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Ladybird Taylor is her own pony, not a Twilight copy. She has an insect flavor to her magic - as demonstrated by her cutie mark of a ladybug and her two effects during her trigger incident being TK and transmuting the stuff from the locker into rose petals for the already dead matter and the bugs into still-living nice insects.
 
It also sees Greg turned into an Earth Pony, IIRC.

And then he proceeds to curbstomp Lung.

I think Ladybird is a bit of a crack fic.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to reread the far less crackish Hyperdimension Taylor.
 
Unfortunately, in about 2 weeks (here), I abandon the light hearted humor that's typical here for a chapter and delve into a deep philosophical question: "If you have the capability to do something, should you?" Or "I can do this, Should I?"

Why Taylor is suddenly having this moral / ethical / philosophical quandry?

At the beginning of this arc, Taylor uses Plane Shift to drop the group into Sigil's border crossing. It's a 7th level cleric's spell. There's another 7th level cleric's spell that's a little more (in)famous that she now realizes is in her capability, and she has the material components for. And she stopped to think about the consequences of her casting it, and how much trouble it could cause...
 
Are you, perhaps, thinking of Resurrection? I'm not even going to suggest who it could be used for, and the can of worms (no pun intended) it would open.
 
Kryslin said:
Unfortunately, in about 2 weeks (here), I abandon the light hearted humor that's typical here for a chapter and delve into a deep philosophical question: "If you have the capability to do something, should you?" Or "I can do this, Should I?"

Why Taylor is suddenly having this moral / ethical / philosophical quandry?

At the beginning of this arc, Taylor uses Plane Shift to drop the group into Sigil's border crossing. It's a 7th level cleric's spell. There's another 7th level cleric's spell that's a little more (in)famous that she now realizes is in her capability, and she has the material components for. And she stopped to think about the consequences of her casting it, and how much trouble it could cause...
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Resurection only works under a few conditions
1) you have to have at least part of the deceased body
2) they have to want to come back
4) You have to cast it within a certain time period
3) the sould has to be in a divine realm and not reincarnated or imprisoned somehow.
What happens to souls in the Scaled Up verse?
This is actually a big question and would have fundemental implications for the setting. The ability to bring back the dead would pretty much instantly start masive upheaval and realistically even have the potential to start ww3.

To be honest I would be tempted to just remove Resurection/ raise dead and say you can only bring back someone who has just died like right now. because either you have the whole setting suddenly revolve around that one ability or you destroy suspension of belief by pretending people wouldnt care
 
Having a supply of diamonds worth 1000 gold would be the biggest limitation I think. Having access to a HPHT machine and being trained in it's use would allow her to use the Fabricate spell to shorten the time to "grow" A diamond from 8 weeks to less than half an hour, so that would speed things up. Without the equipment, she wouldn't be able to convert carbon to diamond. Since the equipment would count as "Jewelers Tools" it might allow her to do so.
Edit: There are less than 7,000 diamonds known to be over 5 carats, not sure what counts as 1000 gold, but I have seen charts claiming that a 1000 gold diamond is 10 carats.
 
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Mythantor said:
Resurection only works under a few conditions
1) you have to have at least part of the deceased body
2) they have to want to come back
4) You have to cast it within a certain time period
3) the sould has to be in a divine realm and not reincarnated or imprisoned somehow.
What happens to souls in the Scaled Up verse?
This is actually a big question and would have fundemental implications for the setting. The ability to bring back the dead would pretty much instantly start masive upheaval and realistically even have the potential to start ww3.

To be honest I would be tempted to just remove Resurection/ raise dead and say you can only bring back someone who has just died like right now. because either you have the whole setting suddenly revolve around that one ability or you destroy suspension of belief by pretending people wouldnt care
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Remember that Calvert's soul was literally yoinked out of the waiting line for Judgement after his death. In addition, three people (so far) have definitely died and been offered the chance to come back. Taylor died as well, even if briefly, which is what gave Tia and her brother the opening to become Taylor's patron.
 
Kryslin said:
At the beginning of this arc, Taylor uses Plane Shift to drop the group into Sigil's border crossing. It's a 7th level cleric's spell. There's another 7th level cleric's spell that's a little more (in)famous that she now realizes is in her capability, and she has the material components for. And she stopped to think about the consequences of her casting it, and how much trouble it could cause...
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One assumes the "willing to return" part could play a significant role. Unless you are talking about ANOTHER 7th level cleric spell like Temple of the Gods or Divine Word. :rofl:
 
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FaerieKnight79 said:
Remember that Calvert's soul was literally yoinked out of the waiting line for Judgement after his death. In addition, three people (so far) have definitely died and been offered the chance to come back. Taylor died as well, even if briefly, which is what gave Tia and her brother the opening to become Taylor's patron.
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Yeh but note all those who got brought back were revived before their soul was judged.
But my point still stands on the political and theological ramifications of being able to bring back those long dead.
 
