UbeOne
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She's a seamstress, so...
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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AKuz
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Perhaps I should just leave you in suspense!
> : |
On the other hand I am getting ready to run an Honerverse quest using Saganami Island Tactical Simulator in places. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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... Call me interested.
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AKuz
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(Hi interested!)
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I've brought it up before but I'm (together with the invaluable help of @Simon_Jester ) putting together my idea for an Honerverse AU quest where due to Honor's mother marrying a Havenite doctor instead of a Manticorian Valor Villenueve is a Havenite Naval officer and no one has ever heard of [Important Titles]x12 Honor Harrington [Important Capital Letters]x11.
Character generation will entail me going "YOU ONLY GET A COUPLE OF HONOR'S SUITE OF BULLSHIT ABILITIES" and "PICK CHARACTER FLAWS THAT I WILL TREAT LIKE CHARACTER FLAWS"
So far I've been rereading the mainline series up to Ashes of Victory (And deciding that nothing later than that is something I care to include or view as canon for the purposes of quest) and having just had my copy of SITS returned to me I'm refamiliarizing myself woth how it's played so that I can use that for the ship to ship combat. That and plotting and whatnot because I'm the sort of QM/GM that likes to go into things with my ducks in a row.
Also: Right now I'm trying to decide if I'm just going to arbitrarily assert that all ships look more like serrated arrowheads than spacegoing dildos > : P
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[X][WG] A Fleet Battle (Cost 2pp/Explorer, 1pp/Cruiser, 1pp/2 Escorts)
-[X] Goal: Improve coordination between Federation GBZ forces against Cardassians (some tactical bonus of some sort?)
-[X] "Union" side: Hebrinda [Hebrinda-A, Kaldar analog] + Republic [Connie-B, Jaldun analog] + Challorn [blooded Constellation, Combat Takaaki analog] + Yukikaze [blooded Centaur-A in neighboring Apinae sector, Combat Takaaki analog] - totals C18 H12 L16
-[X] "Confederation" side: Abhriec [Riala] + Telzziadriz [Little Queenship] + Gerzzi [Stinger] + Triada [Stinger] - totals C18 H9 L20
-[X] Cost: 1*2 explorer, 3*1 cruisers, 4/2 frigate (treating Challorn as a frigate since it's being used as one here) = 7pp
I was gonna vote for this too, but the vote was closed when the suggestion was made, and i read it
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Speaking of me posting half cocked, WOW is there a lot to unpack from the above posts.. tho i have to say, 16.1whatever hrs for a vote period might not give people on the end of the spectrum a chance to debate much, merely dogpile on another major bandwagon. not sure if you can include that consideration in yer calcs too?
-[X] Goal: Improve coordination between Federation GBZ forces against Cardassians (some tactical bonus of some sort?)
-[X] "Union" side: Hebrinda [Hebrinda-A, Kaldar analog] + Republic [Connie-B, Jaldun analog] + Challorn [blooded Constellation, Combat Takaaki analog] + Yukikaze [blooded Centaur-A in neighboring Apinae sector, Combat Takaaki analog] - totals C18 H12 L16
-[X] "Confederation" side: Abhriec [Riala] + Telzziadriz [Little Queenship] + Gerzzi [Stinger] + Triada [Stinger] - totals C18 H9 L20
-[X] Cost: 1*2 explorer, 3*1 cruisers, 4/2 frigate (treating Challorn as a frigate since it's being used as one here) = 7pp
I was gonna vote for this too, but the vote was closed when the suggestion was made, and i read it
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Speaking of me posting half cocked, WOW is there a lot to unpack from the above posts.. tho i have to say, 16.1whatever hrs for a vote period might not give people on the end of the spectrum a chance to debate much, merely dogpile on another major bandwagon. not sure if you can include that consideration in yer calcs too?
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Well, I was suggesting 16-24.
16 hours seems like a minimum, which at least means people in just about every time zone would have a chance to see either the beginning, the middle, or the end of the vote debate process. Hopefully. 24 hours seems more reasonable in general.
16 hours seems like a minimum, which at least means people in just about every time zone would have a chance to see either the beginning, the middle, or the end of the vote debate process. Hopefully. 24 hours seems more reasonable in general.
