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Reader of all · Mar 16, 2021

I think the forces should stay together and not split up The Pillar of Og-Agog is the rallying point of all the tribes taking that and having an oracle as well will make the other tribes flock to the Trident's banner from that point we can then use a united albion to fight the Fimir. Seeing as how despite the fact that even with the better equipment of the imperials the humans still took casualties attacking newly formed castles, taking an entrenched position will require all of the imperial forces.

Crafter of War · Mar 16, 2021

Aiel said:
So not just in time then Literally last possible moment. And the ritual will most likely change the Island, the one that is responsible for archoring 20-30% of chaos every year for the last way 8000, and unleash it on the world

Tzeentch: "Finally! After all this time and effort, I can finally one-up the rest so much, they would never get ahead of me again!"
*Magnus shows up*
Tzeentch: "Ah, fuck. Okay, I can salvage this."

Weirdo · Mar 16, 2021

Reader of all said:
I think the forces should stay together and not split up The Pillar of Og-Agog is the rallying point of all the tribes taking that and having an oracle as well will make the other tribes flock to the Trident's banner from that point we can then use a united albion to fight the Fimir. Seeing as how despite the fact that even with the better equipment of the imperials the humans still took casualties attacking newly formed castles, taking an entrenched position will require all of the imperial forces.

Look at the prophesy though from this chapter, we need to move faster than concentrating out forces will allow, otherwise the darkness swallows the 3 heirs

Reader of all · Mar 16, 2021

Weirdo said:
Look at the prophesy though from this chapter, we need to move faster than concentrating out forces will allow, otherwise the darkness swallows the 3 heirs

The more stock you take into prophecy the less logical of a decision you will make I for one choose to do what I feel is the most prudent action also that is your interpretation of the prophecy there could be other interpretations.

Weirdo · Mar 16, 2021

Reader of all said:
The more stock you take into prophecy the less logical of a decision you will make I for one choose to do what I feel is the most prudent action also that is your interpretation of the prophecy there could be other interpretations.

In a fantasy universe, I think we should take the words of an oracle somewhat seriously, if you have another interpretation of the prophesy though I'd love to hear it

Khepri14 · Mar 16, 2021

...I really really really hate prophecies. Damned if you listen, damned if you don't. Because either way, if it's true, prophecy screws you over.

Ugh. Looks like we need to split the party and that goes against adventuring rule #1: Never split the party. Fucking prophecy.

Miffychan · Mar 16, 2021

Khepri14 said:
...I really really really hate prophecies. Damned if you listen, damned if you don't. Because either way, if it's true, prophecy screws you over.

Ugh. Looks like we need to split the party and that goes against adventuring rule #1: Never split the party. Fucking prophecy.

Prophecies are, in many ways, like a Nuln noblewoman. They can twist and contrive themselves into all manner of position if you encourage them enough.

Vodkasheep · Mar 16, 2021

Reader of all said:
The more stock you take into prophecy the less logical of a decision you will make I for one choose to do what I feel is the most prudent action also that is your interpretation of the prophecy there could be other interpretations.

One of the biggest tropes of morai-heg prophecies is people being led to their doom by misinterperting them. Using the druids prophecy of a possible but pertinent future? Sure. Using the other one on something is a stretch, specifically when we had an interlude where morai-heg played a card in athel lauron. I honestly don't see why it's getting so much traction.

Reader of all · Mar 16, 2021

Weirdo said:
In a fantasy universe, I think we should take the words of an oracle somewhat seriously, if you have another interpretation of the prophesy though I'd love to hear it

The three headed sword is already slicing and driving away the darkness but once it is shattered (broken up) then it will be swallowed up by darkness therefore we should not split the party. Another thing is the whole the sword does not cut where it should meaning if we were to continue with Mardud's plan of helping out the southern tribes first the Fimir will hear of it and it will be a lot more difficult to mount an offensive. Of course those are just interpretations that support my argument but when it comes to prophecies a rule I have is to ignore them and focus on the solid facts and right now here are the factors in play:

1. The Combined might of the imperial forces and Mardudd's tribe have retaken all the nearby Oghams
2. Mardudd wants to help out his neighbors then mount an offensive to the pillar while his daughter wants to attack the pillar immediately
3. The pillar is the central rallying point of all the tribes of albion so taking it is a major prestige boost but it is heavily fortified

Right now helping out Marddud's neighbors will just tip the fimir off more and will give them a chance to better reinforce the pillar right now the imperials are still an unknown element and I feel we need to strike while the hammer is hot and unite the tribes.

