To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Shey has an emotional breakdown from the stress, in an expert ploy to pass responsibility for this decision back to President Okaar.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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We split the quest in two. Parallel universes. Iron wolf and anon user take one half, Akuz and Leila take the other. Oneiros has to work on both. Eventually the timelines converge and we have a duel to the death between two Rurliss' to see which universe will persist.
Or we wait for the next vote.
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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- Liberl Zemuria.
Fuck! okay I'm convinced. I will change my vote as soon as I find it.
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- Illinois
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So, I know people have likely decided, and firmly, but I want to say.
Intervention will end in war. We are not prepared for this war. We can win a total war, yes. A total war assumes federal unity. We do not have federal unity. Those on the front lines of this potential war object to it, on the basis that they are unready. Those further back are, in some cases unwilling to see garrison levels drop, or simply generally opposed on principle. Some, it is true, are enthusiastic. If we fight this war, we will not be fighting it at full mobilization, building wave upon wave of combat frigate using every bunch of resources in the Federation. Instead, we will be fighting it, certainly at the start, with one hand tied behind our backs. Remember what the Licori war was like, attempting to get Vulcan forces to deploy. Now imagine that against a great power. And if we do not win, or do not win enough to free Chrystovia and Bajor, we will be left with a government tearing itself apart.
Remember the battles in the Gabriel, where even victory tasted like defeat. Remember that that is what we are signing up for when we go to war.
The ISC offers a task force, and, or possibly merely orc to keep the Horizon off our backs. They signal willingness to fight the Dylaarians, while we fight the Cardassians. I do not blame them for this. The ISC has been burned one too many times, and their fleet is still small.
The Horizon offers a task force of its own, without logistical support. Meanwhile, they refuse to draw down, exposing an entire section of the Federation, along with the Tauni. Their populace may believe in intervention, but I am not so sure of their government.
I say that we cannot fight the Cardassians here. We cannot save the Chrystovians. Instead, let us put our efforts towards ensuring that Chrystovia will never happen again. We must never again abandon a civilization "because they're too hard to defend" before they really do become so. We must forge an alliance against the fascist menace that threatens us, the ISC, and every other civilization in this galaxy. We will fight the Cardassians eventually, I am sure of it. Let us make sure that when we do, there is no question of victory.
Intervention will end in war. We are not prepared for this war. We can win a total war, yes. A total war assumes federal unity. We do not have federal unity. Those on the front lines of this potential war object to it, on the basis that they are unready. Those further back are, in some cases unwilling to see garrison levels drop, or simply generally opposed on principle. Some, it is true, are enthusiastic. If we fight this war, we will not be fighting it at full mobilization, building wave upon wave of combat frigate using every bunch of resources in the Federation. Instead, we will be fighting it, certainly at the start, with one hand tied behind our backs. Remember what the Licori war was like, attempting to get Vulcan forces to deploy. Now imagine that against a great power. And if we do not win, or do not win enough to free Chrystovia and Bajor, we will be left with a government tearing itself apart.
Remember the battles in the Gabriel, where even victory tasted like defeat. Remember that that is what we are signing up for when we go to war.
The ISC offers a task force, and, or possibly merely orc to keep the Horizon off our backs. They signal willingness to fight the Dylaarians, while we fight the Cardassians. I do not blame them for this. The ISC has been burned one too many times, and their fleet is still small.
The Horizon offers a task force of its own, without logistical support. Meanwhile, they refuse to draw down, exposing an entire section of the Federation, along with the Tauni. Their populace may believe in intervention, but I am not so sure of their government.
I say that we cannot fight the Cardassians here. We cannot save the Chrystovians. Instead, let us put our efforts towards ensuring that Chrystovia will never happen again. We must never again abandon a civilization "because they're too hard to defend" before they really do become so. We must forge an alliance against the fascist menace that threatens us, the ISC, and every other civilization in this galaxy. We will fight the Cardassians eventually, I am sure of it. Let us make sure that when we do, there is no question of victory.
!!!!! What convinced you to go to war?
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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*Sighs*
Damn resources.
