Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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I don't like the idea of challenging Garagrim to a drinking contest. It was fitting with Bugman because he was a brewmaster and we wanted him to start brewing again, but Garagrim is a warrior. To me it feels like inserting comedy into a very serious situation and kind of downplaying its severity by assuming that it can all be fixed with a drinking contest.
 
Academia Nut said:
So, I think ultimately here we cannot appeal to emotion. No, we need to put Freddy's brain to work here. More than anything, we have to address Garagrim's shame at not being there. Let's look at his own logic:



Okay, here's our vector for attack. He lost his cool and got himself injured, such that he was unable to help later.

AKA he was acting like a Slayer.

So we need to point this out to him. We need to point out that he was fulfilling his oath as a Slayer in that instance, that what he is saying is that he wishes he acted with prudence rather than recklessness, AKA he wishes he had acted like a king rather than a slayer.

And now, here's the trick, we praise him for it. At that moment, he was a Slayer and not a king. By his oath he was bound to be reckless. And no son of Ungrim, no descendant of Baragor would go against his oaths! And now he is free of the Slayer Oath, and what an amazing thing that is! For a living Slayer to be rightly and justly decreed to have fulfilled his oath, what wonders. The oaths of kingship now bind him, but he has the choice of whether to take up the Slayer Oath once more. And now we ask, had he the choice before, would he have wanted to have acted as a King or as a Slayer? And then we ask, how does he want his father to be remembered? As the Last Slayer King, the one who finally relieved the weight of his ancestors oaths in a Doom that is unlikely to ever be exceeded, or as A Slayer King?

So we place the weight of duty and history upon him, and ultimately ask whether he values the honour of his ancestors more, or his personal shame more.
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No offense man, then your better off making such a write-in personally, if you want it too be done right.
 
Academia Nut said:
So, I think ultimately here we cannot appeal to emotion. No, we need to put Freddy's brain to work here. More than anything, we have to address Garagrim's shame at not being there. Let's look at his own logic:



Okay, here's our vector for attack. He lost his cool and got himself injured, such that he was unable to help later.

AKA he was acting like a Slayer.

So we need to point this out to him. We need to point out that he was fulfilling his oath as a Slayer in that instance, that what he is saying is that he wishes he acted with prudence rather than recklessness, AKA he wishes he had acted like a king rather than a slayer.

And now, here's the trick, we praise him for it. At that moment, he was a Slayer and not a king. By his oath he was bound to be reckless. And no son of Ungrim, no descendant of Baragor would go against his oaths! And now he is free of the Slayer Oath, and what an amazing thing that is! For a living Slayer to be rightly and justly decreed to have fulfilled his oath, what wonders. The oaths of kingship now bind him, but he has the choice of whether to take up the Slayer Oath once more. And now we ask, had he the choice before, would he have wanted to have acted as a King or as a Slayer? And then we ask, how does he want his father to be remembered? As the Last Slayer King, the one who finally relieved the weight of his ancestors oaths in a Doom that is unlikely to ever be exceeded, or as A Slayer King?

So we place the weight of duty and history upon him, and ultimately ask whether he values the honour of his ancestors more, or his personal shame more.
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Ooh yea, excellent idea :)
 
Nix's Warden said:
Oh well that is shinny reward. Here's hoping Magnus doesn't need to test it out any time soon.


....Can we do that?
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Dude, he's been testing it our since he picked it up in the field of battle.

Seriously? We're going to do the drinking thing? Nay, no, nah and a plethora of other words that mean "no". This feels like a silly easyout and we probably won't win, dwarven grief can be quite sobering.
 
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Academia Nut said:
I know, but I was looking to see if there was any significant feed back before writing it out.
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Personally I do think your on to something there, but would it really be right for Freddy to be giving that speech, considering the incredible amounts of danger he's thrust himself in? I could see his own past actions making such a speech seem hypocritical.

Slaggedfire said:
Dude, he's been testing it our since he picked it up in the field of battle.
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I'm implying I'm hoping he doesn't need to use that hammer for a good long while after we leave this place.
 
[x] Before I became the Elector Count of Ostland, I was a blacksmith. I was sickened by the politicking between my siblings, between my father and everyone else. I left that behind, figuring that, as the youngest child of six, there was no chance of me ever becoming Count anyways. Then, in one day, my family was slaughtered. My father and brothers slain fighting off some Norscarn Raiders, everyone else butchered in their own home. I survived only by taking up the hammer of my smithy and mauling the beastmen who came at me into paste.
-[x] For a time, I was furious. I was mad, and ashamed, and very, very lonely. I wanted nothing more than to venture forth with what meager remnants of my land's army that were left, and just keep killing until I finally fell, and joined my family. Wash away the shame of the family I abandoned in an ocean of my enemy's blood. But I didn't. And do you know why?
--[x] I had a duty. It wasn't just myself that mattered. It was the people who looked up to me. The common folk whom I'd lived alongside as a simple smith. I wanted to go out and kill and maim, but to do so would require me to shirk off the task I had been handed. Not to say I didn't fight when I had the chance, or that I didn't try to drown out my shame in drink. But I kept at my task regardless of how I felt. And eventually, I accepted that my family, my father, wouldn't want me running off and getting myself killed in some bid for vengeance anyways. So instead of dying, I made Ostland into a place he would have been proud of.
[x] You can do the same thing, now. Your line's oath is fulfilled. Your father is dead, but he died well and on his own terms. He died taking with him a foe that few could even stand against. He wouldn't want you to follow him. He'd want you to take his Kingdom, his People, now yours, and make something glorious. Live well, and he will be happy. Bring prosperity in his name, and wherever he is he will be proud.

this, this sounds so much better
 
torroar said:
The runes upon this axe allow it to blur in motion, faster
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Think you mean hammer here.
Academia Nut said:
So, I think ultimately here we cannot appeal to emotion. No, we need to put Freddy's brain to work here. More than anything, we have to address Garagrim's shame at not being there. Let's look at his own logic:
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@Academia Nut think you need to make an actual vote so people will vote for you thing. I certainly will once there is a vote for it that covers everything you are talking about.
 
No drinking guys! Freddy is still recovering, do you want to kill him like this? He nearly died last time!

It also does not feel right when the poor guy is grieving for father.
 
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