They're not stupid.
You don't build a Dyson Sphere by being stupid. You certainly don't keep one if you're stupid.
Just consider them to be differently abled.
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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
- Thread starter OneirosTheWriter
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You don't build a Dyson Sphere by being stupid. You certainly don't keep one if you're stupid.
Just consider them to be differently abled.
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- USA
No, no, they are Smart.
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
- Location
- Wherever I am, which isn't where I'm not
So the Pakleds in TBG aren't the cousins of the Breen, given the chance to grow to their full potential by Captain Archer and "Dr." Phlox horribly misunderstanding both evolution and the point of the Prime Directive?
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
I think it is a matter of their language using simple/literal words and a lack of attention or interest in certain things than them being unintelligent.
Their lack of interest can be explained by being a genuine lack of interest rather than a lack of understand due to lack of intelligence while their simple language could just be a linguistic thing.
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- Earth
I am very intrigued about how this re-interpretation of the Pakleds will go. Initial, low-information, wild-man guessing: Pakled society advanced like Idiocracy? An intelligent few advanced the society and technology and carry the rest of the civilization through automation sheer redundant engineering?
I am patient. I will wait. For more.
I am patient. I will wait. For more.
I'm hoping this doesn't go the Idiocracy route and have them be degenerate descendants of the dyson shell's builders.
EDIT: ninja'd on the Idiocracy front.
In the original TNG episode they really were morons. As in, they needed to kidnap someone to get their ship running, and they were fooled by some red mist.
I'd guess they were a screwed up uplift or created species, but we already have the Hishimeri filling that role.
EDIT: ninja'd on the Idiocracy front.
In the original TNG episode they really were morons. As in, they needed to kidnap someone to get their ship running, and they were fooled by some red mist.
I'd guess they were a screwed up uplift or created species, but we already have the Hishimeri filling that role.
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- Aotearoa
And quality, fun logs they were too.
Glad to see Commander Asina found a mutually rewarding, non combat, non-fetch-quest marker for Zhang and the Enterprise, too.
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- USA
My guess is that this is a case of hedonic collapse. They ruled their time, found all the science, built a Dyson sphere and moved inside.
Years go by, no need for science, that's done, no need for industry, etc, they moved into their holodecks and basically never left.
The species changed, over the years, into one optimized for enjoyment and smugness.
Years go by, no need for science, that's done, no need for industry, etc, they moved into their holodecks and basically never left.
The species changed, over the years, into one optimized for enjoyment and smugness.
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- Illinois
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- He/Him
Fascinating! And they seem much less stupid than the TNG version, they just sound dumb as hell.
Yup, that sounds like a Zara thing to do! Good to have her back exploring.
Good work!
Man, this feels very emotional, though disguised in a very Vulcan manner. Feels very right.
Excellent!
Generic_Generica
Notice me Senpai~
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- Right behind you
Would the distinct smugness I'm detecting in these logs be explained away by the UT not conveying, y'know, nuance and inflection all that well?
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- Canada
That's one too many vessels for one vessel!
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- Outside the Box
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- She/Her
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- United States
Are there up to date versions of the front page documents?
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
Oh Zara.
Never change.
Looking forward to learning more!
Never change.
Oh my. A major power? An irrelevant isolationist alien?
Looking forward to learning more!
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- Mid-Atlantic
Leslie:
"OH MY GOD I WAS RIGHT IT'S THE APPIFIED GUYS!"
Leslie:
"Turned out they had some kind of legend about the one who spoke. Even. More. Broken. Up. Than. Them. So as soon as the captain hailed their ship and started talking to him they all ran away screaming off the bridge. Me and Galloway plugged the dislodged cables back in, shut down their transport inhibitor remotely, and beamed off."
Leslie:
"Like their ship not going?"
Leslie:
"Well all I can say is, if the main bunch of 'em is like this, then the ones we ran into must have been their version of the Golgafrinchan Ark."
Leslie:
"Aaaand that was the day I mastered the difficult art of Ked Peddah scream-yodeling."
Leslie:
"SO... CONFLICTED... REDSHIRT SENSE... CONFUSED..."
Leslie:
[Eyes cross, collapses]
@AKuz , you enjoy your technobabble word generator process very much, I hope?
Leslie, reawakened:
"Oh, Noshabkeming save us, a Corps captain who mixes metaphors and wants to breathe vacuum..."
Cpt. Petrova:
"Hold still and let me apply the de-groucher hypospray, sir."
