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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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Shard said:
We should develop our Fylgja more, honestly. I get the impression that we're.. not really using it fully.

Plus wasn't it mentioned at some point that developing your Fylgja might lead to some ability to see into the unseen?
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Our Fylgja is at 5, that's actually solid. The rest of this is true...but almost certainly locked behind being seidr. Which is to say we literally couldn't have done it previously, but we hopefully will be able to pursue it going forward.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
We've been told Seersight is a development of Seeing Eyes, the fylgja-boosting Trait.
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I don't believe it was said Seeing Eyes is a required prerequisite, though? It was said that they can rarely develop into Seersight, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible to be born with it.

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'They are not. Seeing Eyes are a lot more common than Seersight is. Seeing Eyes can develop into Seersight, but it is a rare thing.
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Constenanto said:
I don't believe it was said Seeing Eyes is a required perequisite, though? It was said that they can rarely develop into Seersight, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible to be born with it.
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You can probably also be born with it, yes (it's likely the 'upgraded' version of Seeing Eyes, honestly). I was more noting there doesn't seem to be a way to get it if you aren't born with at least Seeing Eyes.
 
Mystic Pentagram said:
Knight 1: why are we okay with this filthy pagan woman becoming Empress?
Knight 2: she was the last pretender still standing at the end of the war, it was either her or letting the Pope choose the new Emperor.
Knight 1: FUCK THE POPE!
Knight 2: Exactly!
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Knight 3: How dare they? This means war!
Knight 1&2: [somber speech] Our lives for Christ! *attacks one of Knight 3s flanks*
Asgeir & Eyvor: Wheeeeeeeee! *meatblender Knight 3s northern flank*
 
Constenanto said:
By the way, Christian nobles in this would actually have power, right? Feudal cultivation and all that. They probably wouldn't be a Knight - more akin to a Priest, if anything - but it's kinda shitty that they get power just by virtue of their birth.
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"Just" by virtue of their birth, as opposed to what?
By virtue of their long practice at relevant skills?
Both the opportunity and the willpower to engage in long practice also come from accidents of birth.

There's a serious argument here that they're being selected on the wrong criteria, but it's hard to think of any criteria that don't substantially trace back to one's birth.
 
Constenanto said:
Huh. What are the downsides if you roll low on this? Are there different breakpoints? Like, if you roll low enough, you can't handle combat at all?
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A basic success is enough to secure your ability to fight, though you're definitely opening yourself up to trauma.
Shard said:
I guess Hemophobia is an autofail for that roll?
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Not entirely, no. But it does make you suffer trauma from blood no matter how high you roll.
Shard said:
e: Also, it isn't clear, but does locking in a trait also mean that you eliminate any possibility of the opposite trait being picked? So locking in Godly Luck means Unlucky won't be rolled for.
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There are certain ones (like unhygenic and beautiful/handsome), but overall, yes
Toboe said:
Hey Blackhand, is Seersight something you just know if you have it, or is it like the shape of my fylgja, something you find out at some time?
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'It develops from Seeing Eyes, but only rarely.'
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"..Hey Halla, do you know why Sten was raised in Finland to begin with?"
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You do not.
 
Exmorri said:
Both the opportunity and the willpower to engage in long practice also come from accidents of birth.
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Willpower is a learned skill, or at least can be improved with learned skill. I don't think calling anything that can be taught an accident of birth is fair or accurate. But that's a huge philosophical argument that probably doesn't belong in this thread, so I'll just note my disagreement and leave it at that.
 
Shard said:
Anyway, so Bloodlust can be managed.

But Wrathful and Low-Self Control are... not very.. manageable.

Is there any benefit to having both Wrathful and Bloodlust, anyway? They both make it easier to do violence.
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the funny thing is, wrathful and low self control, IS more manageable. IF did just said that due to the low self control, Aesgirr will get into more fights, but will rarely kill his opponents, if its not a life or death battle.

