortress- big danger.
Victory big, little dead? People cheer loudly. Victory bad, many of our dead? People don't cheer.
Big cheer- more people come to party. Big party, many men- victory.
Oracles come because Bad Future happened. No Bad Future, no Oracles. No Oracles, we stay, reclaim Oghams.
So Oracles here? Let's not do old plan. Old plan bad.
Why not split? Big fortress, old fortress- big danger.
Victory big, little dead? People cheer loudly. Victory bad, many of our dead? People don't cheer.
Big cheer- more people come to party. Big party, many men- victory.
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[X] Plan Lets listen to the Gods
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I'm not entirely sure I understand the reasoning for not splitting up, and not sure how prophecy implies we have to stick together since from all accounts it sounds like doing so and hitting wrong target is bad idea. Therefore splitting up to cover our bases seem most safe.
[X] Plan Lets listen to the Gods
Which prophecy are you using, the wood elf given one or the Albion given one?
So for clarifications i have the two Prophecies and I'm gonna try to explain why The wood elf one is done
So we had two of the tree members of the trident at Laurelorn
The Horns ( Bull Horns Hohenzollern, Rienhardt's nick name was not yet known to us) Steel ( Ortrud is named as the iron woman), Fist ( Ulric/ Stephan the Unyielding)
Some steel must go, We the steel bull went after Drycha or rode to save Naraiel . Our Great Swords Stayed behind both times. If great-swords followed us to the Capital they would have been killed we were spared for killing Ghorros
"Wood May Rot" Codil or what ever the name of the tree elders name was. It also may have been a Tainted Orion due to the next part "but death may spring anew", Orion is dead a cleansed rebirth, the dark magic taken out of the queen and healing her, Codicel dead and Durthu taking in the last of his power.
"The heart will call. The bull should answer" Our wife told us to bill the bitch, and we answered, or we realized that Drycha had sliped away to the Heart of the Oak of Ancients and we got there just in time to stop her.
"dark wood drinking deep from fire-blood and - Five by five by five by five" these are a lot harder to break down but my interpretation is that all the bloodshed and death ended up strengthening the Wood Elves, specifically that one area that is the Wood Elf battle grounds Wildwoods? not sure
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She had seen a sword with three blades and one hilt. One sword had been made of fire, another made of a metal she had not seen before that was not iron, and the other one of horn. All joined in a hilt soaked in blood and water. A sword that had cut down shadows before shattering apart, swallowed by the shadows that it had sought to destroy.
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So i think that The Three Blades one hilt has two meanings and I am going with the concept of the Trident. the other meaning could be three differing forces, one purpose but the next bit dislodges that.
Fire (mena), non-iron may be standard steel, if orecles have been hiding they may have missed our shipments or Runic blade (Magnus, but his mom is the iron woman so refined son steel? Rienhardt), The horn Rienhardt or Magnus Bulls and Manticore.
"All joined in a hilt soaked in blood and water" What did the kids do Drunk boat trip after huge military campaign.
Now this last bit is the most controversial in our votes. " A sword that had cut down shadows before shattering apart, swallowed by the shadows that it had sought to destroy." So my interpretation is that we have already cut down some shadows, we have 4 Oghams reclaimed, then we scatter and are destroyed.
I started the plan to target The Pillar of Og-Agog , this is not just the meeting grounds for the clans but it is also a holy site. If reclamed it would make it easier to gather more tribes to Mardudd's banner. Now i am willing to go after the southern Oghams to deny the Fimir more dark magic to fuel the up coming ritual. The way i see it if Og-Agog is a holy site it and the Grand Ogham may me key locations to the Ritual.
It comes down to taking a key- and very special site back from the Fimir and letting the ritual get stronger, or work to weaken the ritual and let them strengthen one of the most critical points for uniting the island to an even more difficult hard point
Thanks for reading my ted talk sorry for formating i usually lurk like crazy.
Edit: Final Note
Magnus wants to go after the pillar, Man who just got a 100 on stradegy and tactics.
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[X] Plan Lets listen to the Gods
GhostKing 666
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It is very ironic to hear a half-kislevite think this. Especially when the head priest of the Kislev god of sun and fire is a first cousin of the guy thinking this.
Dazh: "Am I a joke to you?"
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If we leave one of the Albionese forces on their own because we decide to go after one thing, it's likely to end very badly for them without Imperial Reinforcements. Aiding the Matholwyr And Nudd while trying to Retake The Pillar of Og-Agog makes more sense because that improves our chances of overcoming the final push.
