It's Lars now, lmao.

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Alright, everybody, I stayed up way too late last night. New game came out, Shadows of Doubt, very cool and very much an exercise in the ol' think box.

I'm planning on calling the voting in an hour and a half, cause I gotta get settled and stuff.

Sounds good! We managed to scrounge enough Reward Dice to rig for Boy 3 too! All is well!
 
It's Lars now, lmao.

Well, guess I'll remove that bit from the plan then! :smile:

Not thinking that they are automatically evil? Sure.
But forgetting about the fact that they can be evil? That there can be orange/blue morals causing us issues? That would be an issue for me.

I don't think we're gonna forget that. Given Blackhand's reaction to Charlemagne I don't think he'll let us.

Btw, before we go out to joing the varangian guard, can we tour the HRE and see how the pagans there are living?

I mean, we'll see what happens. We may well need to do a fair bit of wandering before we're even qualified to join the Varangian Guard.
 
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Honestly, varagnian Guard feels like a Character 2 thing, we're already drowning in content for the homefront alone.
 
Honestly, varagnian Guard feels like a Character 2 thing, we're already drowning in content for the homefront alone.

It absolutely is. So is traveling the Holy Roman Empire, though. Halla is gonna make at least another trip or two (I still think we make a trading voyage to Wessex to return Gabriel home after Horra's dead, and then there's the trip to deal with mom's amulet...these could probably be combined), but nothing long term because she has responsibilities at home.
 
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Honestly, varagnian Guard feels like a Character 2 thing, we're already drowning in content for the homefront alone.

Let's see, what's on Halla's bucket list?

-Kill Horra and get the Seeress to teach seidr to Halla (so that we have it as part of our knowledge base and don't have to start from scratch with the next generation)
-Follow up on Vestfold and the amulet that Halla's mother left her.
-Establish our farm to a degree where the Murderkittens and the other wandering descendents have a safe place to live/lick their wounds.
-Continue having and raising the ...prophecied?... nine kids.
-Get as far into cultivating Odr until one of the Enemy's landmines goes off.
 
Let's see, what's on Halla's bucket list?

-Kill Horra and get the Seeress to teach seidr to Halla (so that we have it as part of our knowledge base and don't have to start from scratch with the next generation)
-Follow up on Vestfold and the amulet that Halla's mother left her.
-Establish our farm to a degree where the Murderkittens and the other wandering descendents have a safe place to live/lick their wounds.
-Continue having and raising the ...prophecied?... nine kids.
-Get as far into cultivating Odr until one of the Enemy's landmines goes off.

I'd add 'Become a Jarl' to this, and 'Establish long term alliances as much as possible' but that otherwise looks like a good list.

I had a flash of a thought;

Office worker norse cultivator

*blinks* what
 
It absolutely is. So is traveling the Holy Roman Empire, though. Halla is gonna make another trip or two (I still think we make a trading voyage to Wessex to return Gabriel home after Horra's dead, and then the trip to deal with mom's amulet...these could probably be combined), but nothing long term because she has responsibilities at home.
A shorter travel through the HRE could be one of the actions we take when we are ready to gamble Hallas life knowing that our heirs are ready.

I don't think we're gonna forget that. Given Blackhand's reaction to Charlemagne I don't think he'll let us.
Coexisting while being aware of Blackhands warning is current status quo.
Bible study trait could be about better understanding them while keeping a distance. It could be the start of syncretism. It could be the start of not taking Blackhands warning quite as serious as we should.
 
A shorter travel through the HRE could be one of the actions we take when we are ready to gamble Hallas life knowing that our heirs are ready.

I suppose that's possible in 25 years or whatever it winds up being.

Coexisting while being aware of Blackhands warning is current status quo.
Bible study trait could be about better understanding them while keeping a distance. It could be the start of syncretism. It could be the start of not taking Blackhands warning quite as serious as we should.

Absolutely nothing about bible study has even hinted at the idea that we're neglecting to see Christians as dangerous or considering conversion. Or even not seeing them as weird...we're just better understanding their specific variety of weird.
 
The far future of this setting, where society has advanced to a point where office worker is now a job.

Except, cultivation hasn't advanced with society.

So you're this big, buff, insanely powerful viking warrior dude, except you're working a 9–5 in an office. White shirt, dress pants, oxfords.

Think Mr Incredible's office job in that start of that movie, except viking.


Except for the 'n' its only alitteration.
Could do 'Laughably Lonely'.

Got a name?
 
I'm not actually sure Fylgja helps drastically with any of the stuff we're currently doing? Well, it helps bring things into our soul but, like, it's powerful enough for that already, and we're likely gonna boost it once more with Odr...I'm not against increasing it, I'm just not sure we need to spend a lot of dice on doing so when it will rise to 5 fairly soon (in a bit over a year) at 1 a turn.

What makes you think raising it is more urgent than that?

My theory is that Norse Cultivation is linked with the main stats of our character: Hamr (The Body), Hugr (The Mind) and Fylgja (The Spirit). To unlock new stages of cultivation all the stats must be at least of a certain level.

So if we want to advance towards the next stages of cultivation our Fylgja must be equal to our other stats.

We have already seen how our Fylgja is used to advance our cultivation by bringing things into our soul, a more powerful Fylgja could bring more or better things inside our soul or act as a defense against spiritual predators.
 
