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So the first several months of the Arsharra N'Gir administration actually involved political purges of every jerk in Caitian politics.
One jerk to rule them all
One jerk to find them
So the first several months of the Arsharra N'Gir administration actually involved political purges of every jerk in Caitian politics.
...Is this a representative sample of Caitian politics? If so, someone remind me again how their government looked like it was ready to join the Federation? This shit isn't just unpleasant, it's nonfunctional."You do that, and I win even more," she replied coolly, "You think Mlenn's going to see that as anything other than you flailing in desperation? You've got no proof." Her mouth was all teeth, all of them bared for N'Gir to see. She laughed suddenly, dropping N'Gir, "You don't even have the nerve to spit in my face. Here's my tip, Arsharra -- get out of this while you can. You're not cut out for this. These tactics always win. There's no fair playing field here." She turned and began to walk away, "Go into industry or something. Be a middle manager somewhere. It's what suits your type."
...Is this a representative sample of Caitian politics? If so, someone remind me again how their government looked like it was ready to join the Federation? This shit isn't just unpleasant, it's nonfunctional.
I'd normally agree with you, but an isolated event shouldn't have been enough to give us president catlady. That's why I'm asking if their entire government is like this. I mean, I'm perfectly willing to believe that N'Gir is just incredibly vulnerable psychologically and all it took was one little push, but that's not much better!It all sounds very dramatic with the 'villain speech' and such, but when you look at what actually happened it was an act of petty office sabotage by a jerk who claims that 'everyone does this'.
I'd normally agree with you, but an isolated event shouldn't have been enough to give us president catlady. That's why I'm asking if their entire government is like this. I mean, I'm perfectly willing to believe that N'Gir is just incredibly vulnerable psychologically and all it took was one little push, but that's not much better!
I'm not going to bring that argument back up again. Suffice to say that I believe that she has demonstrated the same petty, selfish behavior that we see in this omake, just with enough brain behind it to avoid resorting to overt sabotage.I still say that N'Gir is a perfectly fine politician and I don't know why players have built her up to be somehow abnormal or bad. So I don't know what you mean by "give us president catlady". What about her requires her to have been 'pushed' into being something?
I still say that N'Gir is a perfectly fine politician and I don't know why players have built her up to be somehow abnormal or bad. So I don't know what you mean by "give us president catlady". What about her requires her to have been 'pushed' into being something?
That, or you'd get overreactions from the "I didn't kill sixteen hypercorp security commandos with a rusty butter knife to put up with this shit!" crowd.The point is that the Orion woman is like totally immune to the words because, like, the level of threat he poses is literally zero. Mean words mean nothing to someone who lived through the Tenth Orion Revolution or whatever.
He comes from a tradition where being mean 'n screamy is the worst possible thing and it's real off putting in a functional society. Whereas a lot of the Orion political class come from a tradition where whatever side you were on every day had the distinct chance of you waking up dead -or worse.
It's like "Congratulations. You insulted me again. Come back when you're prepared to literally rip out my throat with your teeth."
I figure she just grew up in an environment that normalized a high level of verbal aggression, and where a certain amount of petty interpersonal betrayal from assholes in the organization was expected.I'd normally agree with you, but an isolated event shouldn't have been enough to give us president catlady. That's why I'm asking if their entire government is like this. I mean, I'm perfectly willing to believe that N'Gir is just incredibly vulnerable psychologically and all it took was one little push, but that's not much better!
I honestly don't think N'Gir has a lot of defects except for being (1) abrasive with subordinates and (2) prone to suspect 'old guard' subordinates and peers within the political system of sabotaging her when that is not their motivation.I still say that N'Gir is a perfectly fine politician and I don't know why players have built her up to be somehow abnormal or bad. So I don't know what you mean by "give us president catlady". What about her requires her to have been 'pushed' into being something?
Most do.It's the idealism.
Star Trek presumes the best in sophonts in general, so having N'Gir act in this manner is startling. Also, if this is 'perfectly fine' for a politician your politicians suck.
