To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

pheonix89 · Jul 12, 2017

We REALLY need two more foriegn analysis teams.

Minimum.

With Lone Ranger finished we can use the Tiger team for analysis, but we need to shunt tactical command over to an offensive doctrine which leaves us with four plausibly hostile nearby major powers and one analysis team.

I'd prefer to have a full time team on every single major power, friendly or otherwise, but I'm not even sure if ISC/Horizon Analysis are options for now. But we definitely need to have Cardassian, Klingon and Romulan Analysis running full-time.

Steven Kodaly · Jul 12, 2017

[X][PRIORITY] Apiata should improve Bulk Cargo shipping in long term
More freight capacity is never wrong.

[X][UES] Build new Miranda-A
More hull platforms are never wrong, either.

[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
Battlewagons, ho!

[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project
More resources for the Federation's membership? This translates into more hull platforms; we have already established this as never wrong.

[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)
I think we all know the refrain by now:
Never. Wrong.

Derek58 · Jul 12, 2017

[X][PRIORITY] Apiata should improve Bulk Cargo shipping in long term
[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior
[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project
[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)

Aeondrac · Jul 12, 2017

[X][UES] Refit the United Earth'sExcelsior

[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2

[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)

[X][RIGEL] Decline

kyuden · Jul 12, 2017

[X][UES] Build new Miranda-A
I know everyone favours the refit, but I am hesitant to take a ship out of operation at this time. We've been advised that Starfleet is planning an offensive in the GBZ to reduce Cardassian ability to influence the Sydraxians. Anytime a major military operation is planned it has the potential to spin out of control. As such I think it's better for the UESPA to hold off on taking their Excelsior out of commission until after the GBZ military operation has concluded and the shockwaves have settled. So I prefer to let them build their last planned Miranda-A before they do the refit.

[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)
[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)

MonkeyTypewriter · Jul 12, 2017

[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior
[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)
[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)

TyrialFrost · Jul 12, 2017

[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)

Im just annoyed we can't take this option ten more times. With 20 idle yards you would think they could get more berths free.

nocarename · Jul 12, 2017

TyrialFrost said:
Im just annoyed we can't take this option ten more times. With 20 idle yards you would think they could get more berths free.

There's idle and there's idle for three years and 1mton or bigger. Starfleet exists to serves the ends of the Federation, not vice versa.

ClawClawBite · Jul 12, 2017

[X][PRIORITY] Apiata should improve Bulk Cargo shipping in long term
[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior
[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project
[X][RIGEL] Decline

Saving up to try to buy a new major aux yard.

Jrin · Jul 12, 2017

[X][PRIORITY] Apiata should improve Bulk Cargo shipping in long term

[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior

[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2

[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)

[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)

Briefvoice · Jul 12, 2017

Forgothrax said:
... Why would we avoid pushes? Affiliating a species gets us an extra 0.15 recruitment and a small drip of other resources. Just affiliating other species won't hurt us expansion wise, given that it would take 20 IC years to get one to membership unless we pushed them further.

The instant a species becomes even a level 100 affiliate we suddenly have an obligation to defend them. Their problems become our problems.

Forgothrax · Jul 12, 2017

Briefvoice said:
The instant a species becomes even a level 100 affiliate we suddenly have an obligation to defend them. Their problems become our problems.

And as demonstrated by the pre-approval species we encounter, we don't always need affiliation to have someone else's problems become our own.

Moreover, we're the Federation. About as square on the side of "good" as you're likely to find in the realm of fiction. I don't want to play a Federation that stands to the side wringing it's hands and letting the little guy get beat up because we didn't sign a treaty with them.

The words "that's your problem" belong in a Cardassian mouth. Not ours.

pbluekan · Jul 13, 2017

@OneirosTheWriter any chance you could link the major spreadsheets on the fleet status page?

Forgothrax said:
Moreover, we're the Federation. About as square on the side of "good" as you're likely to find in the realm of fiction. I don't want to play a Federation that stands to the side wringing it's hands and letting the little guy get beat up because we didn't sign a treaty with them.

I agree, but remember that the canon Federation already does a lot of hand wringing. We have, as well. Recall Cardassian influence in the incident that turned the Sydraxians against us? Remember Bajor? Sometimes a little handwringing is part of politics and diplomacy.

You can't always take the action you want to.

nocarename · Jul 13, 2017

Forgothrax said:
And as demonstrated by the pre-approval species we encounter, we don't always need affiliation to have someone else's problems become our own.

Moreover, we're the Federation. About as square on the side of "good" as you're likely to find in the realm of fiction. I don't want to play a Federation that stands to the side wringing it's hands and letting the little guy get beat up because we didn't sign a treaty with them.

Objectively, the setting of Star Trek is pretty horrible.
Transsapiency is difficult and likely to cause your civilization to come to a bad end.
Most species and civilizations make it through the Great Filters to warp travel by the skin of their teeth if they make it at all.
Cultural uplift is hard enough to be impractical without demolishing the upliftee in all practical cultural senses.
Empire after empire has fallen into the dustbin of history only for the next to take its place.
Violent and paranoid single species empires stand up as the next entry into history, when they aren't multi-species caste systems or aggressively recruiting hiveminds.
(And the paranoia is not unfounded. All manner of beings shift their shape, posses and manipulate everyone they encounter. Space is wondrous but never safe.)

And then in the middle of all this one small bundle of species decided that this would not stand. That an alliance of convenience against a common foe would be more.