My theory is that Norse Cultivation is linked with the main stats of our character: Hamr (The Body), Hugr (The Mind) and Fylgja (The Spirit). To unlock new stages of cultivation all the stats must be at least of a certain level.

So if we want to advance towards the next stages of cultivation our Fylgja must be equal to our other stats.

I'm pretty sure the minimum level of stats for the next level of cultivation is laughably low. There almost certainly was no minimum level for Saga Establishment, and the next level likely requires 4 at the highest even if you're right. I'm also pretty sure Halla isn't gonna even try for the 'next level of cultivation' for many years, as it's likely to kill her and she has a family to take care of. We'll do it eventually, but not any time soon.

Like, Halla isn't anywhere close to even trying to pursue the next Realm, meaning that even if you're correct we have many years before our Fylgja needs to be higher for this reason

We have already seen how our Fylgja is used to advance our cultivation by bringing things into our soul, a more powerful Fylgja could bring more or better things inside our soul or act as a defense against spiritual predators.

There doesn't appear to be a cap to what the fylgja can carry and if there is, we don't have access to anything that exceeds it. As for spiritual predators, we need actual abilities to really fight them...maybe once we know seidr the fylgja can do that.
 
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Another thought: odr is the equivalent of the Christian Holy Spirit.

This is where I sort of wave my hands and go "vibes!" but it's based on my read of the wikipedia article on it, which describes it as both a god separate from Odin, another name for Odin, and a sort of Odinforce that can possess people (hello Christian glossolalia).
 
Another thought: odr is the equivalent of the Christian Holy Spirit.

This is where I sort of wave my hands and go "vibes!" but it's based on my read of the wikipedia article on it, which describes it as both a god separate from Odin, another name for Odin, and a sort of Odinforce that can possess people (hello Christian glossolalia).
...oh gods, imagine if we went with the learning owl....
*Odin wants you to seek knowledge, no mattar what*
 
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iirc, he said something similar of the Enemy's probe attack too.

My bet is on the witch being manipulated, but we will see...
(and if its not her, i want to meet her and get the damn story line closed, one way or the other.)
 
If it's about fylgja, I wonder if infusing odr is how you get your Sleipnirs/Gullinbursti/Thor's goats, your supernatural animal companions. Though that seems more a matter of binding spirit animals, which we already have reason to think might be useful.

Further thoughts - how the hell does the Eastern Orthodox church not practice Christian cultivation? I was thinking that might be a transubstantiation issue but reviewing the actual schisms that doesn't seem to fit. 🤔

Also no clear idea what Roman cultivation would even be.
 
Yeah, that does make some sense, Fylgja is literally our soul, we saw it when we brought it into our Soul Realm that it just looked like Halla. It's just that it needs to wear the shape of an animal to operate outside of it apparently.

Given that it's also the only Attribute that you don't necessarily have from birth, high level Fylgja probably interacts with Odr in very significant ways.
 
My best guess is that Roman cultivation is less mystical and more like Orthstirr, but instead of Norse ideals it's based off being the ideal civic Roman. Perhaps having stages like Equite, Senator and Imperator/Emperor. But my knowledge of Rome is fairly surface level.
 
If it's about fylgja, I wonder if infusing odr is how you get your Sleipnirs/Gullinbursti/Thor's goats, your supernatural animal companions. Though that seems more a matter of binding spirit animals, which we already have reason to think might be useful.

We have in fact infused Odr into our fylgja stat...it's nice, but didn't do anything weird. There might be a secret there, but it's not as simple as putting odr into our fylgja.

Further thoughts - how the hell does the Eastern Orthodox church not practice Christian cultivation? I was thinking that might be a transubstantiation issue but reviewing the actual schisms that doesn't seem to fit. 🤔

Also no clear idea what Roman cultivation would even be.

Thinking of it as Christian Cultivation is a mistake. Like, it's understandable, and you do need to be Christian to practice the school of cultivation we're referring to, but it's still almost as much of a mistake as referring to Norse cultivation as 'Pagan Cultivation' would be.

Any system of cultivation is woven through the whole culture and society...religion is a part of that, but hardly the only part. So it's not a religious schism it's a wildly different culture leading the religion to manifest in different ways.
 
I'm pretty sure the minimum level of stats for the next level of cultivation is laughably low. There almost certainly was no minimum level for Saga Establishment, and the next level likely requires 4 at the highest even if you're right. I'm also pretty sure Halla isn't gonna even try for the 'next level of cultivation' for many years, as it's likely to kill her and she has a family to take care of. We'll do it eventually, but not any time soon.
Could also be that first level was based on stats and the next level will be about stats infused.

Or that we enter our Soulscape and try the Aspects stuff there.
Or that we cultivate at home, open the gate and then go through it before closing it.
 
Could also be that first level was based on stats and the next level will be about stats infused.

Or that we enter our Soulscape and try the Aspects stuff there.
Or that we cultivate at home, open the gate and then go through it before closing it.

Oh definitely. That wasn't intended to be an exhaustive list, just a bit on why, even if it is stat based, raising fylgja is not urgent due to any cultivation reasons we're aware of. We do want to raise it, and there may be unknown factors that make that even more of a thing, but 'needing it for the next Realm' is not an urgent concern basically no matter what.
 
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