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@OneirosTheWriter an EC ship committed to the Caldonian matter would still get events every quarter, just all of them starting in the KBZ and most focused on the Caldonians, right? Or would it effectively be demoted to a normal garrison ship?
 
[X][CAL] Lobby the Council (Andorians can serve as emergency responders to failed event responses in Caldonian space (-15pp)
[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)
[X][CATS] 1 Excelsior, 3 Swarmers
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors en masse to the new Explorer Corps Excelsior
 
Nix said:
@OneirosTheWriter an EC ship committed to the Caldonian matter would still get events every quarter, just all of them starting in the KBZ and most focused on the Caldonians, right? Or would it effectively be demoted to a normal garrison ship?
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It would still generate its turns, the events would just be forced to be Caldonian in nature.
 
chriswriter90 said:
Yes to everything!

Question. Is the design for the Vulcan Constellation-A ready? I feel like the Betazeds could use at least one.
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It may be too big for their light-ship berths, but I'm sure they'll consider the design once they're done with their Rennie flagship in what is (for them) their heavy-ship berth.

Forgothrax said:
The trade and the cargo ship deals are gimmes. 100sr and 4pp each for cargo ships is a no-brainer. Is there anyone we should interest in the GBZ?
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Uh... the other cost of those cargo ship deals may be Apiata Stingers that don't get built in time to fight the Cardassians.

MTB said:
At the bottom of a deep well.

Why won't the Apiata trade with the Gaeni?
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Because the Gaeni are even farther away from Apinae but very close to the Federation's largest Starfleet shipbuilding node? Because the Gaeni offered Starfleet first dibs on their supply of SR as gratitude for us bailing them out of what could have been an ugly war?

Forgothrax said:
Honestly, I'm not sure we will want to build anything that's 5MT. The build times will be insane, since even a 3mt takes 4.75-5.75yr to build. The extra weight may not even be necessary, either
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We might want the option. Furthermore, advancing ship construction technology is probably going to make things build faster.

I'd rather have a five-megaton berth and never build five-megaton ships than never have the berth and never have the option. Especially if we're looking at really first-rate TNG-era opponents that have learned to build Excelsior-sized 'pure war' ships, and against whom we need either much bigger ships, or battleship-type combatants built to the same scale as theirs.

With the 230kt left in the heavy Amby design and burst launchers I'm pretty sure I could get +1 C,S,P (maybe L) on the Amby as it is. Given 2mt and at least 2, maybe 3 milestone tech advances plus T4-5 techs(phaser arrays, Isolinear computers, quantum torpedoes) the resulting stats will be not only insanely high, but insanely expensive. It wouldn't surprise me if the ship ended up being a 450sr, 10/10/10 crewing monstrosity. And that's a lot of eggs to put in one basket.
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By the TNG era, that level of resource/crew commitment may not seem like such a big deal.
 
[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
[X][CAL] Ignore
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)
[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Heavy Stingers
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] USS Courageous, USS Sarek, USS Tarrak

Nothing to change in member priorities, and we are getting the Caitians into the GBZ this year. Give the other members a chance to recover. Plus Rigel is going to be pushing out! Go Turtles we love your ships (or at least I love their ultra durable designs). More cargo ships is great and it sounds like with this we will start 4 for Starfleet this turn. We have an excess of BR so getting some sweet SR is always good. Fathership for the Cats since they are the support ship for the Swarmers.

Now for the Enterprise, Courageous and Sarek so we have 2 Elite ships. Tarrak is the new EC ship launching next year and starting at blooded would be huge. Voshov is already close to gaining experience (only needs 7 events, will need to see how many the passed last year).
 
The internet is a magical place.


Now all she does is... well, more of the same at a higher rank, I suppose :V
 
[X][CAL] Lobby the Council (Andorians can serve as emergency responders to failed event responses in Caldonian space (-15pp)
[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)
[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Heavy Stingers
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors en masse to the new Explorer Corps Excelsior
 
So is the current plan for the Enterprise B crew to throw them in another Exelcior then put em in the Enterprise C when it's done?
 
Amarki - 245 - 220 - 5.25 - 9 - 6
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Dat Amarki Income!!!! Seriously, that can't be coming easily. That's insane. I actually worry about the stability of their government. Sure the Amarki people like a good fight, but sooner or later the population is going to wonder why they have to sacrifice like they're in a war so that their government can have the satisfaction of having the biggest space dick.

