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Aw, sad there is no owl gatcha...
And yeah, I am leaning towards the opinion we are never seeing the ledger again, this life at least.
Unless we loot another from somewhere.
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
--[X] See if we can figure out what the effects of Nordic Armor would be if we offered a portion of Orthstirr gained while using it as a sacrifice – 1 Research
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I mean... What type of aid did we asked from the gods?
Like, that's what knightly armor does, following what's written in the Latin prayers. And adapts to the knight wearing it.
On another note though, can a Jarl also power it? Can a steel father?
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
-[X] Examine our Bolt Thrower again with an eye to figuring out how to reproduce it...right before the season ends, try using a Rewrite to gain the necessary insight to do so – 1 Research
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We can just buy the blueprints from Hasvir, if we are gonna talk with him anyways.
 
Imperial Fister said:
On the current topic of going to space, I actually spoke briefly on it a long while back.
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Wasn't it something like there not being space, just a dome that the stars are stuck on, and the Sun and Moon travel across it, so we can just fly to the Sun and stick our hand in it if we wanted to get Sunfire as a real Hugarindia and not an Alloy and not have to care about breathing or the distance as theres air the whole way there and its just a bloody long way and not the 96 million miles it is irl
 
TheCount said:
And yeah, I am leaning towards the opinion we are never seeing the ledger again, this life at least.
Unless we loot another from somewhere.
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Not if Clan Duckling have anything to say about it. They are a corporation taking a loss. Every single turn, potentially forever. It's a smaller loss than it could be, but they're still a profit-driven entity taking a loss.

TheCount said:
I mean... What type of aid did we asked from the gods?
Like, that's what knightly armor does, following what's written in the Latin prayers. And adapts to the knight wearing it.
On another note though, can a Jarl also power it? Can a steel father?
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Checking a few different types seems reasonable. I'll maybe fiddle a little with the wording.

TheCount said:
We can just buy the blueprints from Hasvir, if we are gonna talk with him anyways.
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He probably doesn't have them. They were in the farm when it was completely destroyed. But also, I'd like to see if we can use a Rewrite to force something more 'mundane' like this...an additional understanding.
 
Rewrites change the rules, so I am pretty sure you need to be doing something that actually gets you new info to have a rewrite get you new info.
 
Shard said:
Rewrites change the rules, so I am pretty sure you need to be doing something that actually gets you new info to have a rewrite get you new info.
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Hence actually looking at the Bolt Thrower. Reverse engineering an item you have an actual copy of is absolutely possible...we just weren't able to last time for some reason. Higher Hugr alone might let us do it this time, or a Rewrite might smooth the process, but honestly this should not be a 'cannot get there from here' situation even without a Rewrite...there's a reason the Rewrite is conditional on us not being able to figure it out without that.

Like, we have a working example, duplicating it should be doable.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Hence actually looking at the Bolt Thrower. Reverse engineering an item you have an actual copy of is absolutely possible...we just weren't able to last time for some reason. Higher Hugr alone might let us do it this time, or a Rewrite might smooth the process, but honestly this should not be a 'cannot get there from here' situation even without a Rewrite...there's a reason the Rewrite is conditional on us not being able to figure it out without that.

Like, we have a working example, duplicating it should be doable.
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.... Last time?
When we asked Sten to look it over and found out it wasa sloppy copy of the dwarf made thing?
 
I would rather we tried using a Rewrite to see if we can teach a Hugareida instead. Maybe we can teach one of our triplet children Ignition.
 
Shard said:
I would rather we tried using a Rewrite to see if we can teach a Hugareida instead. Maybe we can teach one of our triplet children Ignition.
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I mean, we get the opportunity again every season.

More importantly, I'm pretty skeptical this works, especially since it sets up an extremely boring next generation as they get all our good Hugareida (there'd be literally no reason not to teach all our kids Ignition and Standstill at the very least)...like, the game and story are made less fun by that working. Which makes me, like 95% sure it won't work, and also makes me not want to try because it working would be actively bad OOC.

Like, we've been talking about how we want our next PC to use different Hugareida, but if this worked, that idea goes away pretty completely because there's no logical reason for Halla not to teach them everything.

A more reasonable idea is to try and use them to be able to spend xp on existing Hugareida (which would have a lot less problems), but this turn our xp is currently focused on Hugr and in the next few turns a lot of it is gonna be focused on Sword Stepping, so that's not the best choice right now.
 
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The only way I'd see myself letting you teach hugareida in that way is if you spent, like, 1000 xp on it, with no way of reducing the cost
 
Deadman... Why, exactly, do we need to reproduce the bolt thrower?

Like, sure, it's a neat surprise, but unless we go for an archer built, it loses its shine quick.

And I doubt we will do that in any life.

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Imperial Fister said:
The only way I'd see myself letting you teach hugareida in that way is if you spent, like, 1000 xp on it, with no way of reducing the cost
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There goes teaching the kids Campfire and Clearwater :V
 
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TheCount said:
Deadman... Why, exactly, do we need to reproduce the bolt thrower?

Like, sure, it's a neat surprise, but unless we go for an archer built, it loses its shine quick.

And I doubt we will do that in any life.
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Not deadman, but I know in the discord there was talk of arming spirits in the soulscape with bolt throwers as a defense for when we do the big cultivating.
 
TheCount said:
Deadman... Why, exactly, do we need to reproduce the bolt thrower?

Like, sure, it's a neat surprise, but unless we go for an archer built, it loses its shine quick.

