Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Qeqre said:
Kislev also used to raid the Empire for slaves and was founded when the Gospodars conquered Imperial clay.
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Technically speaking, the Gospodar didn't fight the Imperials, that was the Ungols some generations earlier.


torroar said:
The overall desolution of the Empire increased rapidly in pace as a result, with Count Dominik von Hohenzollern finally surrendering the Ostland colonies within Kislev as the Ungols fought harder than ever to reclaim their lands. Instead, those forces were recalled to protect Ostland against a Talabheim-aligned Hochland and Talabecland itself.
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[X] A Quieter Approach: Let her send her messengers, speak with Stephan, and the two of you can review her proposals at the Trident Meeting with Ortrud. Simply reviewing paperwork and messages is nothing new there. Far less likely to alarm anyone else. This doesn't have to be as quick as possible, after all, elven lives are long, are they not? It would give you time to get Ortud and possibly others more used to the idea.
 
Mopman43 said:
Technically speaking, the Gospodar didn't fight the Imperials, that was the Ungols some generations earlier.
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torroar said:
In the year 1547 IC, unification would be attempted by the Grand Duke Heinrich of Middenland. Reasoning that he possessed the votes, he attempted to bring an end to the fighting, only to find that the provinces loyal to Talabheim and Nuln quite disagreed with him. Wulfenburg would support the Grand Duke against Emperor Frederik V, of Talabheim and Emperor Eldred of Nuln, mostly due to the fact that unlike the latter two Middenland had not been responsible for any raids into Ostlander territory for at least two whole generations. Infuriated at the results, enforced with crossbows pointed at his person, within the year Grand Duke Heinrich had proclaimed himself Emperor Heinrich of Middenheim. The overall desolution of the Empire increased rapidly in pace as a result, with Count Dominik von Hohenzollern finally surrendering the Ostland colonies within Kislev as the Ungols fought harder than ever to reclaim their lands. Instead, those forces were recalled to protect Ostland against a Talabheim-aligned Hochland and Talabecland itself.
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In OTL, the Khan-Queen Miska led the Gospodar through the High Pass in 1494 IC. With the Gospodar conquering Erengrad in 1527 IC.

Ostland pulling out of Kislev to focus on Talabecland some 20 years after the Gospodar conquer Erengrad(and the Ungols continuing to fight) does not mean the Gospodar did not fight the Imperials.
 
TheDuke said:
We really ought to just get around to krumping him, at this point. We've put up with his passive aggressive needling bullshit and his ridiculous inferiority-complex fueled, Elector-county sized ego for long enough, if you ask me.
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Eh. He's not our greatest concern at the moment. He wasn't one of the ringleaders of the "fuck the trident" plan during the Elector's Meet, he just went along with it.

I'm not positive what he's actually done against us since the whole Middle Mountains issue was settled.


I'm content with not poking the bear (or wolf, as the case may be).
 
Massgamer said:
Can I just say how much I love the relationship between Freddy and Eldyra. The poor girl has been without a father figure for so long and Freddy instinctively steps in.

Glad that they are certain to meet up again soon once Everqueen is rested up and returns to talk to the Wood Elves. Hope they meet each other at least somewhat regularly after that.

Freddy might only be around in Eldrya's life for a short time, but I have a feeling it will leave a big impact for her. I hope she meets rest of family so maybe she can befriend the whole bloodline! That way there is a piece of Freddy she can always talk to in his descendants.
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Freddy on Eldyra

Eldyra on Freddy
 
Mopman43 said:
Eh. He's not our greatest concern at the moment. He wasn't one of the ringleaders of the "fuck the trident" plan during the Elector's Meet, he just went along with it.

I'm not positive what he's actually done against us since the whole Middle Mountains issue was settled.


I'm content with not poking the bear (or wolf, as the case may be).
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I guess? But honestly, from what Magnus said, kicking his ass in a fight would resolve our issues with him, not exacerbate them. Getting bloody sick of him jumping on any bandwagon that shows up in opposition (Marienburg and the Moot's plot) to us and second guessing every statement or suggestion we bring up at the Elector Meets (This dude really out here calling us a chicken for being concerned about Malagor the gods damned Dark Omen skulking around and plotting something?). I just want to pick the fight and be done with it, so there isn't any stupid friction on his part the next time we have to participate in a campaign together.
 
TheDuke said:
But honestly, from what Magnus said, kicking his ass in a fight would resolve our issues with him, not exacerbate them.
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There's more than one dimension to the politics of it, though.

We go there, we (probably) kick his ass, he's Ulrican enough to accept it, that's fine.

Every other elector hears that Fredderick von Hohenzollern, northern firebrand, walked into Middenland, laid down the gauntlet, and beat Gunthar to a pulp. Most of them aren't Ulrican, and so won't understand the subtle cultural nuances at play here.


I'm just saying there could be ramifications beyond the immediate.
 
Mopman43 said:
There's more than one dimension to the politics of it, though.

We go there, we (probably) kick his ass, he's Ulrican enough to accept it, that's fine.

Every other elector hears that Fredderick von Hohenzollern, northern firebrand, walked into Middenland, laid down the gauntlet, and beat Gunthar to a pulp. Most of them aren't Ulrican, and so won't understand the subtle cultural nuances at play here.


I'm just saying there could be ramifications beyond the immediate.
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At this point? Who gives a shit?

They'll bitch at us regardless, this just means they try to tarnish our reputation, and takes away from the plotting against us economically and militarily.