Eyvor though... she is gonna be the perpetually angry person in the family. lets just hope she don't lose reason....
 
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Willpower is a learned skill, or at least can be improved with learned skill. I don't think calling anything that can be taught an accident of birth is fair or accurate. But that's a huge philosophical argument that probably doesn't belong in this thread, so I'll just note my disagreement and leave it at that.
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I think they are getting at the idea that what family you are born into is an accident of birth
  • Noble family: Grooming their kids into knighthood
    • no work to survive, instead tons and tons of training
    • Expensive tools (like a good sword) and specialized teachers? Of course!
  • Poor family: Subsistence work
    • only a little time to train each day, if any
    • expensive tools (like a good sword) or specialized teachers? No chance!
 
I mean, yeah.

That's the thing about "Merit" based societies. The ones who are already wealthy and established can afford to spend the time focusing on things that aren't "Survive the Winter", which means they inevitably are the best choices when it comes to certain skills needed.
 
TheCount said:
the funny thing is, wrathful and low self control, IS more manageable. IF did just said that due to the low self control, Aesgirr will get into more fights, but will rarely kill his opponents, if its not a life or death battle.

Eyvor though... she is gonna be the perpetually angry person in the family. lets just hope she don't lose reason....
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Uh, what? Imperial said Asgeirr was the one who would regularly kill people every year... yeah, granted, it's only one or two people a year, but that's certainly less self-control than Eyvor, who would only end up killing a bunch of people if we allow her stress/irritation to build up beforehand. We just need to find ways for her to release stress so she doesn't end up reaching her breaking point. That's definitely more manageable than Asgeirr imo, who is liable to end up killing people in the heat of the moment.
 
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Toboe said:
I think they are getting at the idea that what family you are born into is an accident of birth
  • Noble family: Grooming their kids into knighthood
    • no work to survive, instead tons and tons of training
    • Expensive tools (like a good sword) and specialized teachers? Of course!
  • Poor family: Subsistence work
    • only a little time to train each day, if any
    • expensive tools (like a good sword) or specialized teachers? No chance!
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That's all opportunity, not willpower. And opportunity can be granted. It's certainly gonna get oversupplied to those born into wealthy families in most societies, but it's not predestined, and depending on the society opportunity needn't actually be based on who you're born to at all.
 
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
That's all opportunity, not willpower. And opportunity can be granted. It's certainly gonna get oversupplied to those born into wealthy families in most societies, but it's not predestined, and depending on the society opportunity needn't actually be based on who you're born to at all.
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I agree, just wanted to mention that their argument wasn't complete bollocks.
 
Alright, voting is now closed.

Sorry about being a little late, got distracted with Dwarf Fortress.
Scheduled vote count started by Imperial Fister on May 27, 2023 at 8:49 PM, finished with 197 posts and 12 votes.
  • [X] Plan: Like a Kite, we fly
    -[X] Trigger Punching-Up (35 Orthstirr)
    -[X] One Threefold Kindle-Spinner (19 + 4 Ignition + 1 Skyfire , 7 Orthstirr), charged up on approach and delivered when reaching middle-range. Stay just out of reach using our superior mobility and liberal use of EWC (6 Orthstirr) while bombarding with up to 2 further Kindle-Spinners (10 + 4 Ignition + 1 Skyfire + 3 Extra Orthstirr, 5 Orthstirr Each) If it somehow manages to close in anyway, use a 4x Honed, Lightning-Charged Skewer-Flick Trick (15 + 4 Hone, + 1 Skyfire, 8 Orthstirr) to knock it away again.
    -[X] Reserve (6) 3x Honed, 3x Reinforced (1 + 4 (Punching Up Dice) + 1 (Skyfire) +3 (Hone) + 3 (Reinforce) ) Defenses if we need them for the Folded Attack or otherwise to buy time if it has any Surprises for us. Any further defenses should be used with Halting Vortex (4 Orthstirr).
    -[X] No need for Intercepts
    -[X] Make liberal usage of Ember-Winged Cloak (6 Orthstirr each) to maintain Skyfire and stay just out of reach of that blender.
    -[X] It can't hurt us if it can't reach us, use EWC as required to maintain the high ground and keep just out of reach while we bombard it with Kindle-Spinners. If we end up in melee range anyway, use Skewer-Flick Trick to create distance again.
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Aki gets orthstirr just by tagging along, right? Because of our actions?