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Tag me when you do. Love the setting.
AKuz
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Ok. Will do.
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I should probably make a list.
This has happened before and I've probably forgotten the people that have already told me that.
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A list would be good.
Either a straight cylinder from end to end, or a tapered cigar-shape from end to end; doesn't matter.
Then build up the 'superstructure' Weber actually DOES canonically put on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the cylinder. Play your cards right and you wind up with something that at least stops bearing an uncanny resemblance to a sex toy, even if it doesn't necessarily look good.
The real aesthetic killer is the combination of the 'hammerheads' at the ends of the tapered cylinder, combined with the lack of structural features besides said tapered cylinder. That's not hard to fix even while respecting the basic rules of Honorverse design; the problem isn't the rules, it's that Weber probably didn't sit down and think about "oh my god my ships look like WHAT" until he was already eight novels in.
If you really want to fix the aesthetics of Honorverse warships, all you have to do is give the hull uniform lines from one end to the other- or at most make the impeller rings just be slightly recessed into narrow 'trenches' cut into what is otherwise a uniform hull.
Either a straight cylinder from end to end, or a tapered cigar-shape from end to end; doesn't matter.
Then build up the 'superstructure' Weber actually DOES canonically put on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the cylinder. Play your cards right and you wind up with something that at least stops bearing an uncanny resemblance to a sex toy, even if it doesn't necessarily look good.
The real aesthetic killer is the combination of the 'hammerheads' at the ends of the tapered cylinder, combined with the lack of structural features besides said tapered cylinder. That's not hard to fix even while respecting the basic rules of Honorverse design; the problem isn't the rules, it's that Weber probably didn't sit down and think about "oh my god my ships look like WHAT" until he was already eight novels in.
Thors_Alumni
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To be honesty I still haven't figured out what they look like even now.
AKuz
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Personally, If I really was going to "fix" the aesthetics, I'd widen the ships a bit more and make the top and bottom hull slip down Like a stretched hexagon and then the hammerhead are more of a flattened hilt on a sword thing. Sorta... chopping the bow and sides off of a couple of Star Destoryers and glueing them end to end.
NHO
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Can we establish if not research team, then grant into alternative FTL methods? Warp is good, and Great Experiment of transwarp failed, but there's other ways to get around from point to point, out of Einstein's cage. Bajoran lightsails with tachyons, for example. Big tachyon beam projection stations would make freighters cheaper on fixed routes and antimatter-independent, for example.
The things that's not necessary, but nice to have and very nice to know about, just in case.
The things that's not necessary, but nice to have and very nice to know about, just in case.
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Something like that was tried in a TNG episode, and the result was that the 'soliton wave' intended to propel the test ship wound up blowing up the test ship. And damn near blew up the planet the test ship was heading for.
It's also not clear that a system like this would actually be more cost-effective. I mean, is it worth spending 100 terawatt-hours of fusion-powered energy to avoid having to spend one terawatt-hour of antimatter-powered energy aboard a spaceship? We don't know enough about the Federation economy to say if that's actually a good idea.
This kind of theoretical research sounds like the sort of thing Starfleet wouldn't actually get involved in very much, though it might slip a little funding to the researchers' grant proposals. Remember, propulsion for freighters isn't our problem or our job. We're not running ALL of the Federation's scientific research programs here, just a large fraction of the ones with potential military applications.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
? not an experton Star Trek, but I though Warp is the only FTL there? What are these lightsails and how do they compare to warp? Never was a fan of being limited to a single FTL method, much less one that can be messed with.
Would probably take a LOT of research to make it competitive though.
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Good point.
Though the blowing up planet part seems pretty silly considering the energies that would have to be involed, but Start Trek. Nuff said. And Bajorans presumably dont have that problem.
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lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
I'd follow the quest along, although I'm not sure if I'll have the time (or rather, knowledge and research) to participate. I keep hearing things about how Honorverse goes to shit several books down the line, so that's disinclined me from reading the series.
aledeth
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Just had to point out that crew cost is quite wrong. The most capable Kepler design we've got running around is O-2 E-3 T-4, so your cost-benefit analysis is unfortunately misleading in that regard.