Enterprise:
"Oooh I get to be a contractor!"
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- Aotearoa
Adrestia:
"Welcome to the Sisterhood of Ships-For-Hire.
Never renege on a contract (but read the small print carefully and don't forget the break clauses), never betray your employer (but check their credentials closely), and never compromise your principles (hmph ...unless of course you make them pay extremely handsomely).
May the sum of your earnings and your honour always remain in credit."
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- Mid-Atlantic
Enterprise:
[smiles, pulls out very yellowed piece of paper]
"Actually, been a charter member since 1814. Ran gunpowder to General Jackson for the Battle of New Orleans. Henry Shreve was a sweetie."
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
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Oh no, not THOSE guys.
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
Figures the dumb ones would have a Dyson Sphere. It's been noted that once you actually have the tech to make one it's beyond inefficient to do so unless you intend a younger race to use it.
How much you wanna bet they've been using less than 1% of their DS because they either forgot how to maintain it and have to migrate whenever they outstrip the self-repair, or they simply never saw the point in ALL THE LIVING SPACE being filled with quadrillions of potentially productive members of society.
Like, if we assume we're dealing with an Earth-like distance from their Sol-like Sun we'd be dealing with 2.8×1017 sq km (1.1×1017 sq mi) which is roughly 550 million times Earth's own surface area.
Let's see, 7 billion humans, rounded down to 5 to account for any increased resource concerns these guys might have, per Earth area, multiplied by 550 million, 2.75*10^18 people. Of course, that's a lot of waste heat to deal with, but I think a quintillion is entirely achievable, and even if their genius ratio was literally one in a billion, that's still an average of a trillion geniuses, which might be more than the Federation. Man, can you imagine a race like that ascending to the level of Q or even the Organians?
Of course, this leaves the question of where they got the building material. The Sol system is unusually planet-dense, since most stars don't have more than three or four apiece, and getting an 8-20 cm thick shell would require completely deconstructing them including the gas giant cores, though a Stellar Bellows could do a lot to mitigate this over a few generations. Even with the 10% soft cap on efficiency, that's a thousand rings producing 16.2 quintillion kilograms of material per day, or 5.913 sextillion per year. More than enough to make a dent in a planet or two over a decade, and therefore contribute to a Dyson Sphere.
Unless, of course, it's not a Shell-Sphere. In which case, ignore me.
How much you wanna bet they've been using less than 1% of their DS because they either forgot how to maintain it and have to migrate whenever they outstrip the self-repair, or they simply never saw the point in ALL THE LIVING SPACE being filled with quadrillions of potentially productive members of society.
Like, if we assume we're dealing with an Earth-like distance from their Sol-like Sun we'd be dealing with 2.8×1017 sq km (1.1×1017 sq mi) which is roughly 550 million times Earth's own surface area.
Let's see, 7 billion humans, rounded down to 5 to account for any increased resource concerns these guys might have, per Earth area, multiplied by 550 million, 2.75*10^18 people. Of course, that's a lot of waste heat to deal with, but I think a quintillion is entirely achievable, and even if their genius ratio was literally one in a billion, that's still an average of a trillion geniuses, which might be more than the Federation. Man, can you imagine a race like that ascending to the level of Q or even the Organians?
Of course, this leaves the question of where they got the building material. The Sol system is unusually planet-dense, since most stars don't have more than three or four apiece, and getting an 8-20 cm thick shell would require completely deconstructing them including the gas giant cores, though a Stellar Bellows could do a lot to mitigate this over a few generations. Even with the 10% soft cap on efficiency, that's a thousand rings producing 16.2 quintillion kilograms of material per day, or 5.913 sextillion per year. More than enough to make a dent in a planet or two over a decade, and therefore contribute to a Dyson Sphere.
Unless, of course, it's not a Shell-Sphere. In which case, ignore me.
Voikirium
SV's Estalia Guy
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- Ruritania Illinois
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You can all call me Nostradumbass
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- Germany
@AKuz, according to the periodic table of elements, it is Tngonian, not Tngonium. It is vitally important to get that right.
Now I am just waiting for us to find Daffyduckium.
Now I am just waiting for us to find Daffyduckium.
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- madison
ok, so i'm pretty sure smart means something more specific than we use it for. also, they are likely not as dumb as they look, since the one who talks like he's not an idiot is a language expert, they likely just have an odd language. This guy just knows how to talk primitive so he's easier to understand. Though I bet they have weird minds by everyone elses standards.