Not sure if that's actually a good thing. Well, no, it is a good thing - but I'm not sure if Aki would see it as a good thing, or if he'd actually appreciate that. From what I've seen of Aki, I imagine he'd think himself to be useless/burden... we should probably check up with him after this, especially since he got folded in his first real taste of combat.
 
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Constenanto said:
Uh, what? Imperial said Asgeirr was the one who would regularly kill people every year... yeah, granted, it's only one or two people a year, but that's certainly less self-control than Eyvor, who would only end up killing a bunch of people if we allow her stress/irritation to build up beforehand. We just need to find ways for her to release stress so she doesn't end up reaching her breaking point. That's definitely more manageable than Asgeirr imo, who is liable to end up killing people in the heat of the moment.
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Yeah, we just need to find it.... which, honestly should be easy, what with how nicely can turn loot into wealth.
And also because Halla is also dabbling in a lot, not just hyper focusing on fighting. Also, family connections and friendships.
BUT!
Said irritation? it can just bomb in quick succession when things just... come together. and thats the scary part with wraithful and bloodlust....
Aesgir will be known for a short temper and no restraint... but when Eyvor snaps out of the blue? THAT'S gonna be the stuff of nightmares.
 
TheCount said:
Said irritation? it can just bomb in quick succession when things just... come together. and thats the scary part with wraithful and bloodlust....
Aesgir will be known for a short temper and no restraint... but when Eyvor snaps out of the blue? THAT'S gonna be the stuff of nightmares.
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I don't think Eyvor's self-control is so poor? Like, that seems like something that Aesgirr would do, rather than Eyvor just snapping and losing all control suddenly. Not to mention Imperial did say she actually has self-control. Unless something really bad happened, like someone she loved dying on top of other misfortunes.
 
Constenanto said:
I don't think Eyvor's self-control is so poor? Like, that seems like something that Aesgirr would do, rather than Eyvor just snapping and losing all control suddenly. Not to mention Imperial did say she actually has self-control. Unless something really bad happened, like someone she loved dying on top of other misfortunes.
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That's actually the issue here, Eyvor is perfectly fine until she snaps and then she kills a full room full of people.

Asgeirr may have a short fuse but he gets it out of his system fairly quick and generally doesn't kill everyone he throws down with.
 
Alectai said:
That's actually the issue here, Eyvor is perfectly fine until she snaps and then she kills a full room full of people.

Asgeirr may have a short fuse but he gets it out of his system fairly quick and generally doesn't kill everyone he throws down with.
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I mean, Asgeirr was said to kill people more often than Eyvor. He's more liable to kill people, just not often. Meanwhile Eyvor isn't likely to kill someone, but when she does... more bodies are soon to follow.

I did also address that Eyvor's temper is an issue, but it's not an unfixable issue? We need to teach her ways to actually blow off steam, or perhaps hang out with Abjorn or us so she can chill out.
 
Yep, just as Alectai put it in words , thank you for that.

It doesnt even need to be big things, really... just a lot of little annoyances building up, and not being able to went for one reason or another....
or, something activating bear headed and terror bear.... which an insult would be more than enough, no need for anyone close to her to be killed.
hell, random destruction, either from nature, monsters or people just being clumsy can be the last straw that breaks the cammel's back.
 
I mean, Abjorn does have both Wrathful and Bloodlust and Halla's killed more people than he has, I'm pretty sure. The kids aren't obligate murderers, they just have anger issues we're gonna need to put some effort into giving them healthy outlets for.
 
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