[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]

[X][CAL] Ignore
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)

All of this seems logical for the reasons already stated. With the Odyssey on the case, I'm more comfortable ignoring the Andorians desire to muck around in the KBZ. Also, we're probably going to be building a Starbase in the KBZ this turn as well.

[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp

All right... sure.

[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br

No brainer.

[X][CATS] 1 Excelsior, 3 Swarmers

I don't care a lot, but I'm going to buck the crowd on this one. I think having an extra Excelsior in the GBZ will provide needed flexibility over a Fathership + Swarmer.

[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer

Someone wants to build Patrollers? Eh, sure. Not exactly a military threat there.

[X][itBEE] Exchange resources with the Orion

Let's get the Orion economy jumpstarted.

EDIT: Convinced to change my vote on crew.

[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] Courageous, Odyssey, Tarrak
 
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Forgothrax said:
The trade and the cargo ship deals are gimmes. 100sr and 4pp each for cargo ships is a no-brainer. Is there anyone we should interest in the GBZ?
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Not right now for the GBZ, the 3 biggest member navies (in terms of combat score) are either there or deploying there. Amarkia and caitians are in the 70s, Apiata is 116, next highest are Indorians and Rigellians in the 50s. Humans lost enough ships that they need to recover. Indorians I feel need the ships their to watch the Cardassians (Apiata is twice the Indorians so have more leeway) and Rigel is going to be exploring and expanding in their area of space (hope they find good success, more Mega Tortises would be great). If we can get the Caldonian situation in hand this year I would ask the Andorians and Humans to come as a joint task force, maybe see if the Tellarites and Vulcans are interested as well.

Simon_Jester said:
Uh... the other cost of those cargo ship deals may be Apiata Stingers that don't get built in time to fight the Cardassians.
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Not quite, they have a total of 8 berths that can build stingers. They have 2 under construction and just finished another 2. Even handing off 2 of their berths that still leaves them with 6 berths that can construct more stingers, which only take 2 years. And Cargo ships are 2 years (between cargo and freighter one is 2 year and one is 3 year, I think cargo is smaller so they are the 2 year ship)
 
[X][PRIORITY] Change Betazoid Long Term Priority to "Second One-Megaton Berth."

[ ][CAL] Lobby the Council (Andorians can serve as emergency responders to failed event responses in Caldonian space (-15pp)
[X][CAL] Ignore

[ ][EC] Push back against the request (-10pp)
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)

[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
[ ][LOG] Decline

[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[ ][GAENI] Decline

[ ][CATS] 1 Excelsior, 3 Swarmers
[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers

[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[ ][REN] Block the tech transfer

[ ][BEE] Heavy Stingers
[ ][BEE] Exchange resources with the Qloathi
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion

[ ][ENTER] Send the survivors en masse to the new Explorer Corps Excelsior
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] USS Courageous, USS Odyssey, USS Tarrak
Adhoc vote count started by Random Member on Jun 11, 2017 at 11:05 AM, finished with 56 posts and 22 votes.
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[X][CAL] Ignore

[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out: USS Voshov

This seems like the ideal mission to level up a green explorer in relative safety (events that would destroy the ship seem comparatively unlikely, and diplomatic disasters are unlikely to do anything worse than delay Caldonian accession, which isn't really critical), and Demora Sulu's bonuses are relevant. Mbeki's bonuses are also relevant so the Odyssey is also a reasonable choice, but keeping the Voshov relatively safe without needing to assign Enterprise crew and using experience inefficiently seems to be the better choice.

[X][LOG] Decline
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion

[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] Odyssey
-[X] Sarek
-[X] Courageous

Mostly based on xp efficiency, leveling up to elite taking the longest and the Odyssey having leveled up the most recently.
 
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[X][PRIORITY] Change Betazoid Long Term Priority to "Second One-Megaton Berth."
[X][CAL] Ignore
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)
[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion

No real opinion on Enterprise Crew.
 
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[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
[X][CAL] Ignore
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)
[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] USS Courageous, USS Odyssey, USS Tarrak
 
Binge-Reader said:
So is the current plan for the Enterprise B crew to throw them in another Exelcior then put em in the Enterprise C when it's done?
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Uh... no. Very no. We MIGHT do that, but it's not "the plan."

The survivors of the USS Enterprise need to be redeployed, and there are two schools of thought involved.
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[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] Pick three ships to give +1 Crew Rating

Originally I wanted to vote for Sarek, but it occurs to me that Sarek is probably closer to hitting Elite naturally than Courageous, so the same argument applies there that does for Odyssey vs. S'harien or Atuin, or for Voshov vs. Tarrak.
 
