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Strunkriidiisk
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It adds more space by default, because the crew spaces are no longer occupying the central three decks.
The command saucer seems to keep the crew above the decks as well, actually:
[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
Yeah so given that Starfleet explicitly doesn't want mass for the sake of mass:
And inverse slope gives little to no modules for +30kt:
It kind of feels like this is the worst of both worlds. It really does only make sense for tactical purposes.
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In the most pessimistic interpretation, the inverse slope option will still add a significant amount of space for not just crew quarters but also the generic utility and "required to be a functioning starship" elements that are individually below our level of abstraction- transporters, HVAC, plumbing and wiring spaces, maintenance closets, all that jazz. Even if it doesn't add additional modules, it'll still add space so that we have room for better modules- the difference between a +4 and +6 large module, maybe, or a large module instead of a small, or +2 versus +3 on two or three small modules.
I mean, I approval-voted the medium and large options and would be quite happy with either; if you think we can lead the charge for another stunning comeback I'll be quite happy to switch my vote to maximum-chonk-only as soon as command config is comfortably out of the running. I doubt it'll happen, though.
Maybe? The way it's described seems rather lackluster:
It's not nothing, but it's not much. The extra 30kt provide a reasonable boost to our durability, but utility wise it sounds like it's just a little more than the command config.
[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
All of the options put the crew quarters above the three decks. Inverse slope adds a little more but is still mostly crew. It sounds like reverse slope would be the one to get a lot of extra space, but that's probably unacceptable for torpedo reasons.
[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
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Strunkriidiisk
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Well, no matter how the vote ends up I just hope it goes well in the end. For I have reached the end of Lower Decks and I fear I shall never be happy again.
It should be noted the Inverse slope is described as
' The second option is already familiar to you and any starship aficionado. The inverse slope uses a curve that begins flattened to the dorsal hull and then rises upwards, and can be seen in the saucer of the Excalibur-class. This stacks more space above the main decks but will still largely be taken up by crew quarters, but does provide some wiggle room for extra transporters and the like. '
So pretty clearly the extra mass/volume is used to put more things in as possible. For instance the option for more transporters, which would be a potential engineering ability expansion I believe, or be beneficial if one wanted an expanded sickbay as you can move more people around.
So for those thinking it's just empty space, no it isn't, and of course it wasn't going to be. One doesn't just leave space open. One didn't leave that space open on the Excalibur either after all.
' The second option is already familiar to you and any starship aficionado. The inverse slope uses a curve that begins flattened to the dorsal hull and then rises upwards, and can be seen in the saucer of the Excalibur-class. This stacks more space above the main decks but will still largely be taken up by crew quarters, but does provide some wiggle room for extra transporters and the like. '
So pretty clearly the extra mass/volume is used to put more things in as possible. For instance the option for more transporters, which would be a potential engineering ability expansion I believe, or be beneficial if one wanted an expanded sickbay as you can move more people around.
So for those thinking it's just empty space, no it isn't, and of course it wasn't going to be. One doesn't just leave space open. One didn't leave that space open on the Excalibur either after all.
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[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
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[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
Of course it's not empty space, but it's clearly not much extra usable space either. It doesn't sound like it's going to provide more modules, but maybe we'll get slightly bigger ones?
I dunno if it's worth the 30kt unless we want the durability bonus.
Then what do you think 30kt of space will be used on? Surely they wouldn't leave it empty after all. Do you think the living quarters get much larger instead?
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Okay I was definitely lying to myself, I do care way too much about this vote
Welp. I'm going to bed. If the small hull wins while I'm asleep, nobody vote for an inline deflector (or for an inline secondary, which amounts to the same thing) - we'll be losing enough potential room without deliberately sacrificing internal volume in the saucer.
Welp. I'm going to bed. If the small hull wins while I'm asleep, nobody vote for an inline deflector (or for an inline secondary, which amounts to the same thing) - we'll be losing enough potential room without deliberately sacrificing internal volume in the saucer.
Yes it is.
30,000 tons is the exact size of the Archer's Cargo Pod.
It is a lot of space for non-combat shit.
Going back to catch up on the posts since last night.
So the profile of an inverse slope is described as what the Excalibur has, which is this:
The largest option rises rapidly near the edge, so it gives us a lot more volume to work with, while the command configuration just gives up on the slopes and sticks the crew quarters straight up out of the main saucer to save mass. It's like the sloped side armor of a T-34:
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Just to make it really clear, I believe that the highlighted bit is the part that gets removed from the inverse slope in the command configuration:
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I think I partially figured it out, as it noted it adds some more space for various things like transporters. How ever this option also still allows weapon mounts around the top edges as well I believe. So it's possible some of that space would then go to weapons instead, rather then necessarily impinging in to the main saucer.
After all with the rising option you can't put weapons there anymore.
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[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
It does add more space on top of the main decks, just not very much, since as a short cone the extra volume only reaches deck height around the space where we're already putting crew decks. So it'd maybe let us fit some more auxiliary systems into the modules like transporters, but it probably won't meaningfully increase module capacity.
The issue is really just that triangles are a pretty inefficient shape to put things in, and the inclined slope's extra volume is basically triangles.
Also iirc the modules are only modeled in 2D, so that makes the inverse slope even less efficient since it doesn't even get to go all the way around, it just gets an extra triangle.