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Okay, to be completely honest, having finally gotten home to actually look things over, I simply completely forgot exactly when it was that I put the Tactical post up. As a result, I will reopen the wargame component of the vote, and it will stay open for 24 hours (after all, I don't have anything else to vote on in that time).
NHO
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Bajoran lightship Those light sails.
But yeah, the freighters were just an example. There are, according to Memory Alpha, at least three non-subspace based methods - tachyon FTL, see lightsails, graviton FTL, see the catapult from Voyager, and space-time manipulation ones, see quantum slipstream.
And Starfleet would be interested in a number of potential applications of all those technologies, one way or another.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
An FTL ship partialy made of wood. Facepalm.
The gravity catapult reminds me of the star trek squid empire quest (whose name I cant remember, but it starts with a K), and sounds very useful indeed, perhaps allowing FTL for ships without an FTL engines, which would be revolutionary for shipping and civilian purposes.
Space-time manipulation propulsion sounds like it would involve the mechanics of time travel. Maybe shortening the trip by time traveling to the time of departure? Sounds promising. And classified.
I was using the numbers lbmaian posted here:
Digging through the spreadsheet it turns out you are right and those numbers are inaccurate. Adjusting for that means 1 Kepler vs. 2 Miranda goes from:
Old Numbers:
Kepler: 100BR, 80SR, O-1, E-3, T-2
2 Miranda: 120BR, 80SR, O-2, E-4, T-2
To the new numbers of:
New Numbers:
Kepler: 100BR, 80SR, O-2, E-3, T-4
2 Miranda: 120BR, 80SR, O-2, E-4, T-2
So it's not as clear cut a victory for the Kepler. I don't think it really changes my point since SWB has run the number since then and a Science only Kepler clocks in at 75BR, 55SR, O-1, E-2, T-3 which is +15BR, +15SR, and +2T over a stock Miranda. That shows I was underestimating the cost of going with two separate ships to fulfill the same roles as a single Kepler. After all I doubt a dedicated fast escort (IE: Presence responder) would be much cheaper.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
Oops...
I was using the crew costs that I remembered from the new Amarki Heavy Frigate designs here and I conflated that and the Kepler.
Which makes total sense because I now recall the spreadsheet between tweaked so that the Kepler would have at least T-3 cost since the Oberth is T-4.
BTW, @UbeOne, can you threadmark that post?
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Enerael
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[X][WG] A Fleet Battle (Cost 2pp/Explorer, 1pp/Cruiser, 1pp/2 Escorts)
-[X] Goal: Improve coordination between Federation GBZ forces against Cardassians (some tactical bonus of some sort?)
-[X] "Union" side: Hebrinda [Hebrinda-A, Kaldar analog] + Republic [Connie-B, Jaldun analog] + Challorn [blooded Constellation, Combat Takaaki analog] + Yukikaze [blooded Centaur-A in neighboring Apinae sector, Combat Takaaki analog] - totals C18 H12 L16
-[X] "Confederation" side: Abhriec [Riala] + Telzziadriz [Little Queenship] + Gerzzi [Stinger] + Triada [Stinger] - totals C18 H9 L20
-[X] Cost: 1*2 explorer, 3*1 cruisers, 4/2 frigate (treating Challorn as a frigate since it's being used as one here) = 7pp
Should do a lot for our GBZ forces.
-[X] Goal: Improve coordination between Federation GBZ forces against Cardassians (some tactical bonus of some sort?)
-[X] "Union" side: Hebrinda [Hebrinda-A, Kaldar analog] + Republic [Connie-B, Jaldun analog] + Challorn [blooded Constellation, Combat Takaaki analog] + Yukikaze [blooded Centaur-A in neighboring Apinae sector, Combat Takaaki analog] - totals C18 H12 L16
-[X] "Confederation" side: Abhriec [Riala] + Telzziadriz [Little Queenship] + Gerzzi [Stinger] + Triada [Stinger] - totals C18 H9 L20
-[X] Cost: 1*2 explorer, 3*1 cruisers, 4/2 frigate (treating Challorn as a frigate since it's being used as one here) = 7pp
Should do a lot for our GBZ forces.