The Muuyozi seem to be pretty chill people. Let's send some Risans their way. Though they really seemed to love Sabek appearing on their TV. Hey, let's promote him to Commodore and have him lead the task force! Use that celebrity powah! :V

The Licori are a hot mess. We're also being forced to back a faction that we don't morally agree with. I think we need a change of direction in our diplomacy here. We should put together a longer term TF aimed at not just countering the HoH influence, but also working on the feudalism issue. Not sure which of our member races could provide the most help in sheperding them through such a big societal change though...probably the Amarki who can sort of bridge the whole nobility while having transitioned to democracy? And the Orions might be able to emphasize too given Syndicate habits. We can send Jade there next.

As for the Bolians, I think we can leave them for now. Whoever gets them in the future is going to have to deal with the Romulans...if they survive their war...and when they sorta recover...

The Felis League is a little too far to really project ourselves. We can probably leave them to the ISC, who will probably care if they fall into Harmony orbit.

Oh, and there's also the Sotaw. I mean, this is probably the best time to push them without having to worry about the Romulan response. I don't think we want to send a TF for them though. Neutral zone and all that.
 
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The Licori are a hot mess. We're also being forced to back a faction that we don't morally agree with. I think we need a change of direction in our diplomacy here. We should put together a longer term TF aimed at not just countering the HoH influence, but also working on the feudalism issue. Not sure which of our member races could provide the most help in sheperding them through such a big societal change though...probably the Amarki who can sort of bridge the whole nobility while having transitioned to democracy? And the Orions might be able to emphasize too given Syndicate habits. We can send Jade there next.

Arcadian Empire (Licori) 100/100
-[Recently in a Shooting War: 91/100]
-[Romulan Influence: 0/100]
-[Horizon Influence: 0/100]
-[Slavery: 0/500]
-[Unequal Feudal Society: 0/500

1200 Tag Points to clear. Hot Mess indeed.

Oh, and there's also the Sotaw. I mean, this is probably the best time to push them without having to worry about the Romulan response. I don't think we want to send a TF for them though. Neutral zone and all that.

Last I head, they were colonizing the Neutral Zone with the intent of being the intermediary between the Federation and Romulans.
 
Omake - Space is WIde VI - nocarename
Space is Wide VI - A Position of Strength
"Let me help."-Edith Keeler
"A hundred years or so from now, a famous novelist will write a classic using that theme. He'll recommend those three words, even over 'I love you'." - James Kirk

=SS Golfito - Underway=
"Tri-ox compound, 60cc's. Five thousand doses."

*Beep!*

"Hyronalin, 15cc's. Six thousand doses."

*Beep!*

Spacer (3rd class) Silar heaved a sigh and let his head fall forward to gently bump against the towering stack of medical supplies, reflexively avoiding bumping the augmented reality glasses he wore everywhere.

"I hate inventory," he muttered.

"Everyone does," said his Captain, Kate Meechum, "That's why we give the duty to spacers third."

Silar snapped straight at the comment , "Yes ma'am, Captain. Just..."

"Having troubles dealing with the disaster at home?" asked the Captain as she closed the distance down the aisle of supplies.

"Yes ma'am," said Silar, "And I don't get why we're even shipping this to Kelowna."

Captain Meechum cocked an eyebrow. "Great Bird of the Galaxy knows I'd have a stack of issues if something like that had happened to Earth and I'm from Vega. Go on?"

"Well, yes, we're under contract to by Chirurgeons of the Stars, but why now? The disaster has already happened and local production is making enough for everyone now. And that doesn't explain a thing about the ration bars and nutritional supplement shakes I was double checking yesterday. Those aren't even the right flavours for Tauni populations anyway. They were all vegetarian - not even simulated meat."

Kate leaned back on the other side of the aisle.

"Good eye," she complemented, "Especially for someone who's homeworld had a chunk of moon dropped on it. So, yes, everything we're shipping is useful in cleaning up the mess that happened at Kelowna and the aftermath. Atmospheric processors, drugs that help smooth out the problems that linger, food to offset bad harvests, spare parts for everything that's hard to make on site without special equipment, but what we're really shipping is strength."

"Strength?"

"Strength. The strength to be kind. You're right that the relief supplies aren't ideal for a purely Tauni population.You've seen the news about the Romulan-Klingon war, right?"

"A damn ugly fight. But what does that have to do with the price of glasses?"

"There isn't a fight that's clean, not really. The supplies are fine food, and frankly, if the protein synthesizers broke down, I'd eat them happily myself. What they are though, is from the subset of supplies that last and are inoffensive to both Tauni and Romulan pallets. The drugs are effective on both your own species and the Romulans. You can use every bit of it, but once there's something that starts to resemble a reserve on hand..."

