Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Pretty sure They Rested won.

I'm not happy about it, and I'd love for it not to be the case, but I'm pretty sure it won by a lot.
 
Btw where is it stated or hinted that Empire currently have about 40,000 troops left? i know the orcs have 20,000 left cause it was stated by torroar in the narrative.
 
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torroar said:
comparatively good shape.

Also, vote locked. Tally?
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[x] They Pursued: Despite the exhaustion and casualties afflicting every single member of the Empire's armies and their allies at that moment, they attempted to bring the Giant and its passengers down. Despite the Bonegrinder, they had to try.
No. of votes: 9
notanautomaton, Arbit, King Arthur, Erandil, avatar11792, rx915, Molyneux, paintedspear, Alratan

[X] They Rested
No. of votes: 19
ReaperofInterest, DragonParadox, rex754, The Laurent, Aranfan, Qazplm, tenchifew, aceraptor, okais, Qeqre, Beyogi, Derekc2, Derek58, SirHades2.0, NotAlwaysFanfic, Varano, jgalue1, skaro, ebolasos

[X] They Rested: After so much damage, the people of the Empire needed rest. Exhaustion and wounds afflicted many, and they could prepare to face the danger of Gorebash in the future. To face a Bonegrinder in their state was foolhardy.
No. of votes: 22
jwolfe_beta, Jokarun, prince84, Necron_Lord, SlyOverlord, Hangwind, veekie, overmind, Sage_Of_Eyes, MagusBlack, Dutch, dacsan, Hazardine, Alectai, Vanestus, Chimeraguard, Massgamer, Yun, Night_stalker, Happerry, Serous, Evaunit02mark1

[X] They Pursued
No. of votes: 1
Xantalos

They Rested by a huge margin.
 
Imperial army started with 120000.

If we split it to be roughly 17143 each, then we get:

Army of Ostland/Army of the Forest/Nordland and Ostermark Detachments (65%)=11,143
Army of Reikland - Count Present (20%)=3428
Army of Stirland - Count Present (30%)=5142
Army of Averland - Count Present (15 %)=2571
Army of Middenland - Count Present (35%)=6000
Army of Talabecland - Count Present (50%)=8571
Army of Nuln - Count Present (10%)=1714

Total: 38569

All of whom are exhausted, with their greatest advantage of the huge artillery batteries of Nuln not in play if we are to pursue.
 
Not to mention the Emperor likely isn't going to be able to help and all the mages are wiped out.

The orcs on the other hand still have the bonegrinder, shaman etc and they aren't tired.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
Not to mention the Emperor likely isn't going to be able to help and all the mages are wiped out.

The orcs on the other hand still have the bonegrinder, shaman etc and they aren't tired.
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Greenskins never tire and if we persue they may just get right back into the fight with joy. They also might have an idol left along with the Bonegrider will destroy infantry with them in such low numbers.

We rest now and years down the line when/if the WAAAGH returns the empire will have gotten much stronger and unified again so we can handle it.
 
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okais said:
  • Unless stated otherwise Magnus can be considered out of commission as he was last seen taken back to Nuln for healing and assuming that the Throgar was not a weakling, the exhaustion isn't going to be gone in a snap of magic like the wounds.
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The greenskins found the fight turning against them for the first time since they arrived, as a man wielding a golden hammer and blazing with holy light layered onto him by five separate Warrior Priests rode out of the Gates of Nuln

if that's not magnus I will eat my hat.
 
Derek58 said:
Letting them go gives us that much more time to improve ourselves and the rest of the Empire, and there's also a chance that the orcs will get distracted by some other enemy. As for Magnus, even with healing he's nowhere near 100%, and Teclis's ritual probably took a lot out of him.
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What does having time to improve ourselves have to do with giving chase? How many turns, men and money are we going to have to use when he comes back?
okais said:
  • Unless stated otherwise Magnus can be considered out of commission as he was last seen taken back to Nuln for healing and assuming that the Throgar was not a weakling, the exhaustion isn't going to be gone in a snap of magic like the wounds.
  • Nordland, Ostland and Ostermark coalition and Talabecland is the only one with decent condition to even attempt to give chased. All other armies are mauled pretty badly. Our Coalition leader Fred is in no condition to fight anytime soon either.
  • Cannons take time to set up and aim to fire. Chasing after the orks are not going give them the time needed if orcs decide to turn around and stomp the army chasing them.
  • Teclis and Finreir are the only magic casters we have to handle the orc shaman and they are not in prime condition either.
  • Who gonna be leading the army actually if we are going give chase?
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Magnus came out in the end. So it was stated that he is back on the battlefield. Teclis and Finreir ARE archmages and a loremaster and they are both in good shape. They are in fairly prime condition as can be expected and could slap some two bit orc shaman through a wall. There are also many other mages present. Isn't there a reason that we like thunderers so much and ogres so much. They have the big guns and help move the artillery into place making getting everything moving easy.
okais said:
Btw where is it stated or hinted that Empire currently have about 40,000 troops left? i know the orcs have 20,000 left cause it was stated by torroar in the narrative.
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We started with 120,000 soldiers and have lost about 2/3 of the army, so 40,000 ish. So we have double the enemy numbers, artillery and better ranged units then the enemy.
 