And that they would welcome more peoples to that state as full and equal members.
Look at it. It is spit in the face of eternity absurd.

That my friends is the Federation. It's a mad dream that stood up and made itself real.
Even now, if only in our hearts.

Forgothrax · Jul 13, 2017

pbluekan said:
I agree, but remember that the canon Federation already does a lot of hand wringing. We have, as well. Recall Cardassian influence in the incident that turned the Sydraxians against us? Remember Bajor? Sometimes a little handwringing is part of politics and diplomacy.

You can't always take the action you want to.

The Federation is defined as a polity that does it's best to live up to high ideals. Things may not be possible in line with our ideals, or even realistic. That doesn't mean we should avoid situations that require us to walk the walk just so we can avoid difficulty.

I believe in a Federation of optimism and high ideals. And I believe we should try to live up to them. Bring your affiliate candidates! It is for us to lift our lamp at the golden door.

TyrialFrost · Jul 13, 2017

Forgothrax said:
The words "that's your problem" belong in a Cardassian mouth. Not ours.

There's "good" and there's UFP Galaxy Police, sticking their beaks into others spheres of influence and constantly at war with all the non-aligned states we interfere with.

nocarename said:
There's idle and there's idle for three years and 1mton or bigger. Starfleet exists to serves the ends of the Federation, not vice versa.

There are smaller ships, and Aux ships that can be completed within two years, the entire coordination office exists to help us massage out timetables to create these opportunities. Just saying that 1/20 idle berths is incredibly disappointing, and I guarantee that next year they won't be filling those 19 berths.

nocarename · Jul 13, 2017

TyrialFrost said:
There are smaller ships, and Aux ships that can be completed within two years, the entire coordination office exists to help us massage out timetables to create these opportunities. Just saying that 1/20 idle berths is incredibly disappointing, and I guarantee that next year they won't be filling those 19 berths.

In all fairness to Tellar, their free berth is literally too small to build anything we want in at all. Even Cargo ships are bigger than what they have loose.
And, as I said earlier, I expect that the Catians are keeping their berths free to push the damaged parts of their Swammers back into working shape. I also expect that there are deals being cut behind closed doors to guarantee repair berth time if needed for the larger ships in the Gabriel Expanse as T'Lorel gets ready to be aggressive.

Is it the build I would have scheduled with complete freedom? No. Will I trust the NPC that this is the best deal that could be made along several axises? Yup.

lbmaian · Jul 13, 2017

Given what we know of Starfleet Logistics Command's budget from the Shipyard Ops vote, that 5pp may actually not be the political dewlmaking to convince the member fleet for access time; it could just be the political cost of marshalling the resource acquisitions for constructing that freighter.

lbmaian · Jul 13, 2017

nocarename said:
And then in the middle of all this one small bundle of species decided that this would not stand. That an alliance of convenience against a common foe would be more.

And that they would welcome more peoples to that state as full and equal members.
Look at it. It is spit in the face of eternity absurd.

We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

(I know you're excluding hiveminds, but what's so wrong about them? They're like the extreme communist wet dream that human biology just couldn't hope to aspire to... until now

)

UbeOne · Jul 13, 2017

"The Federation is worse than the Borg, for the Borg are upfront with their assimilating, while you guys do it so subtly, everyone loves you for it!"

MTB · Jul 13, 2017

UbeOne said:
"The Federation is worse than the Borg, for the Borg are upfront with their assimilating, while you guys do it so subtly, everyone loves you for it!"

"Everyone is free to leave. It's not our fault no one wants to."

UberJJK · Jul 13, 2017

Since it's getting to be around the time Oneiros usually calls the vote:
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 2327 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 58176-58270]
##### NetTally 1.9.9

Task: UES

[x][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior
No. of Votes: 37

[X][UES] Build new Miranda-A
No. of Votes: 8

Leila Hann
Chimeraguard
cokerpilot
Gingganz
kyuden
lbmaian
Night
Steven Kodaly

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Task: RIALA

[x][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
No. of Votes: 47

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Task: SR

[x][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)
No. of Votes: 46

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Task: RIGEL

[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)
No. of Votes: 41

[X][RIGEL] Decline
No. of Votes: 7

Nix
Aeondrac
AlphaDelta
ClawClawBite
Nervos Belli
UberJJK
Void Stalker

——————————————————————————————————————————————
Task: PRIORITY

[X][PRIORITY] Apiata should improve Bulk Cargo shipping in long term
No. of Votes: 31

[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
No. of Votes: 2

Void Stalker
HearthBorn

Total No. of Voters: 49

After all it's not like the winner of any of the Tasks is going to change at this point.

AKuz · Jul 13, 2017

UbeOne said:
"The Federation is worse than the Borg, for the Borg are upfront with their assimilating, while you guys do it so subtly, everyone loves you for it!"

EDDINGTON DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!

Gravitas Hunt · Jul 13, 2017

I realised today that we are playing as the Commander of a supranational organisation, reporting to a Council of those nations, and one of whose duties is defending those same from external threats. It seems we're Starfleet COMmand...

Ato · Jul 13, 2017

Gravitas Hunt said:
I realised today that we are playing as the Commander of a supranational organisation, reporting to a Council of those nations, and one of whose duties is defending those same from external threats. It seems we're Starfleet COMmand...

Stesk is of course the shadowy council spokesman.

"Hello Commander..."

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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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