"You, the Federation is actually prepositioning supplies for a Taunitarian mission so you can, what? Ride to the rescue of a people who have tried to kill you repeatedly? We aren't even close to the Romulans!"

"Sophontarian please, and no you aren't as close as Paddah. If we go in to Romulan space from the coreward side things will probably base out of there. That said, building a supply chain entirely on the fly wouldn't be 'prudent'."

Silar closed his eyes for just a moment and let the organization play out against his eyelids.

"So you're giving us more than we need, because you think it would be a good thing if we gave some of these supplies away too, in a disaster that doesn't even involve your government or mine at all."

"Keep it up Silar, and you'll make Spacer 2nd Class in no time," said Kate as she reached across and clasped him on the shoulder, "Take a three day leave when we get in system. See some old friends, reconnect. In the mean time, keep counting."

"Aye ma'am," he agreed as Kate left the cargo bay.

"They're mad," he said once he was alone, "Every one of them, and none have the same ideas, and the all end up going in the same direction, more or less, anyway. It's something alright.

"Polynutrient solution, five thousand, one litre units."

*Beep!*

-0-

"Hey, Captain?"

"Yes Silar?"

"What the plan to move all of this anyway? Since we're moving on and most of the government shipping for the Federation is tied up on official jobs?"

"Ah. Well, if there's someone in the area who can do the work, they can bid on it. The Golfito isn't the only independent ship at this end of known space after all But, the Arcadian Empire was doing a whole bunch of auxiliary ship construction for the Romulan government. My bet would be that the Federation Council can find a way to get the use of those to start running supplies and putting together the basics of a trade network again in Romulan space. At least as long as it's safe enough to run cargoes through Romulan territory again."

Silar nodded then stopped as another thought worked its way through his mind. "Didn't you tell me once that your part of a trade order that historically ran supplies through war zones to keep civilization on Earth from collapsing?"

"Safe enough is potentially a very different thing from completely safe," conceded Kate, "We ship what pays and we ship what's needed Silar. If you remember that when the time comes and you'll go far."

"I still think you Federation types are all nuts, but hell if it isn't an appealing shade of crazy."

"You'll make me blush spacer. Now, I believe that you you're on plasma conduit duty this shift, so stop stalling and off you go."

"Aye ma'am."

-0-

It wasn't often that the SS Golfito made port at anyone's home planet, give or take Vega, and Silar was taking shameless advantage of that three day pass he'd been granted to visit a bakery in the town he'd grown up in. He'd even be taking a box or three back to the ship to share. Not that he was picking them out, that was a job for junior enlisted. Silar was too busy being debriefed by his handler.

"And you say that there's no ulterior motive?"

"I didn't say that," corrected Sargent Silar, Tauni Space Gate Command - Military Intelligence branch, "There are plenty of thoughts about what they'd like us to do with the medicines and supplies. What there isn't are actual conditions. The whole damn ship, from the Captain down to the junior crewmen is certain that if they just give us the option to help out the Romulans, that they can work out a deal to pass the supplies along through the Ked Paddah, or the Arcadian Empire and that even if we don't they can still manage.

"I'd bet my next paycheck that they've got a similar set up ready to go along the Klingon border and possibly even ready to run up the Klingon-Romulan border itself chasing fires with an extinguisher."

"Your official evaluation?"

"They want us to talk. To them, to our neighbours, to our neighbours' neighbours, everyone there just wants to talk to everyone else. Different subjects, different end goals, but every single one of them wants to talk about almost everything. If these medicines are a tool for anything besides being tools for healing, they are tools to get us to talk to everyone nearby. We need allies anyway and this will help us make them. Take it and be ready to pass it along to someone else. If we're strong enough to be free, we're strong enough to be kind."

"Your position is noted Sargent. Now, get out there and enjoy your leave. Spacer third class."
 
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The Muuyozi seem to be pretty chill people. Let's send some Risans their way. Though they really seemed to love Sabek appearing on their TV. Hey, let's promote him to Commodore and have him lead the task force! Use that celebrity powah! :V

The Licori are a hot mess. We're also being forced to back a faction that we don't morally agree with. I think we need a change of direction in our diplomacy here. We should put together a longer term TF aimed at not just countering the HoH influence, but also working on the feudalism issue. Not sure which of our member races could provide the most help in sheperding them through such a big societal change though...probably the Amarki who can sort of bridge the whole nobility while having transitioned to democracy? And the Orions might be able to emphasize too given Syndicate habits. We can send Jade there next.

As for the Bolians, I think we can leave them for now. Whoever gets them in the future is going to have to deal with the Romulans...if they survive their war...and when they sorta recover...

The Felis League is a little too far to really project ourselves. We can probably leave them to the ISC, who will probably care if they fall into Harmony orbit.

