NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Yeah, we really should have hid those better...
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[X] One Reaction Thruster, One Forward Cannon, One Aft (11 Industry -> 16 Industry)
It's a cargo ship, it's never going to outmaneuver a combat vessel. Spreading the guns out on it so that it can always shoot at the enemy means a Romulan can't just uncloak behind it and sit perfectly safe in its blind spot while blowing it up
It's a cargo ship, it's never going to outmaneuver a combat vessel. Spreading the guns out on it so that it can always shoot at the enemy means a Romulan can't just uncloak behind it and sit perfectly safe in its blind spot while blowing it up
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- his hidden lair
[X] One Reaction Thruster, One Forward Cannon, One Aft (11 Industry -> 16 Industry)
I don't know about the Earth Romulan war, or canonically whether it's fought with shitty freighters flinging missiles that somehow aren't obsolete like our spatial torpedoes. But I do know that naval buildups is a case of having to plan expenditures as far in advance as possible with the knowledge our plans can be kicked over on a dime. We do not have the industry to mass produce any ship. Especially if we want the industry to eventually make meaningful numbers.
I'm aware that you were the only one who referred to it as an auxiliary cruiser, but I consider you a persuasive advocate, and it's a compelling argument for a navy on a shoestring budget to try and use its limited hulls as much as possible.
Even if we only have 7 more years of naval production with no compounding production, that's something like 284 production. There's no realistic chance we're building more than 5 of these things at the moment and that's about third of our budget before growth or events. I think we'll probably settle for 4 over 4 years so the industry invested in both the stingrays and the freighters is freed up for more advanced warp 5 ships at the same time.
Listen, we have 4 years until the Stingray finishes production and presumably the NX starts. It's literally impossible for us to make more than 8 freighters before the Stingray is done and we have to reevaluate the entirety of our naval spending.
I don't know about the Earth Romulan war, or canonically whether it's fought with shitty freighters flinging missiles that somehow aren't obsolete like our spatial torpedoes. But I do know that naval buildups is a case of having to plan expenditures as far in advance as possible with the knowledge our plans can be kicked over on a dime. We do not have the industry to mass produce any ship. Especially if we want the industry to eventually make meaningful numbers.
Yes, but there's a difference between necessity forcing a total commitment, and planning around these guys being a cornerstone of any war footing as opposed to a supplementary force.
I'm aware that you were the only one who referred to it as an auxiliary cruiser, but I consider you a persuasive advocate, and it's a compelling argument for a navy on a shoestring budget to try and use its limited hulls as much as possible.
I'm aware, that was more intended to highlight the impossibility of these freighters being a major part of our naval order of battle.
Even if we only have 7 more years of naval production with no compounding production, that's something like 284 production. There's no realistic chance we're building more than 5 of these things at the moment and that's about third of our budget before growth or events. I think we'll probably settle for 4 over 4 years so the industry invested in both the stingrays and the freighters is freed up for more advanced warp 5 ships at the same time.
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- Washington State, USA
[X] Two Impulse Thrusters (Prototype), Two Forward Phase Cannons (11 Industry -> 19 Industry)
We need these thrusters sooner than later, so we might as well take them now.
We need these thrusters sooner than later, so we might as well take them now.
Legion0047
Retired Shadowrunner.
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- Austria
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[X] One Reaction Thruster, One Forward Cannon, One Aft (11 Industry -> 16 Industry)
Okay, Skippy convinced me. This could become an excellent Q-Ship as a secondary role in convoys.
[X] Two Impulse Thrusters, Two Forward Phase Cannons (11 Industry -> 19 Industry)
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- Outside the Box
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[X] One Reaction Thruster, One Forward Cannon, One Aft (11 Industry -> 16 Industry)
If we need to, we could refit these with impulse thrusters in the future. And every unused point of Industry doubles itself every 5 years, so we should have the spare capacity to do so.
If we need to, we could refit these with impulse thrusters in the future. And every unused point of Industry doubles itself every 5 years, so we should have the spare capacity to do so.
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- in between
[X] One Reaction Thruster, One Forward Cannon, One Aft (11 Industry -> 16 Industry)
2148: Project Zheng He (Order)
[X] One Reaction Thruster, One Forward Cannon, One Aft (11 Industry -> 16 Industry)
While the temptation is there to make the ship more agile and better able to defend itself, the reality is that such a capability is probably better saved for a more heavily armed ship. The Zheng He will have to do with an aft phase cannon, which will hopefully suffice in persuading pirates to seek easier prey. You doubt it will always be successful given the dearth of targets for the marauders in deep space, but even one deterred attack would be a victory.
With that said and done the ship is now largely complete. Now she needs a name and United Earth Starfleet needs a recommended production schedule.
[ ] UES Zheng He, a Merchant-class starship line named after famous mercantile people.
[ ] UES Iowa, for the state where many of its new components were manufactured.
The name aside, the upcoming finalisation of the Warp 5 project is setting tongues wagging. With the final engine dimensions and specifications expected to be available in 2149, you can then start building a ship to take advantage of it. While the Warp 5 complex has its own separate funding to build the first ship of the class for a launch in 2151, anything afterwards will be drawing on your own resources. You should keep that in mind when suggesting an order for the Zheng He, and as a result you have elected to make a four-year order rather than the standard five-year. With the Stingray order ending in 2151 that should give you plenty to play with for the NX class.
[ ] Four Ships over Four Years (-16 Industry)
[ ] Six Ships over Four Years (-24 Industry)
[ ] Eight Ships over Four Years (-32 Industry)
Industry: 35
Two Hour Moratorium, Please
While the temptation is there to make the ship more agile and better able to defend itself, the reality is that such a capability is probably better saved for a more heavily armed ship. The Zheng He will have to do with an aft phase cannon, which will hopefully suffice in persuading pirates to seek easier prey. You doubt it will always be successful given the dearth of targets for the marauders in deep space, but even one deterred attack would be a victory.
With that said and done the ship is now largely complete. Now she needs a name and United Earth Starfleet needs a recommended production schedule.
[ ] UES Zheng He, a Merchant-class starship line named after famous mercantile people.
[ ] UES Iowa, for the state where many of its new components were manufactured.
The name aside, the upcoming finalisation of the Warp 5 project is setting tongues wagging. With the final engine dimensions and specifications expected to be available in 2149, you can then start building a ship to take advantage of it. While the Warp 5 complex has its own separate funding to build the first ship of the class for a launch in 2151, anything afterwards will be drawing on your own resources. You should keep that in mind when suggesting an order for the Zheng He, and as a result you have elected to make a four-year order rather than the standard five-year. With the Stingray order ending in 2151 that should give you plenty to play with for the NX class.
[ ] Four Ships over Four Years (-16 Industry)
[ ] Six Ships over Four Years (-24 Industry)
[ ] Eight Ships over Four Years (-32 Industry)
Industry: 35
Two Hour Moratorium, Please
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always_confused
Perpetually unwanted
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- SEA
[ ] UES Iowa, for the state where many of its new components were manufactured.
I'd rather save a storied name like Zheng He for something slightly more impressive than a Cargo Ship.
I'd rather save a storied name like Zheng He for something slightly more impressive than a Cargo Ship.
I like the name
we made it cheap so we could build a lot to supply cargo all across our colonies so let do so
On the flipside, using a state name for an up-gunned cargo trawler feels like a bit of a back-handed compliment to Iowa and other states used to name them - "you contributed enough we're naming a ship after your state, but it's only a small cheap cargo hauler".
If Zheng He is too important of a name to use for the lead-ship, perhaps it could be named the UES Adam Smith?