Damn our failures.
Damn our weaknesses.
God Damn the Cardassians.
Damn us.
Damn me.
[X] We should not intervene in the Chrystovian invasion.
Damn resources.
Damn our failures.
Damn our weaknesses.
God Damn the Cardassians.
Damn us.
Damn me.
[X] We should not intervene in the Chrystovian invasion.
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[X] We should intervene in the Chrystovian invasion.
There's reasons back and forth - but, honestly, they boil down to the same thing many 'quest' choices do - "we the voters are only guessing at what will come". Is Harmony attempting to set up a "Federation either drains their border with us or gives us moral high ground"? Will an intervention be successful? How much are the Chrystovians violating the Prime Directive, really? How will other Great Powers on the borders react? What hidden plans are in place for intervention and not intervention choices?
Ultimately, I think this is the more interesting choice. It does continue a pattern of the Federation being very interventionistic and even a touch aggressive (Licori), but then, in the recent wars the Federation took on a less aggressive role (finding evidence to stop the conflict, or providing assistance to an attacked party).
When it comes down to it, I don't think the Harmony will try military action - and, when it comes down to it, the diplomatic 'skirmishing' is hardly some kind of existential threat to the Federation. Oh no, some potential affiliates decide to join another reasonably sincere 'peaceful' faction!
The Romulans and Klingons are (probably) not that interested in prodding the Federation either. The Hishmeri are reasonably quiet.
Now, will intervention 'win'? How hard will the Cardassians fight when it comes to war? That's one of those "only QM and possibly Nuffle knows" things. But I rather think intervention is the preferable choice here.
There's reasons back and forth - but, honestly, they boil down to the same thing many 'quest' choices do - "we the voters are only guessing at what will come". Is Harmony attempting to set up a "Federation either drains their border with us or gives us moral high ground"? Will an intervention be successful? How much are the Chrystovians violating the Prime Directive, really? How will other Great Powers on the borders react? What hidden plans are in place for intervention and not intervention choices?
Ultimately, I think this is the more interesting choice. It does continue a pattern of the Federation being very interventionistic and even a touch aggressive (Licori), but then, in the recent wars the Federation took on a less aggressive role (finding evidence to stop the conflict, or providing assistance to an attacked party).
When it comes down to it, I don't think the Harmony will try military action - and, when it comes down to it, the diplomatic 'skirmishing' is hardly some kind of existential threat to the Federation. Oh no, some potential affiliates decide to join another reasonably sincere 'peaceful' faction!
The Romulans and Klingons are (probably) not that interested in prodding the Federation either. The Hishmeri are reasonably quiet.
Now, will intervention 'win'? How hard will the Cardassians fight when it comes to war? That's one of those "only QM and possibly Nuffle knows" things. But I rather think intervention is the preferable choice here.
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Man what
War sucks. That is like, one of the major themes of this quest. War sucks, people die, nobody really benefits. War has been consistently the least interesting part of this quest since its inception. I think you can make a case for war being necessary, but interesting?
I am like 1000% sure that as soon as the Pact is distracted by a general war the Hishmeri are going to attempt an actual genocide against the Imelak. They're our enemies, but I don't wish that on them.
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Chaos Blade
Procrastinating Writer
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Not to mention the only really viable tactic I can see is to go for the kill and take cardassia, imagine how that will play out! how the HoH will use *that* how we are some imperialistic superstate bent on galaxy domination using a patina of diplomacy and ideals to hide our naked greed
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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Honestly @Briefvoice its more damned if we do and damned if we don't. Everyone is giving good reasons for and against and I have payed close attention. We are not ready but what choice do we have. We screwed up with Bajor and look where they are now. I think we have been going about this wrong with the Horizon. I am not sure how to put this better but If we have the Horizon and the ISC on our side when we take a fleet including the USS Enterprise to the Conflict zone whether it be too late or just in time. Just our sending a response fleet will tell our allies and affiliates that Starfleet will step up when given the chance. I know the Horizon can't be trusted but in this case I am willing to work with them against the Cardassians aggression in regards to stopping them.