Oh, and there's also the Sotaw. I mean, this is probably the best time to push them without having to worry about the Romulan response. I don't think we want to send a TF for them though. Neutral zone and all that.

Well with the Sotaw, we do want to get rid of the Neutral Zone at some point so we can just have a normal border. It'd be nice if we could take advantage of Romulan weakness to get the Sotaw on our side of the border, where I think it's safe to say they'd be treated better. The main reason we aren't right now is that we have two many other priorities
 
The Licori are a hot mess. We're also being forced to back a faction that we don't morally agree with. I think we need a change of direction in our diplomacy here. We should put together a longer term TF aimed at not just countering the HoH influence, but also working on the feudalism issue. Not sure which of our member races could provide the most help in sheperding them through such a big societal change though...probably the Amarki who can sort of bridge the whole nobility while having transitioned to democracy? And the Orions might be able to emphasize too given Syndicate habits. We can send Jade there next.

Arcadian Empire (Licori) 100/100
-[Recently in a Shooting War: 91/100]
-[Romulan Influence: 0/100]
-[Horizon Influence: 0/100]
-[Slavery: 0/500]
-[Unequal Feudal Society: 0/500

1200 Tag Points to clear. Hot Mess indeed.

The thing is, we don't need to clear the 500s to keep our borders clean for a very long time, just the 100s, so we can get past the 300 mark. We should get the first clear next snakepit, and dropping a task force on each of the Influence tags would solve this border headache really quickly.

Edit: Of course, the 500s are not small issues, but the 100s do clear up our internal (external?) ones.
 
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The thing is, we don't need to clear the 500s to keep our boarders clean for a very long time, just the 100s, so we can get past the 300 mark. We should get the first clear next snakepit, and dropping a task force on each of the Influence tags would solve a border headache really quickly.

Edit: Of course, the 500s are not small issues, but the 100s do clear up our internal (external?) ones.
I was speaking narratively, not mechanically. It's really hard to bear to fact that we're having to support the nobility against the common peasantry.
 
Yeah. It does make more sense to work on the 500s out of order, and stay true to who we are.

Yeah, if I had one thing to quibble with the new diplomacy system, it's how the difficulty of a tag is tied to the level it is encountered at. For the sake of simplicity I understand why it is the way it is, but it just seems wrong to me that the Federation will become allies with a nation before they even try to address the issue of slavery. I wish there was a way to have a 500 difficulty tag that had to be cleared before one became an affiliate or ally.
 
Yeah, if I had one thing to quibble with the new diplomacy system, it's how the difficulty of a tag is tied to the level it is encountered at. For the sake of simplicity I understand why it is the way it is, but it just seems wrong to me that the Federation will become allies with a nation before they even try to address the issue of slavery. I wish there was a way to have a 500 difficulty tag that had to be cleared before one became an affiliate or ally.
Actually I'd say this is exactly the sort of thing the Federation would do. Being Affiliated and later Allied with a nation that performs some horrible practice, in this case slavery, is the best way for a peaceful resolution to that problem to be found. Once we are Allied with the Licori we can start working on solving their use of slavery since such a high level connection allows the Federation to publicly funnel support to anti-slavery groups, apply more pressure to high ranking officials, and provide economic assistance during the transition.

Basically; the best way to (non-violently) change a system is from within and so the Federation works its way into the system before trying to change things.
 
I was speaking narratively, not mechanically. It's really hard to bear to fact that we're having to support the nobility against the common peasantry.
I actually don't know why we are, just because the HOH is targeting the lower socioeconomic classes doesn't mean we have to support the other end of the spectrum. Personally the FDS should be right in there fighting for the same hearts and minds that the HOH are.

Yeah, if I had one thing to quibble with the new diplomacy system, it's how the difficulty of a tag is tied to the level it is encountered at. For the sake of simplicity I understand why it is the way it is, but it just seems wrong to me that the Federation will become allies with a nation before they even try to address the issue of slavery. I wish there was a way to have a 500 difficulty tag that had to be cleared before one became an affiliate or ally.
Would be relatively easy to fix, just replicate the [Slavery: 0/500] tag a couple of times at varying levels and the rule that influence applied to a tag name impacts all levels of that tag name. So (aas an example) the Licori would have,
-[Slavery: 0/100]
-[Slavery: 0/300]
-[Slavery: 0/500]
And after we get a bit of progress.
-[Slavery: 54/100]
-[Slavery: 54/300]
-[Slavery: 54/500]
Or to reduce the bookkeeping
-[Slavery: 54/100{300}{500}]

So you make the 500 tag have to be cleared in chunks, representing effort over time.
 
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We have way more important tasks to form Task Forces for.

