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zac1 said:
Say is there a possible downside of having the extra antimatter being that this is suppose to be a combat vessel, so extra antimatter means this ship would explode when its taken down.

Although its a big hefty craft with lots of shields so its moot but still.
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No, that is not a concern anymore than an antimatter or warp core containment breach on a ship without extra tanks is.

The biggest potential antimatter risk factor is probably the neutronic fuel storage tank, since it sits in a cargo bay and is likely a bit more difficult to simply eject, in addition to providing a larger profile.
 
Tank man said:
No, that is not a concern anymore than an antimatter or warp core containment breach on a ship without extra tanks is.

The biggest potential antimatter risk factor is probably the neutronic fuel storage tank, since it sits in a cargo bay and is likely a bit more difficult to simply eject, in addition to providing a larger profile.
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Yeah, I figured the extra antimatter makes it more explosive when its finally taken down, possibly destroying or damaging their attackers.
 
[ ] Spectral Analysis (+2 Science)

Probably won't win but it's literally what I've been arguing for so I'll see how it works out
 
Tank man said:
No, that is not a concern anymore than an antimatter or warp core containment breach on a ship without extra tanks is.

The biggest potential antimatter risk factor is probably the neutronic fuel storage tank, since it sits in a cargo bay and is likely a bit more difficult to simply eject, in addition to providing a larger profile.
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I mean, I don't think it would be that hard to design an ejection system for a tank that's designed to be removable in the first place. If anything it would be easier than building one for a tank that's supposed to be permanently affixed to the ship.

You just open the cargo doors and have an emergency reverse tractor system yeet the containers out into space.

I just realized that some Federation captain is going to be reprimanded for using an antimatter tank as an improvised antimatter explosive mine.
 
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TheShadowDeamon said:
Fair point, anyone have any idea how big Federation space is now?
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Doesn't even super matter; remember all the effort we put into future-proofing warp core configuration to make sure the entire Warp 8 generation of ships could be refit and serve capably into at least the Warp 9 and probably Warp 9.5 eras? The better question is "how big is the federation going to be in another eighty or hundred years?"
Wootius said:
Spectral analysis is anti-synergistic imo. [...] Meanwhile, as much as I hate it, antimatter makes us into a great border supply runner.
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Derpmind said:
Extra antimatter synerergizes with the big cargo bay.
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Yeahhhhhhh. Really does. Shame; deflector dish shenanigans are always fun.
Ash19256 said:
Not to mention, as I've noted earlier - that's probably range at efficient cruise, not maximum. By making Efficient Cruise cover that much distance, we're also increasing the distance the ship can cover at its maximum cruise without needing to be refueled, potentially drastically increasing the speed at which Federation-class ships generally move because Captains can decide to kick it up to maximum and just stay there for a while. And that's in and of itself very valuable for reasons I'm sure everyone is aware of.
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This is a super good point.
Fouredged Sword said:
I just realized that some Federation captain is going to be reprimanded for using an antimatter tank as an improvised antimatter explosive mine.
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ahahahahaha I can't wait 💥
 
Yeah, if the math works out that going adding going .2 over efficient cruise halves the fuel efficiency the extra antimatter has essentially given us back the .2 efficient cruise we could have gotten by going cruise nacelles. This ship just carries enough fuel that it can just peg it's speed to warp 7 without needing to worry about range.
 
Something tells me that if the conditions are similar enough to get a Star Trek VI scenario it's mostly going to be Federations and Excelsiors doing the Operation Retrieve raid, if it goes ahead. Unless we cook up some sort of super-Federation it's probably gonna be our second longest ranged ship outside of the explorer, and able to tank the fleet.
 
Ramble said:
A retractable station umbilical seems like it would be really useful.
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Yeah, my dream selection for the remaining modules would be a retractable umbilical in the back of the saucer paired with an oversized fabrication facility occupying the entire front half of the saucer. Basically allow a Federation to act as a baby Pharos out in deep space for any ship that needs it. You can refuel, resupply, do deep maintenance and repair, fabricating parts as needed, any ship anywhere.

Basically allow the ship to do anything short of structural repair of a ship in space. Anything done by crewmembers in Jeffries tubes working on a cold system able to do be done.
 
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Fouredged Sword said:
Yeah, my dream selection for the remaining modules would be a retractable umbilical in the back of the saucer paired with an oversized fabrication facility occupying the entire front half of the saucer. Basically allow a Federation to act as a baby Pharos out in deep space for any ship that needs it. You can refuel, resupply, do deep maintenance and repair, fabricating parts as needed, any ship anywhere.

Basically allow the ship to do anything short of structural repair of a ship in space. Anything done by crewmembers in Jeffries tubes working on a cold system able to do be done.
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I remain unconvinced your dream of a full umbilical is viable. It would only be able to extend so far while maintaining the minimum thickness needed for containment measures while transferring AM and having multi-hundred kiloton starships within at most a few dozen meters of each other while manuevering is sketchy as hell to me.
 
