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[X] Recommend a six-ship run of the Stingray. (-30 Industry) (+1.3 Industry/Year) [Ends 2155]
[X] Recommend a six-ship run of the Stingray. (-30 Industry) (+1.3 Industry/Year) [Ends 2155]
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here is a tally of the vote so far:
[X] Recommend a more conservative run of three ships. (-15 Industry) (+4.4 Industry/Year) [Ends 2155]
[X] Recommend a six-ship run of the Stingray. (-30 Industry) (+1.3 Industry/Year) [Ends 2155]
When asked about whether the navy wanted more ships the officer nodded sagely, stood, and suplexed the nearest ensign onto the Yes option.
When asked about whether the navy wanted more ships the officer nodded sagely, stood, and suplexed the nearest ensign onto the Yes option.
Empress_Boog
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NavySeel
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We're also aware of the Klingons and their culture, sure we're not neighbours, but we know species like that exist, there's the Orions too.
Strunkriidiisk
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Even absent knowing OOC that there's a conflict on the horizon, developing a modern defensive fleet is just good sense, yeah. We're not the Federation yet - present allies are a little low on, well, presence, and don't really have a heavyweight military arm we can lean on. We kind of have to secure our borders first so we can actually fulfil the aims of Starfleet and the Federation once it forms.
NavySeel
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Besides the Vulcans, we don't even really have any allies yet, the Andorians are friendly-ish but they're constantly verging on war with our ally.
2156: The Opening Salvo
[X] Recommend a six-ship run of the Stingray. (-50 Industry) (+0 Industry/Year) [Ends 2155]
The Leadup to War
United Earth Starfleet
The crash-order of more Stingrays with the newly developed Warp 5 engine signalled the intent of Starfleet to finally begin pushing out from the Sol System. Indeed the antipiracy campaign of 2154 saw the Stingray-class patrolling the routes between Earth and her colonies, using historical reports to track down three pirate bases and destroy them. This put an immediate pressure on local pirates to adapt, which they did so by unifying under the command of a small Orion Syndicate cabal previously associated with Nausicaan marauders.
This culminated in the ambush of the UES Bullray in June of 2155. Believing itself to be responding to a distress transponder, the ship was instead attacked by four Nausicaan raiders. The captain attempted to disengage but was unsuccessful, with the ship succumbing to multiple boarding parties. There was allegedly an effort to reach main engineering to overload the warp engine, but this was equally unsuccessful and prior to the advent of reliable self-destruct mechanisms. The resultant capture of the Bullray, albeit with heavy damage that rendered her a shadow of her former self, was presented to Starfleet Command the day after as an ultimatum to cease interfering with the marauder group's operations.
Faced with the option of paying a ransom for the return of the surviving crew and withdrawing from protecting their own merchant marine, United Earth found itself unwilling to comply. While outwardly cooperating to ensure the return of the crew and attempting to negotiate for the salvage of the Bullray, Starfleet instead launched the UES Challenger from the Warp 5 Complex two weeks ahead of schedule. Consenting to dispatch the UES Whiptail with the agreed upon ransom, the pirates were told to expect her in just over nine weeks. The Challenger, equipped with an improved injector assembly for her engine that allowed a cruise of Warp 4, made the journey in five and a half and took them by surprise by sprinting the last tenth of a light year at Warp 5.2.
Faced with over three hundred thousand tons of heavily armed cruiser, the pirates released their hostages on the condition they be permitted to leave peacefully. Having resolved the situation, the Challenger undertook a salvage operation of the asteroid base and the UES Bullray, eventually repairing the ship and sending it on a three-month limp back to Sol. The ultimate fate of the pirates is not clear, but it seems likely that they moved their operations out of the sphere of space dominated by the newly formed Coalition of Planets.
But while internal affairs were becoming more secure, the borders were less so. In late October of 2155, the UES Discovery came under a surprise attack from a flight of Romulan warbirds equipped with cloaking devices. Caught without its defenses by a barrage of atomic warheads, the NX-class ship was half-crippled in the opening salvo and unable to effectively respond or escape. The ship's fate was not confirmed until the wreckage was discovered by the VCS Selak in late December at its last known position. After salvaging the data recorder, Starfleet was made aware that the Romulans were now conducting armed incursions into the area.