I dont think this thread ever had an actual discussion about the value of mine vs diplomacy. Though all the snakepits where people try to talk down some other option by saying how much more awesome mines are probably sort of count. :p
Any SR mine found right now translates pretty directly into more ships in the future since it is the current bottleneck and we should also remember than any mine will have a pp and rp trickle attached to it.
There is also the fact that we dont actually know yet how good a task force is at finding mines. The event table for them could be way more generous than the diplo one and we would never actually notice it if we dont create one.
 
I was speaking narratively, not mechanically. It's really hard to bear to fact that we're having to support the nobility against the common peasantry.

It's an accident of the Federation's fight with the Romulans for influence and control after the end of the war and an artifact of how we negotiated the end of the war.

Trust me that the Romulans are no more comfortable having to support the rising bourgeoisie and middle class against the nobility than we are supporting the nobles -but it was their best move to stay in the game.

There's nothing saying that the Federation has to continue supporting the nobility alone, it's just the FDS's starting place.
 
It's an accident of the Federation's fight with the Romulans for influence and control after the end of the war and an artifact of how we negotiated the end of the war.

Trust me that the Romulans are no more comfortable having to support the rising bourgeoisie and middle class against the nobility than we are supporting the nobles -but it was their best move to stay in the game.

There's nothing saying that the Federation has to continue supporting the nobility alone, it's just the FDS's starting place.
Seems like, depending on the disposition of the Romulan Empire in the next few years, there's a decent chance of the Romulan Influence tag going away.
 
Yeah, we might just find out how many subjugated races are in both the Romulan and Klingon empires as they taste a little freedom. The Remans jump to mind as one example.
 
Seems like, depending on the disposition of the Romulan Empire in the next few years, there's a decent chance of the Romulan Influence tag going away.

I'm surprised it exists now, honestly. You'd think the Romulans would be bring home all the assets they have and who still want to come home. Everybody who's working for them ought to be glued to a holo watching the news from Romulus and wondering if they still have a job.
 
As others already pointed out, we might get to know the Klingon's and Romulan's other neighbours within the next 4 quarters ...
 
I'm surprised it exists now, honestly. You'd think the Romulans would be bring home all the assets they have and who still want to come home. Everybody who's working for them ought to be glued to a holo watching the news from Romulus and wondering if they still have a job.
They probably don't have the ships available to pick them up - at best they can bum a ride from a trading ship or something.
 
I was speaking narratively, not mechanically. It's really hard to bear to fact that we're having to support the nobility against the common peasantry.
If the primary Horizon influence is with the poor, and that tag is removed, it would imply the Federation's influence has extended to...

Actually I'd say this is exactly the sort of thing the Federation would do. Being Affiliated and later Allied with a nation that performs some horrible practice, in this case slavery, is the best way for a peaceful resolution to that problem to be found. Once we are Allied with the Licori we can start working on solving their use of slavery since such a high level connection allows the Federation to publicly funnel support to anti-slavery groups, apply more pressure to high ranking officials, and provide economic assistance during the transition.

Basically; the best way to (non-violently) change a system is from within and so the Federation works its way into the system before trying to change things.
"Hi there, we're the Hishmeri, officially 300/300 allies of the Federation. You haven't met them yet, but they're swell folks, which is why they're friends with us! Anyways, we're just here to just burn down your houses and sell some of y'all into slavery rightabout now. Remember, the Federation has a mutual defense pact with us and considers us an ally!"
 
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Working on the tags for Hishmeri is a hassle, we're not going to make any head ways any time soon and it would be wasted if effort if they're on the move soon.
I rather do an Ittick-ka push since nobody will go for intel on Ittick-ka, would be happy to get them over 100 and what's their general situation, that way we can gain more presence for future exploration in mind.
 
That "Hi, we're the Hishmeri" prospect is basically the thing we're worried about.

The one-dimensional relationship score model of integration into the Federation works great for species that don't have any nasty habits which other species might reasonably condemn, or where obstacles to our relationship have more to do with distrust than with anything else.

It works bit less well (at least with no further tweaking) as a way of modeling the relations between the Federation and a species with very disagreeable habits (slavery, aggressive wars, brutal dictatorial government).
 
Working on the tags for Hishmeri is a hassle, we're not going to make any head ways any time soon and it would be wasted if effort if they're on the move soon.
I rather do an Ittick-ka push since nobody will go for intel on Ittick-ka, would be happy to get them over 100 and what's their general situation, that way we can gain more presence for future exploration in mind.
That depends. If we will be able to soften their slavery and raiding habits, we are still pushing federation's agenda even if they move on.
 
On the other hand, if we could get a faction of friendly Hishmeri, we could settle them next to the Ashidi. That would take care of our undefended front with the Imelak and allow the STO to concentrate their forces on the Cardassian front instead of splitting them.
 
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