@Sayle I remember this argument occurring when we designed the offer but extra anti-matter tanks don't provide antimatter refueling capability beyond what a normal ship could do right?

Folks, the Federation is not that huge right now. If I recall correctly it is roughly 150-200 LY across. With its inherent fuel range, it can at least cross the entire Federation once, possibly even two times. We don't need to be able to do that 4 times. Adding the ability to conduct passive stellar surveys as it flies by is a no-brainer. Also where is this logistics ship memetic coming from? We added one cargo bay and we think this is now the Archer reborn? Its a multi-purpose heavy cruiser.

Also please recall the Attenborough is extremely specialized the the biological survey role, adding stellar survey would not be duplicating capabilities.
 
Honestly part of the reason to go for the antimatter tank is because it will support having the Federation roam around the colonies instead of being on the other side of the border. Between the pirates and the several polities that are going to be messing with the us, the Federation will be much more useful if it's doing things within the Federation then outside of it. We already have enough trouble that we don't need a non-explorer ship going out there looking for more.

Especially given the current deficit of ships Star Fleet currently has. Star Fleet needs all of the bang for its buck it can get and the Federation is already expensive. We made the Federation to be able to be speedy but the Spectral Analysis option is going to effectively decrease that due to the detours that will be necessary to get that to work.

I would like to add science to this ship, but I do not believe this is the way to go about it.
 
Endorfinator said:
@Sayle I remember this argument occurring when we designed the offer but extra anti-matter tanks don't provide antimatter refueling capability beyond what a normal ship could do right?
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No, the extra tanks don't provide a refueling capability. Although the cargo bay can provide that functionality if the ship is outfitted to do that before setting out on a mission, that doesn't draw from the range-extending antimatter pods.
 
A Slipspace Tree said:
Honestly part of the reason to go for the antimatter tank is because it will support having the Federation roam around the colonies instead of being on the other side of the border. Between the pirates and the several polities that are going to be messing with the us, the Federation will be much more useful if it's doing things within the Federation then outside of it. We already have enough trouble that we don't need a non-explorer ship going out there looking for more.

Especially given the current deficit of ships Star Fleet currently has. Star Fleet needs all of the bang for its buck it can get and the Federation is already expensive. We made the Federation to be able to be speedy but the Spectral Analysis option is going to effectively decrease that due to the detours that will be necessary to get that to work.

I would like to add science to this ship, but I do not believe this is the way to go about it.
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I'm going to be honest I don't see how increasing the range of the ship is going to incentive Starfleet to keep these within the border?

The text for the stellar scanner says it would be able to gather information by passing nearby unexplored systems or points of interest while maintaining its speed! There are tens of thousands of unexplored stars within the Federation's existing borders, we barely know anything about our own backyard.
 
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...Darn it I like deflector nonsense, BUT I swore to Yes, And whatever capacity we chose. And the boring option, the antimatter pods, is actually exactly what this ship calls for. Longer range doing support for colonies without needing resupply, longer running at Max Cruise.

What we're going to need for synergy with that is anything that gives us actual response capability in the systems we arrive at in a dramatic and timely manner.

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Endorfinator said:
In going to be honest I don't see how increasing the range of the ship is going to incentive Starfleet to keep these within the border?

The text for the stellar scanner says it would be able to gather information by passing nearby unexplored systems or points of interest while maintaining its speed! There are tens of thousands of unexplored stars within the Federation's existing borders, we barely know anything about or own backyard.
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Wait. Okay so. We've said the big immediate threat to the Federation is pirates right? A pirate's best friend are unexplored systems in which they can lurk.

@Sayle will our sensors scanning systems as we pass let us do things like look for ships or bases that might be up to something nefarious? Or is it more just looking at the system and counting planets at atmosphere types, look for long range life signs.
 
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[X] Antimatter Storage (Range: 314ly -> 628ly)

The most logical choice here, it'll greatly increase the endurance of the ship - not just in terms of useful lifespan but also when it comes to ability to support border missions.
 
[X] Spectral Analysis (+2 Science)

Embrace Starfleet thought. Believe in the power of the main deflector dish. This is where we build our future.
 
darkstarling said:
@Sayle will our sensors scanning systems as we pass let us do things like look for ships or bases that might be up to something nefarious? Or is it more just looking at the system and counting planets at atmosphere types, look for long range life signs.
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I mean. It's spectral analysis. It does things spectral analysis does, just from further away. So mostly long-range survey. Detect molecular signatures, that sort of thing.
 
Sayle said:
I mean. It's spectral analysis. It does things spectral analysis does, just from further away. So mostly long-range survey. Detect molecular signatures, that sort of thing.
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Cool, so it's for finding out what the system is like rather than finding ships and technology. Then yes, keeping my vote on extra antimatter.
 
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