While not yet willing to enter a state of war, Starfleet was put at a higher degree of readiness and the Enterprise and Columbia recalled to Earth. United Earth President Nathan Samuels made a personal enquiry to the Starship Design Bureau as to its recommendations for a starship able to contend with the standard Romulan warbirds.
[ ] Recommend the continued production of the Stingray as a mainline tactical vessel.
[ ] Advocate for the construction of a minimally expensive combat frigate capable of engaging the small Romulan ships one-on-one.
[ ] Support the construction of a heavily-armed battleship capable of enduring combat with multiple attackers.
Two Hour Moratorium, Please.
The Leadup to War
United Earth Starfleet
The crash-order of more Stingrays with the newly developed Warp 5 engine signalled the intent of Starfleet to finally begin pushing out from the Sol System. Indeed the antipiracy campaign of 2154 saw the Stingray-class patrolling the routes between Earth and her colonies, using historical reports to track down three pirate bases and destroy them. This put an immediate pressure on local pirates to adapt, which they did so by unifying under the command of a small Orion Syndicate cabal previously associated with Nausicaan marauders.
This culminated in the ambush of the UES Bullray in June of 2155. Believing itself to be responding to a distress transponder, the ship was instead attacked by four Nausicaan raiders. The captain attempted to disengage but was unsuccessful, with the ship succumbing to multiple boarding parties. There was allegedly an effort to reach main engineering to overload the warp engine, but this was equally unsuccessful and prior to the advent of reliable self-destruct mechanisms. The resultant capture of the Bullray, albeit with heavy damage that rendered her a shadow of her former self, was presented to Starfleet Command the day after as an ultimatum to cease interfering with the marauder group's operations.
Faced with the option of paying a ransom for the return of the surviving crew and withdrawing from protecting their own merchant marine, United Earth found itself unwilling to comply. While outwardly cooperating to ensure the return of the crew and attempting to negotiate for the salvage of the Bullray, Starfleet instead launched the UES Challenger from the Warp 5 Complex two weeks ahead of schedule. Consenting to dispatch the UES Whiptail with the agreed upon ransom, the pirates were told to expect her in just over nine weeks. The Challenger, equipped with an improved injector assembly for her engine that allowed a cruise of Warp 4, made the journey in five and a half and took them by surprise by sprinting the last tenth of a light year at Warp 5.2.
Faced with over three hundred thousand tons of heavily armed cruiser, the pirates released their hostages on the condition they be permitted to leave peacefully. Having resolved the situation, the Challenger undertook a salvage operation of the asteroid base and the UES Bullray, eventually repairing the ship and sending it on a three-month limp back to Sol. The ultimate fate of the pirates is not clear, but it seems likely that they moved their operations out of the sphere of space dominated by the newly formed Coalition of Planets.
But while internal affairs were becoming more secure, the borders were less so. In late October of 2155, the UES Discovery came under a surprise attack from a flight of Romulan warbirds equipped with cloaking devices. Caught without its defenses by a barrage of atomic warheads, the NX-class ship was half-crippled in the opening salvo and unable to effectively respond or escape. The ship's fate was not confirmed until the wreckage was discovered by the VCS Selak in late December at its last known position. After salvaging the data recorder, Starfleet was made aware that the Romulans were now conducting armed incursions into the area.
While not yet willing to enter a state of war, Starfleet was put at a higher degree of readiness and the Enterprise and Columbia recalled to Earth. United Earth President Nathan Samuels made a personal enquiry to the Starship Design Bureau as to its recommendations for a starship able to contend with the standard Romulan warbirds.
[ ] Recommend the continued production of the Stingray as a mainline tactical vessel.
[ ] Advocate for the construction of a minimally expensive combat frigate capable of engaging the small Romulan ships one-on-one.
[ ] Support the construction of a heavily-armed battleship capable of enduring combat with multiple attackers.
Two Hour Moratorium, Please.
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StriderInCosmos
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[X] Support the construction of a heavily-armed battleship capable of enduring combat with multiple attackers.
