I believe game mechanics are mostly irrelevant in this quest, or Gruber as a Demonprince would have had to have insane luck not to die to the first three cannonballs that hit him.

Long range and I think his wounds got buffed a little.

We started that campaign with 4 cannons. That is usually enough to kill a Daemon prince as long as there is something preventing said daemon prince from reaching the cannons.

We now have 50 and are experimenting with grape shot, essentially turning them from oversized sniper rifles into oversized shotguns.
 
I write as is thematically appropriate, a meld of crunch and fluff and personal authoring.

True. It'd indeed make little sense for Gruber to be taken down as easily as he would on Table Top by canons, monsters and characters are in general debuffed on TT after all, a necessity considering that army sizes also have to be made much smaller for it.

Just that Chronic is stating something that's a bit of a stretch and basing his statements on currently exisiting fluff so I'd like some citations from him.
 
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Cannon Wizards - Hangwind
Cannon Wizards

BOOM!

"RAAARRRGH!"

Borgrug roared across the field in pleasure as he watched the latest shot slam into the herd of deer that had just stepped into view. Heh. One more meal for free!

And now the human female was yelling at him. Sigh. "-realize how dangerous that was?!? It could have exploded, caught fire, or broke! Then what? What would you have done if you had broken my prototype!"

Borgrug sighed at the screeching lecture the cow was yelling at him. It was times like these that made him miss the mountains. Life was simple there, kill and eat pretty much summed it up.

Of course, being the runt of the litter meant that he was probably going to be killed and eaten. That was why he had run away to the Empire in the first place. Being a mercenary in different parts of the Empire hadn't been all that different from the mountains to be honest. Most of the human commanders had been lees than interested in what their ogres were doing. Ogres were ogres and that was that.

Then he had joined the army of Ostland. These ogres had been weird! They didn't have the hunger, or at least not the proper version that he had. They had formations instead of just wading in. The commander was just unnaturally smart. Like shaman smart or something. And finally, they had been set to guard the cannons.

There, Borgrug had learned of magic. Sure, the shamans had their pots and stuff, but he had never seen anything quite like the cannons. For the first time, he was totally in agreement with his commander: he loved those things. For his guts, the cannoneers were the real wizards of the battlefield.

And nothing he had seen had changed his opinion. Sure, magic-users had killed almost as many enemies as the cannons had, but they hadn't made more food for him! When they had marched against the Norscans, all he had to do was wait till the battle was over and go in the general direction the cannons were facing and start eating. It was great!

Yeah, hadn't been that way in the Plague War, but even there, the halflings had set up behind the cannons, meaning he had been the first in line for the food after a battle! Now that was MAGIC!

Much better than the shamans, fucking food thieves that they were.

Them bad luck had hit. In the last battle against the Plague Bastard, he had taken a hit from a full on rotter. The thing had managed to tear off his leg at the knee, leaving him hobbled. He had killed the thing, and survived the battle, but...well, ogres had a tradition about cripples.

They were the victory feast.

But, again, the strangeness of the locals had shown through. Not only had he not been eaten, they had actually healed him! They even gave him his calf and foot back! Healing and food? Things were weird here!

But good. Course, he had figured he would have to work on a farm or something to make ends meet, since a peg-leg was worthless on a march. It had been one of the worst days of his life. Being eaten, those were just the breaks. Never being able to feel the boom of a cannon again? That was hopeless.

Once again though, cannons had provided. He had gotten an offer from the new school for gunners-since he was a runt, he could be the person to test their new "ogre cannons". The theory was, since ogres came in a broad array of sizes, he would show them exactly how large they could make the cannons and still count on ogres being able to fire them in the field. He was being given food to fire cannons!

Life was good.

"-and most importantly, how did it do?!?!" Borgrug grinned at the human cow, seeing and mirroring the familiar religious fervor in her eyes and smile. They might fight all the time, but there was one thing they agreed on without thought. Cannons were god, and they were all their loyal priests.

And by the Cannons, if any fucking food-thief shamans tried to make him worship the fucking Maw again, he would show them the power of real magic. Blackpowder and iron!
 
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I was just replying to your reference to tabletop for their capabilties. Why did you even bother to mention Bloodthirsters having I9 if you feel so? More importantly do you actually have any citations on cases in lore where monster sized Khornates dodges canonballs? I could see a potential for parrying single shots but dodges? I'm going to need to see feats because that sort of thing is more of Slaanesh's forte and I have a hard time seeing huge monsters doing so as opposed to much smaller humanoid warriors.

If you reread the post that started this argument you will notice that unnatural speed is just a minor one of my points. Flight is going to be a much bigger problem. But to be honest, i don't think i am convincing anyone right now so I'll just bow out of the discussion while it is still polite. People want their shiny ogre cannons over boring but practical and i can understand that. They are indeed pretty cool.
 
Ogres: "Best Goddess Ever!"
Pretty much.
Not sure if it can fully drive out the Hunger, but it might screw over the Maw's influence enough that foreign Ogres can't screw with the head of our own Ogres.

Ask and ye shall receive?
Thanks for that my good fellow!
Though I don't think that Ogre would've known anything about the old ways, since he should be a later-generation Ogre?
Might want to edit it so it can be canon and we get a bonus?
 
Thanks for that my good fellow!
Though I don't think that Ogre would've known anything about the old ways, since he should be a later-generation Ogre?
He was a wild runt-ogre fresh from the mountains. Still has bitter memories of shamans stealing his food for their magic. And has some of the hunger, though that is going away quickly since he actually actively hates the Maw now.
 
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Wouldnt Ogres know about how to launch random small stuff out of an cannon?
They did loot the Sky-Titans for their cannons quite a while ago after all, and it appears to be the first thing an Ogre does when they get their hands on an cannon.
 
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Wouldnt Ogres know about how to launch random small stuff out of an cannon?
They did loot the Sky-Titans for their cannons quite a while ago after all, and it appears to be the first thing an Ogre does when they get their hands on an cannon.
Okay, no. Launching random stuff from a cannon is not the same as grapeshot. Grapeshot is actually a small canister of powder surrounded by pieces of iron or steel that is launched out of a cannon. Basically, they are proto-grenades.

Putting random stuff in a cannon and lighting it off is stupid, dangerous, and wasteful. You won't have much range, and you will have the chance of the damn thing jamming and just exploding. It is a desperation move for a reason, and reduces your artillery to an unwieldy shotgun.
 
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Its basically a cannon propelled fragmentation grenade. Would be real nice if we crit the roll in time for the new ammo to go but it's not very likely unless we DD on it. Its definitely an affordable DD.
 
What are the odd's that while we march south, Hockland pulls off raids or something in our territory? By the sound of it, their Count is going loopy.
 
What are the odd's that while we march south, Hockland pulls off raids or something in our territory? By the sound of it, their Count is going loopy.
He's loopy, his army is mostly dead, his population unhappy with him and the population he's recruiting from loves us.

Anyone raising an army to invade us is likely to have that army try to off their count instead. We're fine with the forts up, even if he hires mercenaries.
 
Also....uh....we don't have magic that regenerates limbs.

About that ogre omake I mean.

Also pretty sure they don't call them shamans, they call them Butchers or Slaughtermasters. And that they don't curse that articulately...

I'll put it on the list but uh...no canon tag. sorry.

As for the update, I got some bad news today about a friend of mine. So uh...yeah.

it's going to be delayed for a bit
 
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Omake idea which I can't make to work: Grapeshot idea comes to an ogre after watching a Blunderbuss shot by riverwarden. He wants in on the action. Experimentation occurs.
 
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