[X][SYO] Vice Admiral Valentina Sousa

[X][BUILD] Excelsior in San Francisco Fleet Yards
[X][BUILD] Oberth A in San Francisco Fleet Yards
[X][BUILD] Oberth B in 40 Eridani A Shipyards
[X][BUILD] Oberth C in 40 Eridani A Shipyards
 
[X][SYO] Vice Admiral Valentina Sousa

No idea about ship building, so not voting on that.
 
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Gellond Choss

[X][BUILD] Excelsior A in San Francisco Fleet Yards
[X][BUILD] Oberth A in San Francisco Fleet Yards
[X][BUILD] Oberth B in 40 Eridani A Shipyards
[X][BUILD] Oberth C in 40 Eridani A Shipyards

I don't think the Human is worth it, tbh.

Oh, and by the by, I just rolled the events up for ka'Sharren.

OH BOY

Also i wasn't able to comment earlier, but I think T'Lorel could give Nash a run for her money in the cowboy department. "Hello naughty children, it's nervepinch time."
 
Can you explain why you feel that Choss is?
Well, it's important to keep in mind that our characters are more than just the stats at the end of their bio. Something seems off about Sousa, in that she's clearly a politicker with that sort of PoliWill bonus, and she was close to getting our position in the past. The fact she's basically giving you a binary choice -- hire me or I retire, despite being younger than our other two candidates, speaks to some level of political arm-twisting. I get the feeling if we put her in charge of the Shipyards, she's going to eventually become a problem and gun for our post. This is in addition to the fact she is indeed the second human a human has appointed to a senior position. That's ample leverage for the council to suddenly get antsy and possibly force a candidate upon us.

For 5 extra will a year.

Yeah, pass. I'd actually have gone for the Andorian in case of a need for RUSH PRODUCTION, but I think reducing cost on prototype hulls on the Ambassador or later on the Defiant will serve us well in ensuring more rapid expansion and tech upgrade.

TL; DR: Sousa seems too good to be true, I suspect she's going to give us trouble; we're going to play into homo sapiens only club accusations.
 
[X][SYO] Vice Admiral Valentina Sousa

[X][BUILD] Excelsior in San Francisco Fleet Yards
[X][BUILD] Oberth A in San Francisco Fleet Yards
[X][BUILD] Oberth B in 40 Eridani A Shipyards
[X][BUILD] Oberth C in 40 Eridani A Shipyards
 
Well, it's important to keep in mind that our characters are more than just the stats at the end of their bio. Something seems off about Sousa, in that she's clearly a politicker with that sort of PoliWill bonus, and she was close to getting our position in the past. The fact she's basically giving you a binary choice -- hire me or I retire, despite being younger than our other two candidates, speaks to some level of political arm-twisting. I get the feeling if we put her in charge of the Shipyards, she's going to eventually become a problem and gun for our post. This is in addition to the fact she is indeed the second human a human has appointed to a senior position. That's ample leverage for the council to suddenly get antsy and possibly force a candidate upon us.

For 5 extra will a year.

Yeah, pass. I'd actually have gone for the Andorian in case of a need for RUSH PRODUCTION, but I think reducing cost on prototype hulls on the Ambassador or later on the Defiant will serve us well in ensuring more rapid expansion and tech upgrade.

TL; DR: Sousa seems too good to be true, I suspect she's going to give us trouble; we're going to play into homo sapiens only club accusations.
Both her having worked so hard to land this job and her retiring if not chosen is 100% explained by her CURRENTLY NOT HAVING A JOB, and this quite probably being the only job she is both qualified for and not way overranked for opening up in what might be easily a decade or more. And if we pick Choss she doesn't even have the option to accept an effective demotion and try to fill the opening at the San Francisco Fleet Yards (which she is probably qualified for, but who likes a demotion, and no one is picking the vote that would give her that option anyway). There is no reason to expect her to be qualified for Tactical or Operations, nor does she have a reason to think we'd pick her then whenever the current holders end up retiring. There isn't even any indication that her otherwise retiring is something she says rather than what everyone suspects she'd do because that's what they'd do in her place, I certainly would retire in that situation and try to find something else to do.