We're going to need a fortress to act as a somewhat mobile defense of our holdings. The NX cruisers, being escorted, of course, will be great strike elements to drive these incursions out of our space, while what 'battleships' we construct can hold a system down until reinforcements arrive. After things settle, we could even convert them into refugee ships, cargo haulers, or even relief vessels for responding to large scale disasters.
We're going to need a fortress to act as a somewhat mobile defense of our holdings. The NX cruisers, being escorted, of course, will be great strike elements to drive these incursions out of our space, while what 'battleships' we construct can hold a system down until reinforcements arrive. After things settle, we could even convert them into refugee ships, cargo haulers, or even relief vessels for responding to large scale disasters.
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Not sure about the frigate. The romulans will have an edge in small ship on small ship engagements, thanks to their cloaking device allowing them the first strike...
Also, because of the cloaking devices, the Stingray is also at a bit of a disadvantage, as the romulans will be able to begin the battle from her blind spot. She may be nimble, but it is still a problem.
Maybe recommend an up-gunned stingray with better gun coverage?
[X] Recommend the design of the previously considered up-gunned Stingray refit as a mainline tactical vessel.
Also, because of the cloaking devices, the Stingray is also at a bit of a disadvantage, as the romulans will be able to begin the battle from her blind spot. She may be nimble, but it is still a problem.
Maybe recommend an up-gunned stingray with better gun coverage?
[X] Recommend the design of the previously considered up-gunned Stingray refit as a mainline tactical vessel.
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[X] Support the construction of a heavily-armed battleship capable of enduring combat with multiple attackers.
[X] Support the construction of a heavily-armed battleship capable of enduring combat with multiple attackers.
Beating the Romulans at their own game is probably a fools errand. Ensuring that a ship can weather an ambush that could happen at any time and destroy the perpetrators of that ambush is the only realistic option I see here.
Beating the Romulans at their own game is probably a fools errand. Ensuring that a ship can weather an ambush that could happen at any time and destroy the perpetrators of that ambush is the only realistic option I see here.
[X] Recommend the continued production of the Stingray as a mainline tactical vessel.
Sounds like 1v1 our Stingray is probably more capable than the Romulans, while the more powerful NX will succumb to sneak attacks and overwhelming numbers.
Option a seems to be, continue producing the more capable frigate at a higher expense
Option b seems to be, build a cheap frigate to win on attrition
Option c seems to be, build something capable of taking a surprise attack and still beat large numbers of Romulans
I am not really thrilled about engaging in attritional warfare by building something with similar capabilities to the Romulans and then trying to out build them. Seems like a great way to get a lot of people killed. Plus there's the lead time to design and shakedown a new vessel.
A massive battleship will take even longer to design and build than a frigate and be available in fewer numbers. Which means we can't cover as much territory and there is the risk that the Romulans can still mass enough locally to overwhelm a couple of battleships.
The Stingray is already in production with the kinks worked out, is implied to be better than Romulan ships 1 for 1. I say turn the Stingray into our M4 Sherman and overwhelm them with a superlative design built in quantity.
Sounds like 1v1 our Stingray is probably more capable than the Romulans, while the more powerful NX will succumb to sneak attacks and overwhelming numbers.
Option a seems to be, continue producing the more capable frigate at a higher expense
Option b seems to be, build a cheap frigate to win on attrition
Option c seems to be, build something capable of taking a surprise attack and still beat large numbers of Romulans
I am not really thrilled about engaging in attritional warfare by building something with similar capabilities to the Romulans and then trying to out build them. Seems like a great way to get a lot of people killed. Plus there's the lead time to design and shakedown a new vessel.
A massive battleship will take even longer to design and build than a frigate and be available in fewer numbers. Which means we can't cover as much territory and there is the risk that the Romulans can still mass enough locally to overwhelm a couple of battleships.
The Stingray is already in production with the kinks worked out, is implied to be better than Romulan ships 1 for 1. I say turn the Stingray into our M4 Sherman and overwhelm them with a superlative design built in quantity.
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Can we AFFORD battleships when we just spit out six Stingrays? We didnt get to grow our industry as much as we could've.