Marlin · Mar 16, 2021

Khepri14 said:
...I really really really hate prophecies. Damned if you listen, damned if you don't. Because either way, if it's true, prophecy screws you over.

Ugh. Looks like we need to split the party and that goes against adventuring rule #1: Never split the party. Fucking prophecy.

We already split the party. When we retook the oghams, the allocation was Magnus on Oghams, with Reinhardt and Mena on the fimir castles.

We may be splitting the party again. With Mena going off on another objective, while Magnus and Reinhardt do separate things in reclaiming the Oghams.

If we split, I wonder who`ll be in command of the albionese in taking the fimir castles? Mardudd`s daughter won`t be likely.

Reader of all · Mar 16, 2021

Marlin said:
We already split the party. When we retook the oghams, the allocation was Magnus on Oghams, with Reinhardt and Mena on the fimir castles.

We may be splitting the party again. With Mena going off on another objective, while Magnus and Reinhardt do separate things in reclaiming the Oghams.

If we split, I wonder who`ll be in command of the albionese in taking the fimir castles? Mardudd`s daughter won`t be likely.

That is not the same though the party was split but they were all fighting in the same general battlefield this time this calls for splitting up the army and fighting a war on two fronts.

Orkus Majorkus · Mar 16, 2021

Well shit!

Marlin · Mar 16, 2021

Reader of all said:
That is not the same though the party was split but they were all fighting in the same general battlefield this time this calls for splitting up the army and fighting a war on two fronts.

It counts, the battle against Zacharias in the tower had a party split occur and it was on the same general battlefield.

This campaign reminds me of the fight in Nordland, the time crunch aspect. And how Freddy took the slow route, going one by one to his objectives. Here, Magnus can split his troops into different directions for different objectives. Kinda risky, but if successful, highly rewarding. Probably need the objectives completed right now. As delays to attack the fimir city mean the fimir advance on the important Great Ogham.

Reader of all · Mar 16, 2021

Marlin said:
It counts, the battle against Zacharias in the tower had a party split occur and it was on the same general battlefield.

This campaign reminds me of the fight in Nordland, the time crunch aspect. And how Freddy took the slow route, going one by one to his objectives. Here, Magnus can split his troops into different directions for different objectives. Risky, but if successful, highly rewarding. Probably need it too. As delays to attack the fimir city mean the fimir advance on the important Great Ogham.

We simply do not have sufficient numbers to both help the other southern tribes and take the pillar at the same time at most we can send Mardud a jade wizard but the forces are already taking casualties from fighting Fimir when they are still setting up just imagine what will happen if we split the army and attack a castle that has been held for decades.

Valerian · Mar 16, 2021

Marlin said:
It counts, the battle against Zacharias in the tower had a party split occur and it was on the same general battlefield.

This campaign reminds me of the fight in Nordland, the time crunch aspect. And how Freddy took the slow route, going one by one to his objectives. Here, Magnus can split his troops into different directions for different objectives. Kinda risky, but if successful, highly rewarding. Probably need the objectives completed right now. As delays to attack the fimir city mean the fimir advance on the important Great Ogham.

The city was built at the Great Ogham. They have been sitting on it for a century.

Orkus Majorkus · Mar 16, 2021

Crafter of War said:
Tzeentch: "Finally! After all this time and effort, I can finally one-up the rest so much, they would never get ahead of me again!"
*Magnus shows up*
Tzeentch: "Ah, fuck. Okay, I can salvage this."

"Khorne, what the fuck you were supposed to take that line out in Ungor!"

"Look I tried! Have you ever tried to kill those Trident assholes? It's hard! U'zhul still won't come out of their room. I didn't see the Changling making good on their shot!"