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I missed that bit about Magnus rejoining the fight. Since my main reason to rest was cause there was no proper Leader that everyone would listen and obey without any issue.
 
Molyneux said:
What does having time to improve ourselves have to do with giving chase? How many turns, men and money are we going to have to use when he comes back?
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...our technology and army will be in better shape next time compared to now. Just next turn we'll be getting grape shot for our cannons, which will be absolutely devastating against Greenskins. And our School will continue improving gun and engineering technology.
 
Derek58 said:
...our technology and army will be in better shape next time compared to now. Just next turn we'll be getting grape shot for our cannons, which will be absolutely devastating against Greenskins. And our School will continue improving gun and engineering technology.
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Again, what does that have to do with the current situation? Of course everything will be upgraded in time, but what does that have to do here? This is about getting this threat before he can come back later. This is about dealing with a threat while we have the chance, instead of leaving it to grow and fester. There is also the further destruction that they will cause thanks to us leaving them to go off and do whatever they like. If the argument is that we will be stronger in the future, then I agree, but this situation has nothing to do with biding out time. The losses we will incur in the future should be vastly larger then what we would if we fought them now.
 
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Gaminglord99 said:
one day i hope for a orc that realizes other Destro factions give better fights than order. Chaos wastes Filled with MILLIONS of Chaos warriors, skaven take 2 years to repopulate, spiky twigglys? lovely sound when ya KRUMP EM!!! if orcs want a REAL fight of there lives thay should go after them
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Because that is not Grimdark enough.
 
Molyneux said:
Again, what does that have to do with the current situation? Of course everything will be upgraded in time, but what does that have to do here? This is about getting this threat before he can come back later. This is about dealing with a threat while we have the chance, instead of leaving it to grow and fester. There is also the further destruction that they will cause thanks to us leaving them to go off and do whatever they like.
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There's no point in debating this further, the vote is closed.
 
Molyneux said:
We started with 120,000 soldiers and have lost about 2/3 of the army, so 40,000 ish. So we have double the enemy numbers, artillery and better ranged units then the enemy.
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We don't really have artillery. The cannons are too slow to be good in a chase and the Thunderbringers are out of dakka. Our Wizards are too exhausted to cast anything left, one of our Archmages is down for months, the other two are tired, but could pull out more performance if we want to knock them out for a long time too. 1 runefang is too wounded to fight and another is very dead. Magnus is injured, but still fighting capable.
 
wingstrike96 said:
We don't really have artillery. The cannons are too slow to be good in a chase and the Thunderbringers are out of dakka. Our Wizards are too exhausted to cast anything left, one of our Archmages is down for months, the other two are tired, but could pull out more performance if we want to knock them out for a long time too. 1 runefang is too wounded to fight and another is very dead. Magnus is injured, but still fighting capable.
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We have plenty of artillery and the thunderbringers use the same ammo as the cannons. We also happen to be outside Nuln who can easily provide them with more ammo. The human wizards aren't exhausted and there are the two extremely powerful elves there who can certainly help out. Its not just this though, we outnumber them and can finish this here and now. The vote has been closed, but I cannot help but think that it was the wrong call and it'll only cost us more later then what we would loose here if we had fought.
 
Yeah.. letting Gorebash- clearly one of the smarter orkbosses- escape into the Badlands, home of millions of (Black) Orks will in no way come back to bite us or the dwarves...

And I would really love to hear how you plan to redirect him to Naggoroth considering it is one another continent..
 
Maybe send an expedition or start a crusade into the Badlands? Thorgar did go there to collect and sacrifice the skulls of many a greenskin there so it'll take a while for the orcs there to recover.
 
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rx915 said:
Maybe send an expedition or start a crusade into the Badlands? Thorgar did go there to collect and sacrifice the skulls of many a greenskin there so it'll take a while for the orcs there to recover.
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a) That decision is no longer ours to make and I really guess that Magnus will want to focus on rebuilding his southern provinces before going on yet another crusade.

b) There are still masses of Orks located in the Badlands or the territories around it. And with no clear distribution of power it will come to fights between the various warbands -> resulting in even more orks deciding to join the fight -> cue Gorebash and his horde meeting the dieal breeding ground for yet another waagh.

Maybe we get lucky and he decides to conquer Arabia or Etalia first...
 
Erandil said:
b) There are still masses of Orks located in the Badlands or the territories around it. And with no clear distribution of power it will come to fights between the various warbands -> resulting in even more orks deciding to join the fight -> cue Gorebash and his horde meeting the dieal breeding ground for yet another waagh.

Maybe we get lucky and he decides to conquer Arabia or Etalia first...
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I would've thought after Thorgar's ascension he would've killed them all on the way to Nuln.

I think Gorebash would go for Barak Varr.
 
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