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I think that with this being one of two Warp 8 ship designs, that it should be expected to be able to fight.
[X] Covariant Standard Shield Grid
[X] Covariant Standard Shield Grid
Assuming we go for standard covariant, 2x type 2 phasers would net us 36 damage and 8 cost, together with 1x rapid fire launcher giving us 18 average/54 burst (and since, iirc, burst=alpha that'd give us 72 alpha damage* - which is only 6 off the prime Connie) and 12 cost for a total of 20 cost.
With a 120kt ship the standard would cost 14 (13.68 rounded up), or a total of 34 cost. The shields and weapons of the Excalibur ended up costing ~51.75 for the first tranche and ~48.25 for the second tranche.
*assuming I'm not misremembering and it's only one bank a time, I tend to get a bit mixed up between the bank and the individual emitters.
With a 120kt ship the standard would cost 14 (13.68 rounded up), or a total of 34 cost. The shields and weapons of the Excalibur ended up costing ~51.75 for the first tranche and ~48.25 for the second tranche.
*assuming I'm not misremembering and it's only one bank a time, I tend to get a bit mixed up between the bank and the individual emitters.
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Better shields seem safer for dealing with weird anomalies
Better shields seem safer for dealing with weird anomalies
Higher Maneuverability synergizes with Rapid Fire Launchers more than better shields since it not only provides a increase to survivability but makes it easier to line up weapons such as torpedoes.
That is going to be pretty important given the fact that we aren't going to be covering this ship full of weapons to ensure good coverage since this isn't meant to be a high end warship.
The fact that two Type 3's can give us maxed out Maneuverability even on a 180kt hull also means that we have a much greater level of tonnage leeway with the Light Covariant's since even on a 180kt hull the Light Covariant's cost less than a Standard on a 120kt hull (13.5 vs 13.68).
We'd probably end up with better ship longevity too if we make a cheaper but larger design than a more expensive but smaller design since we'd have more room to cram in useful facilities.
Mmm. I'd agree that a heavier ship makes the light covariant much more palatable; I'm specifically aiming for having notably better shields than the Newton, and that can be done either through heavier shielding or a heavier ship. And a bigger ship will have more room for scientific and medical equipment.
It's not going to be cheaper, though. The second thruster alone is going to increase the price by more than the heavier shields.
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Honestly, no?
Birds of Prey exist, and they are more numerous than battlecruisers because they are smaller and less resource-intensive...
But this is the era of the centralized Klingon Empire, not the post-Praxis dominance of the Great Houses. The Klingon Empire is churning out and refitting as many battlecruisers as they can, using the centralized energy production of Praxis to fuel component production for large shipyard complexes in orbit. Not the individual Houses churning out Birds of Prey en masse from their decentralized private shipyards, to expend in slap-fights with one another.
RE: the Light vs Standard shields debate, I am having a hard time deciding, because the numbers are meaningless to me. It doesn't matter if we have 15 or 20 shields, because I don't know what that actually means aside from "bigger number is better". Does it mean that it can stop 15 or 20 points worth of firepower? What kind of firepower does the latest known model of Bird of Prey have? Starfleet Intelligence can stop sucking at their job right about now and give us some actionable intel...
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That said, we're trying to make a Nova/Miranda, not an Oberth. We know we're going into a wartime situation where these will be our only other Warp-8 class of vessel. Losing any first-tranche vessels to Klingons would deny us an entire vessel-lifetime worth of work, and would make Starfleet look less-favorably at ordering more ships. Also, we prefer to see our vessels' useful lifetimes be extended, so being future-proofed against the next generations of rando pirates is also good...
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Skimping on defense is the kind of thing that is penny wise pound foolish.
Especially for a science ship, in a universe where the fauna includes spaceborne wildlife big and aggressive enough to eat starships, and with a geopolitical situation where it will show up either during a major war, or in the aftermath where Starfleet will be understrength and it will have to fend for itself against pirates and raiders.
We spend too much time mocking the more fragile Star Trek designs to turn around and build one.
[X] Covariant Standard Shield Grid
Skimping on defense is the kind of thing that is penny wise pound foolish.
Especially for a science ship, in a universe where the fauna includes spaceborne wildlife big and aggressive enough to eat starships, and with a geopolitical situation where it will show up either during a major war, or in the aftermath where Starfleet will be understrength and it will have to fend for itself against pirates and raiders.
We spend too much time mocking the more fragile Star Trek designs to turn around and build one.
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The heavier shields increase cost by enough that the second thruster is cheaper if the ship has more than 25 shield power. And if we go over 90kt, we need the second thruster anyways.
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[X] Covariant Light Shield Grid
I'm now a proponent of "Team Discount"
We want more ships per credit. For that we gotta keep costs down.
I'm now a proponent of "Team Discount"
We want more ships per credit. For that we gotta keep costs down.
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For the cost of a 150kt ship (Archer sized) with Light Covariant's you could only afford a 100kt Standard Covariant ship (11.25 vs 11.4).
Not only would that ship have weaker shields (22.5 vs 20) but it would have significantly less space for internal facilities.
You could argue that the additional 50kt of ship hull should result in a cost increase too but as we saw during the Newton vs Archer costs comparison the larger Archer with it's experimental hull material and experimental Thruster only costed marginally more than the Newton.
I would also argue that having the additional internal facilities thanks to having a larger ship is worth that extra cost.
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While we weren't told explicitly that there are serious budget constraints we have still been encouraged to keep costs low.
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I'm in favour of a 120kt ship with standard covariants, gets us more shields than an Archer and should allow for both a decent weapons fit (a 2x phaser and 1x rapid launcher would give us a prime Connie level alpha, just less by 6 points) whilst also allowing for a reasonable number of modules.
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The Newton, our pre-Excalibur Warp 7 engineering warship that didn't quite cut it versus D6s, had 19 Shields.
If we mount a Rapid Launcher for torpedoes, we'll solidly exceed it in firepower; for most reasonable thruster/hull mass options we'll match or exceed it in maneuverability. If we want to be superior in shields as well - which is probably advisable, as mentioned it was a light combatant before the D7 rolled out - we either want to build a significantly more massive hull or we want the heavier shields.
Vote Light Shields if you either want a big chonker of a ship or have decided a noncombatant is good enough. For a smaller ship that we want to be capable of fighting, we'll want the Standards.
Edit: Oh, right - our brief called for a small ship rather than a cheap one, and I think there's a reason for that: every yard that's big enough is going to be building Excaliburs. Whatever we design is only going to get built in the smaller yards, and the bigger it is the fewer are going to qualify.
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as much as i like cutting costs
their to much weird crap going on for me to go budget on shielding.
as much as i like cutting costs
their to much weird crap going on for me to go budget on shielding.
[X] Covariant Light Shield Grid