"Speak for yourself, I took over Nordland and killed a Hertwig"

"Shut up, Nurgle!" "Shut up, Nurgle!"

Aiel · Mar 16, 2021

Orkus Majorkus said:
"Khorne, what the fuck you were supposed to take that line out in Ungor!"

"Look I tried! Have you ever tried to kill those Trident assholes? It's hard! U'zhul still won't come out of their room. I didn't see the Changling making good on their shot!"

"Speak for yourself, I took over Nordland and killed a Hertwig"

"Shut up, Nurgle!" "Shut up, Nurgle!"

And what happened after that Nurgle. That's right your newest Deamon Prince died literally less than a few purs after ascension.

Marlin · Mar 16, 2021

Reader of all said:
We simply do not have sufficient numbers to both help the other southern tribes and take the pillar at the same time at most we can send Mardud a jade wizard but the forces are already taking casualties from fighting Fimir when they are still setting up just imagine what will happen if we split the army and attack a castle that has been held for decades.

We have sufficient numbers to do both. We need multiple high rolls to succeed, but our numbers are good enough to get the ball rolling for both. The Oghams are going to have recruitable units from the other tribes, so them having low numbers is not a massive immediate fail, so long as the first oghams are retaken with minimum losses. The weak point is the Pillar, however MAGIC is a multiplier, and The Albionese are not under PLAYER CONTROL.

The Oracle and her units are not under Player Control, no telling where she goes though.

The party is getting split, because the Albionese are divided among themselves in our party. There is a CHANCE that the Albionese will split up by themselves. Mardudd will take Albionese on his own to go after the Oghams. Dividing the Albionese supporting the recapture of the Pillar and thus the Albionese support will be divided anyway!

The Albionese have 3120 troops in total + 6 Druids + 2 Named Heroes (UNRELIABLE SUPPORT for the single empire push)
Mass's plan
Empire has 1650 cavalry + 7 magicals + 1 Hero Unit go after Pillar
Empire has 873 elite infantry + 4 magical + 2 Hero Units go after Oghams

Valerian said:
The city was built at the Great Ogham. They have been sitting on it for a century.

What is your point? That just means the fimir are more likely to completely take the Great Ogham for their usage/objective/ritual right now, if they haven't controlled it yet. Fimir have had years of the oghams building up magic storage canisters to break the Great Ogham or something. Any delays will allow the Fimir at the fimir City to complete that desecration of the Great Ogham.

Are you trying to say that the players should take all the time in the world to allow the fimir to desecrate the Great Ogham. That any speed will not matter when the Great Ogham has been in the hands of the fimir for near a century already.

Reader of all · Mar 16, 2021

Marlin said:
We have sufficient numbers to do both. We need multiple high rolls to succeed, but our numbers are good enough to get the ball rolling for both. The Oghams are going to have recruitable units from the other tribes, so them having low numbers is not a massive immediate fail, so long as the first oghams are retaken with minimum losses. The weak point is the Pillar, however MAGIC is a multiplier, and The Albionese are not under PLAYER CONTROL.

The party is getting split, because the Albionese are divided among themselves in our party. There is a CHANCE that the Albionese will split up by themselves. Mardudd will take Albionese on his own to go after the Oghams. Dividing the Albionese supporting the recapture of the Pillar and thus the Albionese support will be divided anyway!

The Albionese have 3120 troops in total + 6 Druids + 2 Named Heroes (UNRELIABLE SUPPORT for the single empire push)
Mass's plan
Empire has 1650 cavalry + 7 magicals + 1 Hero Unit go after Pillar
Empire has 873 elite infantry + 4 magical + 2 Hero Units go after Oghams

Helping out Mardudd's neighbors will not really get us a ton of benefits when compared to taking the pillar and the suggested plan is backwards why are you putting more heroes on the oghams than the pillar when the pillar is harder to hit also magic is unreliable in albion we got lucky with the jade mages but we should not expect them to always work.