Solution: make it so that only clerics of whatever diety is in connected to the afterlife can resurrect souls from it.

EG: Clerics of deities connected to Valhalla can only resurrect souls that are in Valhalla
 
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In every instance so far that someone has been revived (or yoinked out of the afterlife) there's been a deity (undead or otherwise) directly involved. And other then Calvert, they've all had a choice in if they would return or not.
 
In effect, maybe. But Amy, Pigot, and Dennis were brought back via Raise Dead. Dragon definitely got Incarnated however.
 
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4) You have to cast it within a certain time period
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one century, and they could dig up heros body.

You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't undead. If its soul is free and willing, the target returns to life with all its hit points.
This spell neutralizes any poisons and cures normal diseases afflicting the creature when it died. It doesn't, however, remove magical diseases, curses, and the like; if such affects aren't removed prior to casting the spell, they afflict the target on its return to life.

This spell closes all mortal wounds and restores any missing body parts.
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Harry Leferts said:
Wouldn't what happened with Taylor and such count more as "Reincarnation" as per the spell?
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Yes as they came back as something else and the body they left was not the same as what they were after
 
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Or untill every Nazi/cult in the world tries to grab her and force her to raise Hitler/ whoever else they want.

Put simply the ability to raise the dead is a great way to break a story. Which is why even in settings were it should be possible the idea is often ignored.
Even ignoring the in story consequences, it destroys narrative tension by being the ultimate safety net. Why worry if someone is in danger if they can just be raised.
 
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I'd simply slap two much tighter restrictions on the spell to lower it from out & out world-breaking to only slightly broken. The two restrictions would be 1) The body has to be mostly intact (especially the head as no head = no resurrection) and 2) It has to be done within a very tight time period, say a few hours maximum. Yes, it's pretty massively nerfing the spell, but honestly it needs it due to how insanely broken it is.
 
Forger1985 said:
I'd simply slap two much tighter restrictions on the spell to lower it from out & out world-breaking to only slightly broken. The two restrictions would be 1) The body has to be mostly intact (especially the head as no head = no resurrection) and 2) It has to be done within a very tight time period, say a few hours maximum. Yes, it's pretty massively nerfing the spell, but honestly it needs it due to how insanely broken it is.
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Raise Dead already has such restrictions. The 7th level spell is the one that's more problematic. The true limiting factors for it are the cost to cast, the opportunity cost if it's used (often casters have only a few 7th level castings total), and the fact the target has to be willing to return. Say you decide to bring Hero back from the dead, maybe he doesn't want to return? Perhaps he's unhappy with what his former comrades have been up to and doesn't want anything to do with them now. Or maybe he's actually at peace and wants to stay. Or perhaps he's already reincarnated. In which case, the spell doesn't work anyway.
 
As I recall Resurrection at least in second edition was every 10 years for per level of the priest in question so let's say a 19th level priest could bones of a creature dead up to 190 years, assuming of course that the creature passed a resurrection check.

Resurrection also doesn't work if the target had reached its allotted life span.

Use of the spell resurrection also rendered the caster unable to do cast spells or engage in combat until a day of rest for each experience level or the hit die of the creature resurrected and aged the caster three years.

Which means even if the spell fails then the caster has lost several years of their life and might be unable to cast spells or fight for some time depending on how high of a level of the creature they were trying to resurrect was.
 
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Alane1 said:
As I recall Resurrection at least in second edition was every 10 years for per level of the priest in question so let's say a 19th level priest could bones of a creature dead up to 190 years, assuming of course that the creature passed a resurrection check.
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5th edition it's a flat 1 century. Doesn't matter caster lvl
 
Jadesteele said:
Not if Boss Kat has her pull a 'silver' and abuse the 'blood money' spell...

That's 'Pathfinder', dummy, not the same rule set at all...
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Umm, she can have a scale's so-valuable component refined out again and get the material components easily by trading. Once you go planar or even get your Primes on, a lot of the material/physical limitations aren't... with a bit of cleverness.
 
And since someone mentioned Hero as the one to be Resurrected, I might point out that Taylor has someone else that she'd be a LOT more tempted to use that spell on ... like, where she got her middle name from, if that name I always see is canon ...
 
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