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[X] We should not intervene in the Chrystovian invasion.
Neville Chamberlain is underrated./s
More seriously, we are likely to win a total war against Cardassia. Are we ready to win what comes after? Any escalation to general war will have a huge cost in lives, material and time, not to mention lost opportunities from the unopposed Horizonite diplomacy, the Gorn-Ittick-a war, the Breen, etc. Kudos from the galaxy is nice, I guess, but they are a cold comfort. Warring now will leave us in a far worse position, and with the current resources we have, we have far better ways of limiting the influence of the Pact.
The injustice happening to the Chrystovians is galling, but we are not God, we cannot fix everything. And between fighting an inconclusive and damaging war now or a conflict in the future where we are ready to neutralize the Pact, I know which one I prefer.
Neville Chamberlain is underrated./s
More seriously, we are likely to win a total war against Cardassia. Are we ready to win what comes after? Any escalation to general war will have a huge cost in lives, material and time, not to mention lost opportunities from the unopposed Horizonite diplomacy, the Gorn-Ittick-a war, the Breen, etc. Kudos from the galaxy is nice, I guess, but they are a cold comfort. Warring now will leave us in a far worse position, and with the current resources we have, we have far better ways of limiting the influence of the Pact.
The injustice happening to the Chrystovians is galling, but we are not God, we cannot fix everything. And between fighting an inconclusive and damaging war now or a conflict in the future where we are ready to neutralize the Pact, I know which one I prefer.
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Thors_Alumni
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Whatever did happen to our combat frigate design?!
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It should be pointed out that the Chrystovians aren't our affiliates. What this tells our allies and affiliates is that we can and will drag them into massive wars on behalf of species who aren't even affiliated with us based on our regional rivalries.
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Sorry, I really don't understand what people expect from going to war, when one side is unprepared and unwilling and the other prepared. Is it the wish to set the game to iron man mode? Is the quest to easy, and the interventionists wish for a more challenging universe?
The Laio were affiliated ...
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- Aotearoa
Has anyone checked there isn't a Harmony Quest running on SB?
It could look like a quicker-to-build, slightly lower-cost Rennie-A
User:Alliterate/2323 Heavy Frigate - To Boldly Go
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Origami Clock
Right twice a day
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They aren't our allies though. They are just some guys who happened to develop civilisation in the wrong part of the galactic neighbourhood. Our front line is not prepared for war. What happens when the Imelak start going full biowar against the STO, or the Aipita economy is set back years from raiding that we are too overstretched to deal with. What happens when our members order us to throw in the towel before we accomplish anything of real significance because we don't have majority support even among our own members, never mind our allies, for such a risky venture.
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It's bizarre. We've been resigned to the Chrystovians eventual conquest for years, and now suddenly people who voted to ignore them, to put them on the backburner, who looked at the strategic calculus and said "we can't save these people" are suddenly arguing for total war on their behalf.
Origami Clock
Right twice a day
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Never put into prototyping because it wasn't a priority.
Chaos Blade
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at the same time we didn't go to war for some species that *are* our affiliates... that is going to hit us like a ton of bricks
mind control episode?
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One of the very first things in the quest was that the Caitains, an affiliate on the verge of joining the Federation, were attacked by the Dawiar in the middle of peace talks. During this attack a Starfleet ship was destroyed.
We refused to join in the war against the Dawiar, even though the Polaris was destroyed.
What exactly will be the surprise here?
[X] We should not intervene in the Chrystovian invasion.
I assumed the years of no task forces to resolve Distant Stars on the Chrysovians indicated that we had already written them off as a polity that we are unfortunately not able to feasibly protect. I'm not sure why this suddenly changed just because the ISC and HoH wants to use us as a catspaw against the Ashalla Pact.
I assumed the years of no task forces to resolve Distant Stars on the Chrysovians indicated that we had already written them off as a polity that we are unfortunately not able to feasibly protect. I'm not sure why this suddenly changed just because the ISC and HoH wants to use us as a catspaw against the Ashalla Pact.
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