Leslie:It's been my headcanon for a while that it's actually seen as a huge insult in the tellarite culture not to complain. Like if they invited someone into thier house and all they said was "Its nice, nothing else to say." Or you're wearing a new pair of glasses and they're like "Oh, they look okay", those are basically fighting words. Because in the Tellarite mind, it's because the other person thinks you're too stupid to defend yourself. You picked out these glasses, you've got your reasons why, and now some asshole isn't even bothering to try and hear them. The fuck is his damage, thinking you can't support your choices?
"Well, your suit jacket is looking pretty nice."
And then A Punch Out!! ensues.
In human culture such maneuvers are usually designed to avoid conflict but would drastically exacerbate it with Tellarites -- you can see where there would be a major diplomacy issue.
Actually, I believe TBG is using the Kelvin-verse canon where Delta Vega is apparently another planet on the outer reaches of the Vulcan trinary star system. Which...makes it kinda awkward for the Enterprise to strand someone in a core member's backyard. But maybe they thought they could ask the Vulcans to try and rehabilitate Mitchel, since as we see with that blind girl (I forget her name, from the episode with the Medusans), apparently telepathic humans get trained by Vulcans in TOS.Season 1.1: Where No Man Has Gone Before
Where No Man Has Gone Before (episode)
Planet of Hats
Summary: The Enterprise goes beyond the edge of the galaxy seeking the Valiant, a long-lost Earth ship. Gary Mitchell develops godlike psychic powers and goes power mad, eventually having to be killed.
TBG Discussion: The "edge of the galaxy" is not a problem if you assume it's actually departing the galactic plane rather than the rim, and the barrier they ran into is a localized phenomenon. Note the empty world where Gary Mitchel is to be stranded is 'Delta Vega', which in TBG is a Vulcan major world with its own Council seat... perhaps another world in the same star system?
Might not be as easy as that. I seem to recall STIV indicated that it takes some really advance math to calculate the slingshot effect. Sulu may be able to reproduce the previous flights he'd been on if you gave him a ship of the exact mass and dimensions of the original Enterprise or the Bounty (with and without 2 whales). But he can't do it with just any old ship by himself. Spock, however, is still around.Season 1.21: Tomorrow is Yesterday
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Tomorrow_is_Yesterday_(episode)
Planet of Hats
Summary: The Enterprise is thrown back in time to 1969 and has to find a way home without altering the past. Spock invents a method of time travel you can do with any ship with a warp drive. Not event a good warp drive... they do it at warp factor 3.
TBG Discussion: Just FYI, but Admiral Sulu personally knows how to time travel. The Bureau of Temporal Affairs probably has nightmares about that.
I think it's likely that the two planets went into a cold war that may or may not have eventually turned into a limited or unlimited war. Or in any case, they haven't made nice with each other and neither thinks well of the Federation for breaking their previous form of war. So relations are sub-zero and the Federation doesn't want to get involved again until they fix themselves on their own.Season 1.23: A Taste of Armageddon
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon_(episode)
Planet of Hats
Summary: The Enterprise forcefully opens up diplomatic relations (as in ignoring orders to stay away) with the planet Eminiar 7. It has been fighting a pseudo-war with the third planet in the same system (Vendikar) for 500 years. The war is run by computers, who decide who has been killed, and the casualties then report to disintegration chambers. After the Enterprise is declared 'destroyed', the crew fights to survive and Kirk threatens to destroy the entire planet. Eventually Spock disrupts the computer controlling the flow of communications and Kirk tells everyone they can make peace or go to war for real.
TBG Discussion: This is an awkward episode to integrate into a game where we're actually tracking all significant species. What happened to the Eminiar and Vendikar? Maybe they're out there, but have gone heavy isolationist and don't fly starships around? (No starships were mentioned in the episode.) Maybe the peace talks failed and they're all dead. (Depressing.) Maybe they got ceded into Klingon territory, which is a nice default answer. Interested in thread thoughts on this because it is a good episode and nice bit of lore for the universe.