Marlin · Mar 16, 2021

Reader of all said:
Helping out Mardudd's neighbors will not really get us a ton of benefits when compared to taking the pillar and the suggested plan is backwards why are you putting more heroes on the oghams than the pillar when the pillar is harder to hit also magic is unreliable in albion we got lucky with the jade mages but we should not expect them to always work.

Putting more hero units on the smaller group, because that group is smaller, and Magnus cannot command the troops if he goes after the Oghams.

Helping the neighbors, gives us the oghams. We need the oghams reclaimed, all of them. We do not need to march on the fimir city and ignore the oghams still in fimir hands because we are short on time when the march on the fimir city happens. The oghams have magic power marbles the fimir in the fimir city can use for themselves, we need that gone for when the city raid happens, so the fimir do not get reinforcments.

Reader of all · Mar 16, 2021

Marlin said:
Putting more hero units on the smaller group, because that group is smaller, and Magnus cannot command the troops if he goes after the Oghams.

Helping the neighbors, gives us the oghams. We need the oghams reclaimed, all of them. We do not need to march on the fimir city and ignore the oghams still in fimir hands because we are short on time when the march on the fimir city happens. The oghams have magic power marbles the fimir in the fimir city can use for themselves, we need that gone for when the city raid happens, so the fimir do not get reinforcments.

Retaking the pillar will get us more troops that we can use to retake the other oghams and no we do not need to reclaim all the oghams we need to secure the main ogham which means mustering as much of a force as possible.

Marlin · Mar 16, 2021

Reader of all said:
Retaking the pillar will get us more troops that we can use to retake the other oghams and no we do not need to reclaim all the oghams we need to secure the main ogham which means mustering as much of a force as possible.

Aiding the neighbors gets us more troops we can use to retake the oghams without delays and attrition from the more troops, that MAY NOT EXIST, after retaking the pillar and other oghams before moving onto the fimir city.

You are saying "Retaking the pillar will get us more troops that we can use to retake the other oghams" and "no we do not need to reclaim all the oghams we need to secure the main ogham which means mustering as much of a force as possible." Which is the future plan? Do not retake the oghams, leaving a power supply for the fimir and possibly accelerating the fimir plans for the Great Ogham. Or retake the oghams? Draw in fimir attention, lead fimir away from the Great Ogham, possibly delay the fimir's plans with the Great Ogham as the power supply for the fimir is taken away from fimir hands.

Valerian · Mar 16, 2021

Marlin said:
Are you trying to say that the players should take all the time in the world to allow the fimir to desecrate the Great Ogham. That any speed will not matter when the Great Ogham has been in the hands of the fimir for near a century already.

The opposite, they are already there and likely prepping a ritual, we have less time than we think, not more.

Vodkasheep · Mar 16, 2021

Marlin said:
Aiding the neighbors gets us more troops we can use to retake the oghams without delays and attrition from the more troops, that MAY NOT EXIST, after retaking the pillar and other oghams before moving onto the fimir city.

You are saying "Retaking the pillar will get us more troops that we can use to retake the other oghams" and "no we do not need to reclaim all the oghams we need to secure the main ogham which means mustering as much of a force as possible." Which is the future plan? Do not retake the oghams, leaving a power supply for the fimir and possibly accelerating the fimir plans for the Great Ogham. Or retake the oghams? Draw in fimir attention, lead fimir away from the Great Ogham, possibly delay the fimir's plans with the Great Ogham as the power supply for the fimir is taken away from fimir hands.

We are being hammered with information about the chaos orbs, how they freak the druids out, how the chaos orbs storage slots are empty and have been moved already, and finally how their using them to break the great pillar. In light of this you hammering how they have had it for a century and can wait isn't very convincing. I foresee a nordland situation where us taking our time in the woods gave grubber time to sacrifice the capital. Taking the pillar first is essentially frontloading the risk since it would be a harder fight once knowledge of our forces leaks and removing the chance for permanent long term consequences.

Restalaan · Mar 16, 2021

Prophecy aside, it is really darn risky splitting up forces.

Concentrating our forces is necessary, more so if the pillars are heavily fortified.

Sure the rewards if the team split up to do both task is highly rewarded but so is the risk.

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