Plus if we show up and the visible enmity between us is gone, then they have one less pillar of support and avenue of attack.
 
[X] A Quieter Approach: Let her send her messengers, speak with Stephan, and the two of you can review her proposals at the Trident Meeting with Ortrud. Simply reviewing paperwork and messages is nothing new there. Far less likely to alarm anyone else. This doesn't have to be as quick as possible, after all, elven lives are long, are they not? It would give you time to get Ortud and possibly others more used to the idea.
 
you know, its a good thing Tyrion didn't get to interact more with the blue wolfs...

if Tyrion in this quest is anything like the books he would start to get way, way, way too comfortable interacting with them and the cult of Ulric. an entire culture that is happy to accept what he in his heart believes.

He is the mightiest, most skilled and strongest: so his will is right.

if any elf could get tempted by a human god, its Tyrion getting tempted by Ulric. (or at least to make use of Ulric's followers.)

because Ulric will tell him what he wants to hear, that it's his right to take the things he wants.

a whole religion he could strong-arm many of its followers to follow his every word, into every battle. and they will love him for it.

lets hope he never realises.
 
[X] A Quieter Approach: Let her send her messengers, speak with Stephan, and the two of you can review her proposals at the Trident Meeting with Ortrud. Simply reviewing paperwork and messages is nothing new there. Far less likely to alarm anyone else. This doesn't have to be as quick as possible, after all, elven lives are long, are they not? It would give you time to get Ortud and possibly others more used to the idea.
 
Mopman43 said:
Again, me.


We have a few committed enemies among the rest of the electors, but not all of them are. I'd prefer to avoid any potential minefields.
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I think the fact that Gunther literally leapt across a table at us in the middle of an Elector's Meet means that us throwing down the gauntlet with him is going to surprise or disappoint precisely no one. I would've been worried about Magnus being disappointed, but he was literally the one who suggested it to us, so I mean...

Edit: Also, I don't think anyone would particularly begrudge us settling things with an Ulrican Elector Count in Ulrican fashion.
 
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[X] A Quieter Approach: Let her send her messengers, speak with Stephan, and the two of you can review her proposals at the Trident Meeting with Ortrud. Simply reviewing paperwork and messages is nothing new there. Far less likely to alarm anyone else. This doesn't have to be as quick as possible, after all, elven lives are long, are they not? It would give you time to get Ortud and possibly others more used to the idea.
 
[X] A Quieter Approach: Let her send her messengers, speak with Stephan, and the two of you can review her proposals at the Trident Meeting with Ortrud. Simply reviewing paperwork and messages is nothing new there. Far less likely to alarm anyone else. This doesn't have to be as quick as possible, after all, elven lives are long, are they not? It would give you time to get Ortud and possibly others more used to the idea.
 
TheDuke said:
I think the fact that Gunther literally leapt across a table at us in the middle of an Elector's Meet means that us throwing down the gauntlet with him is going to surprise or disappoint precisely no one. I would've been worried about Magnus being disappointed, but he was literally the one who suggested it to us, so I mean...
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We dropped to a 7 with Magnus after that. It went back up, but that wasn't how he wanted that throw down to go, all in public with us bringing up the touchy subject in the first place in front of god an everyone. It was supposed to be a personal reconciliation between the two electors, not a public one where we decide territorial disputes via fist fight.
 
[X] A Quieter Approach: Let her send her messengers, speak with Stephan, and the two of you can review her proposals at the Trident Meeting with Ortrud. Simply reviewing paperwork and messages is nothing new there. Far less likely to alarm anyone else. This doesn't have to be as quick as possible, after all, elven lives are long, are they not? It would give you time to get Ortud and possibly others more used to the idea.
 
Orkus Majorkus said:
We dropped to a 7 with Magnus after that. It went back up, but that wasn't how he wanted that throw down to go, all in public with us bringing up the touchy subject in the first place in front of god an everyone. It was supposed to be a personal reconciliation between the two electors, not a public one where we decide territorial disputes via fist fight.
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I'm aware. It's why I'd rather we'd just get it settled sooner rather then later, instead of waiting for tempers to flare at some future Elector's Meet and causing Magnus to become disappointed with us again.
 
[X] A Quieter Approach: Let her send her messengers, speak with Stephan, and the two of you can review her proposals at the Trident Meeting with Ortrud. Simply reviewing paperwork and messages is nothing new there. Far less likely to alarm anyone else. This doesn't have to be as quick as possible, after all, elven lives are long, are they not? It would give you time to get Ortud and possibly others more used to the idea.

I am curious how negatively the dwarfs would take this in general. I mean, they don't seem to dislike Magnus for dealing with the High Elves as far as I know, nor do they hate us for making money off of them.

Maybe as long treating the Wood Elves doesn't effect them at all they won't care about it other than grumble a lot.
 
Massgamer said:
Maybe as long treating the Wood Elves doesn't effect them at all they won't care about it other than grumble a lot.
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Well, for whatever it's worth, I'd imagine there's... limited Grudges against the Laurelorn elves specifically. Dwarfs haven't inhabited the Middle Mountains in ages, so the closest thing to a Dwarfhold anywhere near Laurelorn is the Ulricsberg.

Compared to Athel Loren, which sees a decent amount of violence between it and the neighboring holds.

Hangwind said:
Point of order: Magnus is really leery of our chances of winning said fight.
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It wasn't really the important part of the post.

For whatever it's worth, Magnus also hasn't seen us fight since... Zacharias? So, 24 years ago.
 
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