Sticking Together to focus on one objective while ignoring the other is really counterproductive.
Sticking Together to focus on one objective while ignoring the other is really counterproductive.
The difference is that Dazh's thing is that he carries His Fire across the heavens, the fire itself being the sun. Thus, Dazh is the God of the Sun. Furthermore, Dazh is Dazh, and is portrayed as a person-ish sort of being, in that he is portrayed in a humanoid manner. That's worshipping a Sun God, yeah?
The Albionese, by contrast, are straight up worshipping the Sun, and calling it Hext.
Close, but dissimilar enough to make Magnus squint. It'd be like worshiping Ghal Maraz, the hammer, instead of Sigmar Heldenhammer himself..
Mostly right. Anchyr is not Xohtl. The highest druid is known as the Xokh, yes, but Anchyr is not a degenerated form of Xhotl. Hinting from the mists, the concealment, and the fact that Skink Priests end up devoting to one God for using the Lore of Shadows, Anchyr is actually just a really degenerated form of Huanchi, the Panther God. Of course, to the Albionese, they are the God of the Mists directly, rather than Panthers. Which, uh, don't exist on Albion.
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I don't know man, that Hammer is cool enough I'm pretty sure it could have done basically anything Sigmar did on its own. That's worthy of worship if I have anything to say about it!
People don't kill people. Hammers do!
GhostKing 666
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So like Söll then, the Wissenland minor god of the sun?
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I've seen a number of people making arguments similar to this. To be clear, the Pillar is not an Ogham at all AFAICT (happy to take clarification/correction from the QM here if necessary), and it certainly is not the Great Ogham. The Great Ogham is elsewhere entirely, inside the main Fimir city in a different part of Albion altogether. So if we take the Pillar but don't reclaim more Oghams, it will not interrupt the flow of Chaos Spheres to the ritual workings around the Great Ogham whatsoever.
Since parsing this has become a point of considerable contention, there's something I want to say. I'm having trouble articulating the grammatical rule that makes this the case, but IIRC a simple comma break like this plus the switch from present to past tense - "shattering" (present tense) to "swallowed" (past tense) - means that the part after the comma is modifying what came before the comma rather than indicating a second separate thing. "Swallowed" is past tense because it is applying to "shattering" - the present comes after the past, so even though "swallowed" is later in the sentence that means that it's modifying "shattering" rather than coming after it sequentially.
You'd need to write the sentence differently if you wanted it to mean a sequential process of a two-step sequence of shattering -> getting swallowed. For instance, "before shattering apart, then being swallowed by the shadows" would work for that. Notice how in my counterfactual example of "before shattering apart, then being swallowed by the shadows" I had to switch to "being swallowed" ("being" is present tense) to make it parse. If it was "before shattering apart, then swallowed by the shadows" it would be a tense agreement error.
And before anyone says "yeah, but the Albionese are obviously not following grammatical rules," this is not a quote of Albionese dialogue. This is Magnus's POV summarizing the translation of the prophecy in his own words.
That doesn't inherently guarantee that splitting our forces will work, of course, but I hope it should make it clear that the prophecy is not warning us against doing so.
This is potentially a good point. However, so far the Fimir have shown a pretty high level of willingness to come out of their castles to brawl. If we take the opportunity to hit them before they figure out what's been happening to their southern Oghams, then it should be feasible to bait them out again and then savage them with cavalry, which Mena would excel at doing.
[X] Plan Divide and Conquer, Play to Strengths
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I assume its cause she unlike the others decided to go out rather than hide, if more of them left would have bigger detail.
Makes sense and real cool. Neat I got most right too!
Thanks for info and I get it now, even if I don't totally agree with reasoning in general.
Mmmm...sorta?
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Assuming everything goes well I would not be opposed to helping take back the Great Ogham if that is an option, and by all accounts it has to be since breaking out of Mists are currently impossible/super unsafe to do. The Fimir are up to some shit and that shit is effecting us, therefore they have to die.
I do hope reclaiming pillar brings in more than just human clans to help as well since could use more druids or maybe even the giants.
I do hope reclaiming pillar brings in more than just human clans to help as well since could use more druids or maybe even the giants.
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No, he was agreeing with her that the Fimir are going to notice that we've been hitting them:
"Either way" is not a man who agrees with one of those two tacks over the other yet. The quote shows Magnus agreeing with Aberfa on the reality that the Fimir will catch on to what we've been doing, not necessarily on anything else.