Nor is there any reason to think she has the ability to undermine us and be the effective leader of starfleet, if she had enough political pull for that she'd have been chosen for our job in the first place.
The federation council thinking that it is sensible to keep a skilled and relatively young vice admiral around in some capacity (as indicated by the +20 pp his year) rather than being upset another human female is chosen shouldn't be a reason for us to decide against her either.

[X][SYO] Vice Admiral Valentina Sousa
 
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Welp, I've been thinking about this. She does seem to good to be true though.... she explicitly fits into a slot that we've really wanted and gives us a bonus we need.

And we should, you know, stop appointing all women. And fill out our placements to the fourth Federation member species.

@Iron Wolf has been whispering in my ear, feeding my inborn paranoia. And now I'm wondering what she could possibly be up to. And that it might be safer to keep a clearly political officer with political clout (who we directly competed with) away from higher office.

On the other hand... what trouble could she get up to on the sidelines to trip us up if we effectively push her out of the fleet? She could very well end up being a public thorn in our side.

I'm tempted to keep our potential enemy close and well watched, bend her political maneuvering to protect herself as much as us.

This is mostly just Paranoid Romulan Political twistyness though, so take it with a grain of space salt.

EDIT: Why would she be /forced/ into retirement? not chooses to. But forced? does that mean that political enemies would come for her that she could only fend off by our slot or one slot down?!?!? [SUSPICION INTENSIFIES]
 
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When we start running into resentment for appointing too many humans we will start to see pp point cost attached to appointing more of them, that's something at the very core of what the political will mechanic is supposed to represent. So far the only politically questionable appointment we made is our Andorian Kirk. Starfleet being dominated by humans seems to be status quo anyway, both in canon and when looking at the old guard (about 50% human judging by names?)
 
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Is that 100% known or are you speculating?
If the "political will" mechanic doesn't even express political will why would it be named for that? It should be called "mandate" or something like that instead. I can't think of a single thing better fitting a mechanic called "political will" than representing resentment over perceived racist appointments.
 
You know what?

I'm keeping my vote for Admiral Sousa.

I don't want to see a former rival throwing shade on us in the media.

This business of being forced out at 52 is deeply suspicious, but she may have burned all her bridges and spent all her favours trying to get the chair that we're sitting in right now. So It might be a good idea to be magnanimous, the PP she's giving us might be her attempting to throw in with us in exchange for political protection. I'd rather not snub her. We have time to quota us some Tellarites and dudes later.

We should harness any ambition and political skill for our own use rather than risk it be turned against us.

/Romulan Reasoning
 
If the "political will" mechanic doesn't even express political will why would it be named for that? It should be called "mandate" or something like that instead. I can't think of a single thing better fitting a mechanic called "political will" than representing resentment over perceived racist appointments.
Well I don't know entirely what's happening in Oneiros' head, but I'm working on the assumption there could be narrative consequences separate from mechanics for taking certain courses of action.
 
EDIT: Why would she be /forced/ into retirement? not chooses to. But forced? does that mean that political enemies would come for her that she could only fend off by our slot or one slot down?!?!? [SUSPICION INTENSIFIES]
Didn't notice that before. Probably just that she can't be on indefinite sabbatical because starfleet regulations don't allow for that and doesn't currently have a job.
Well I don't know entirely what's happening in Oneiros' head, but I'm working on the assumption there could be narrative consequences separate from mechanics for taking certain courses of action.
Of course there are (like appointing an Andorian ambassador to the Amarki because an Andorian captain had such a positive impact with them), but that should be for consequences that are either not representable by existing mechanics or things that we wouldn't know in character. Neither of those applies here.
 
[X][SYO] Vice Admiral Valentina Sousa

[X][BUILD] Excelsior in San Francisco Fleet Yards
[X][BUILD] Oberth A in San Francisco Fleet Yards
[X][BUILD] Oberth B in 40 Eridani A Shipyards
[X][BUILD] Oberth C in 40 Eridani A Shipyards
 
Actually, on second thought I might change my vote to the boring Human, because looking at it, last year we ended up with 30 pp total. She'd just straight give us 2/3rds of that. /Every year/ and give that to us right now to spend on projects this coming year.
No, she'd give us straight up 2/3rds of that as a one-time bonus and then 1/6th of that yearly.

Still hella sweet.

edit: should finish catching up on discussion before posting, lol
 
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