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[X][CAL] Ignore
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)
[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Heavy Stingers
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] USS Courageous, USS Sarek, USS Tarrak
 
Okay, consolidating my votes.

[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out: Voshov
[X][LOG] Decline
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion

[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] Pick three ships to give +1 Crew Rating: Courageous, Odyssey, Tarrak

I'll re-explain my reasoning in a sec.
 
I don't have a strong opinion on the CAL or CATS vote. I agree with Nix's reasoning regarding specific choices of Explorer Corps ships. The Gaeni trade is a complete no-brainer; the "REN" vote on whether to share Betazoid Patroller designs with the Caldonians frankly is too.

The votes where there's some room for debate in my opinion are LOG and BEE.

I consider getting the Orion economy up and running a high priority and encouraging trade between the Orions and various Federation members to be highly desirable. If the Apiata have spare resources, trading them to the Orions specifically seems like a good idea. I don't want to neglect the Qloathi, but the Orions are both closer to Apiata space and in more economic trouble.

On the LOG vote, basically I want every Stinger I can get. I want the Apiata to maximize their fighting strength; if I thought the 'Heavy Stinger' idea was of key importance I'd be voting accordingly on BEE for that exact reason. If it were almost any other species in Federation space that had those berths open, I'd support T'Faer in wanting to 'borrow' the berths for cargo ship construction. But that's because there is no Federation member species anywhere in our space that needs warships more than the Apiata.

The strength of the Apiata fleet is a cornerstone of our strategy against Cardassia, because it means that flank is relatively secure against Cardassian attack. We have enough trouble worrying about the security of Indoria, which has a weaker fleet and is in a more exposed location. I don't want to compromise Apiata fleet strength. I want them powerful enough to defend themselves against any Cardassian fleet that is likely to attack them, and hopefully even powerful enough to contribute significantly to counteroffensives or relief expeditions in other areas.

Therefore I do not want to set the precedent of using Apiata yards for our auxiliary construction. Anywhere else, yes. There, no.
 
[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
[X][CAL] Ignore
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)
[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] USS Courageous, USS Odyssey, USS Tarrak
 
Simon_Jester said:
It may be too big for their light-ship berths, but I'm sure they'll consider the design once they're done with their Rennie flagship in what is (for them) their heavy-ship berth.
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The Betazoids are building Centaur-As, which are 100 t heavier and 5 m longer than Constellations.

So, how is this for a proposed Action?

[ ][PRIORITY] Betazoid Constellation-As instead of Centaur-As.

Obviously it could be worded better or more clearly.
 
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[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
[X][CAL] Ignore
not sure about this!
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)
[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
again not sure but sounds fine to me
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers (?)
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion (Q why can it not be minor deal too both?)
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] USS Courageous, USS Odyssey, USS Tarrak (all of the yes
 
chriswriter90 said:
The Betazoids are building Centaur-As, which are 100 t heavier and 5 m longer than Constellations.

So, how is this for a proposed Action?

[ ][PRIORITY] Betazoid Constellation-As instead of Centaur-As.

Obviously it could be worded better or more clearly.
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I'm talking about their 400kt berths. The Patroller fits in a berth that tiny. Almost nothing else in civilized space would. This is not to say the Betazoids can't or shouldn't build Constellation-As, just that they'll still want to keep operating their Patroller fleet, at least until they have enough megaton berths to support the ship sizes Starfleet normally uses. Right now they have ONE such berth, you see.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Neither will a new Heavy Stinger design, nor is it likely to got in the old Stinger berths.
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Yes, but that doesn't mean the Apiata should refrain from building more of their existing "Stinger Mk II" design in the berths that can accommodate them.

...Hm. Okay, looking at the numbers, the Apiata are actually running down their resource stockpiles. They have an ample supply of crew, and bulk resources, but the SR reserve they have only covers about two Stingers and then is gone, while their yearly income only covers about two more. Under the circumstances, maybe I can see my way clear to letting T'Faer borrow two Apiata berths, since if the Apiata actually did start four new Stingers this year they wouldn't have enough resources left over to start more than two next year anyway, unless I'm misreading the numbers Oneiros gave us.

I can see why they want to try and design more BR-heavy ships and engage in resource trading; they are even more starkly limited by special resources than we are, I think.
 
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