The thing is, Malcat Tucker doesn't give a fuck either. So such posturing isn't really in the hypothetical Orions favour.The point is that the Orion woman is like totally immune to the words because, like, the level of threat he poses is literally zero. Mean words mean nothing to someone who lived through the Tenth Orion Revolution or whatever.
He comes from a tradition where being mean 'n screamy is the worst possible thing and it's real off putting in a functional society. Whereas a lot of the Orion political class come from a tradition where whatever side you were on every day had the distinct chance of you waking up dead -or worse.
It's like "Congratulations. You insulted me again. Come back when you're prepared to literally rip out my throat with your teeth."
...Is this a representative sample of Caitian politics? If so, someone remind me again how their government looked like it was ready to join the Federation? This shit isn't just unpleasant, it's nonfunctional.
Yes. Krisil's act of sabotage comes from the fact they're largely operating in a "safe" area for Quiet Progress. But she's so consumed by intra-party politics she's willing to sabotage others to ensure that even if they lose overall, she wins. I wouldn't expect to see that in a no-shit, all hands on deck this is going to be close election.It all sounds very dramatic with the 'villain speech' and such, but when you look at what actually happened it was an act of petty office sabotage by a jerk who claims that 'everyone does this'.
Part of this omake was me going back and realizing N'Gir isn't like, actually all that rude by contemporary standards. Like, she said she might have asked Sousa to resign, but she didn't imply Sousa was a fat, bloodthirsty idiot whose head is so far up her arse she couldn't save the ships donated to her by the Federation, etc.I will chime in and say that having mostly just read the updates, when I started following the discussion I was really, really surprised at the level of hate for cat president. She just seemed like someone who had different priorities from Starfleet and was a little blunt about it. Like, not even antagonistic to Starfleet, just not super in love with it like the expansionists were.
One of these days, I'll find a good excuse to write a Horta or two in Starfleet. I think there was one in TAS, and their certainly was ensign Naraht in the novels. He should have gotten some promotions since.
Edit: Memory Beta says just the books, but at least he was recurring there, and made lt. or lt. Cmdr. In TOS book era.
Part of this omake was me going back and realizing N'Gir isn't like, actually all that rude by contemporary standards.
I wonder how hard we'd have to omake to get a panel with not a single Federation-main-species individual on it. I'm handling Mipek. We've got a Horta. I bet we could get a Lamarck if we tried hard enough; just say that someone was partying too hard and downed a course of nootropics instead of something party-ish. That's three. Hmm. That energy being that the Odyssey found living in a gas giant? An uplifted micro-macrocosmozoa? Gorn? Klingons are a bit overdone, but maybe a Romulan or a Cardassian?
I wonder how hard we'd have to omake to get a panel with not a single Federation-main-species individual on it. I'm handling Mipek. We've got a Horta. I bet we could get a Lamarck if we tried hard enough; just say that someone was partying too hard and downed a course of nootropics instead of something party-ish. That's three. Hmm. That energy being that the Odyssey found living in a gas giant? An uplifted micro-macrocosmozoa? Gorn? Klingons are a bit overdone, but maybe a Romulan or a Cardassian?
...Why must you crush my memes like this. ;__;
I dunno, do we want to get into the whole thing of is Sulu in TBG gay/bi/het?
I mean, probably at least bi given that Demora exists?I dunno, do we want to get into the whole thing of is Sulu in TBG gay/bi/het?
Adoption, surrogacy, trans male parent ... Artificial womb?
Remember, Enterprise crewmember. Space magic mpreg.
One of these days, I'll find a good excuse to write a Horta or two in Starfleet. I think there was one in TAS, and their certainly was ensign Naraht in the novels. He should have gotten some promotions since.
Edit: Memory Beta says just the books, but at least he was recurring there, and made lt. or lt. Cmdr. In TOS book era.