And I doubt we will do that in any life.
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If we reproduce it ourselves with Magical Iron we can gain +5 Combat Pool, +1 Damage, and various rune effects, since we can actually make one. It's not a make or break thing, but it's a sufficient advantage that it's worth spending 1 Research on attempting.

Plus, it's a little more than a nice surprise, it's currently our main non-Fire ranged offense, which is pretty relevant and worth keeping in mind. It's also worth noting that our tripled Basic Attacks from our recent Fylgja boost make the Bolt Thrower much better. Like, by a lot, as it's a way we can do Basic Attacks for up to 18 damage (assuming magical iron of some sort)...Basic Attacks otherwise max out at 13 damage. The ability to make tripled attacks for 18 damage rather than 13 is very good.

I also think the assumption we'll never play an archer may be premature. I can easily see us doing so, depending on circumstances and choices.

mythfan12 said:
Not deadman, but I know in the discord there was talk of arming spirits in the soulscape with bolt throwers as a defense for when we do the big cultivating.
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This is also a factor. Bolt Throwers, as weapons with base damage higher than 1, are great for punching up, something it might be very useful to arm people on our side to succeed at, at some point. Spirits very much included.

TheCount said:
There goes teaching the kids Campfire and Clearwater :V
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Jokes aside, IF's response was specific to using Rewrites to do it...other methods remain valid including the 'you just can' factor for Clearwater and Campfire.
 
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mythfan12 said:
Not deadman, but I know in the discord there was talk of arming spirits in the soulscape with bolt throwers as a defense for when we do the big cultivating.
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I see.
Those explanations would be nice to be shared in the plans too, because it's was a big "But why?" from me.
It's also on me for not looking in the discord, even if I read the updates in the morning.
The backlog though... *shivers*
 
TheCount said:
I see.
Those explanations would be nice to be shared in the plans too, because it's was a big "But why?" from me.
It's also on me for not looking in the discord, even if I read the updates in the morning.
The backlog though... *shivers*
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The Discord thing was not my primary motivation or I would've mentioned it (I try very hard to do that with Discord stuff). My primary motivations were the other stuff. Sorry for not putting a fuller explanation of some of the plan details into the post on the plan...I posted it in a slight hurry as I was eating at the time (the plan was made in advance, mind you...nothing in the Dwarf Deal changed anything, only the explanation was rushed).
 
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
If we reproduce it ourselves with Magical Iron we can gain +5 Combat Pool, +1 Damage, and various rune effects, since we can actually make one. It's not a make or break thing, but it's a sufficient advantage that it's worth spending 1 Research on attempting.
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Still think it's not worth it.

But at least, can you add asking Sten for help? He recognised it's a bad copy of the dwarf one, perhaps he knows how to make the mechanical parts or can do it on the original quality.
 
TheCount said:
Still think it's not worth it.
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I mean...as compared to what? Those benefits are pretty solid compared to a lot of research stuff we've done, if we can actually succeed at it.

TheCount said:
But at least, can you add asking Sten for help? He recognised it's a bad copy of the dwarf one, perhaps he knows how to make the mechanical parts or can do it on the original quality.
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Sure, seems reasonable. EDIT: And added.
 
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Oh, right, I've got a better idea than wasting our Rewrite on a boondoggle @DeadmanwalkingXI

Spend a Research Point to play around with storing things in our House, figure out what the capacity on it is for instance, and what can be hidden there and how we can bring stuff out of it.

I had that idea that having a House was necessary to control Beyond Third Grade Frenzy due to my theory that Frenzy becomes a single discrete unit after 9 points of it, and can thus no longer be held in Fasts, and that a House's capacity was the way around that.
 
Alectai said:
Oh, right, I've got a better idea than wasting our Rewrite on a boondoggle @DeadmanwalkingXI
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We can't waste them, they go away at the end of this turn anyway. If we have any Rewrite-based ideas now is the time...I'd be hard pressed to replace either of them with a non-rewrite idea just because this is the only turn that's true until the end of Summer (and even then, only if they go unused all Summer). If I were gonna do anything in that regard, it'd be dropping a non-Rewrite piece of research for Skippy's Stoking Engage/Kindle Spinner idea. Which I'm tempted by.

Alectai said:
Spend a Research Point to play around with storing things in our House, figure out what the capacity on it is for instance, and what can be hidden there and how we can bring stuff out of it.

I had that idea that having a House was necessary to control Beyond Third Grade Frenzy due to my theory that Frenzy becomes a single discrete unit after 9 points of it, and can thus no longer be held in Fasts, and that a House's capacity was the way around that.
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This is an excellent idea, but not one requiring a Rewrite (and, as mentioned above, I'd like to prioritize those this turn specifically), and not desperately urgent, so I'll pencil it in for next turn.
 
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Can we also pencil in trying to store Calm Charges elsewhere? Can they be stored in a Fast, like Frenzy? What about in Hugr Capacity, like a trick? Can we put it out into physical form?
 
Shard said:
Can we also pencil in trying to store Calm Charges elsewhere? Can they be stored in a Fast, like Frenzy? What about in Hugr Capacity, like a trick? Can we put it out into physical form?
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I mean...why? Are we trying to build up a store for later? Because I'm dubious of that working, and otherwise I'm not seeing the point (whatever storage Calm Charges use, it's for them only, so we don't gain anything out of moving them out of it). That said, it's not out of the question (as a theoretical exercise or something), but probably not until around this time next year (when we'll have some and they'll be about to refresh).
 
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I'm having weird power fluctuations as a result of a freak snowstorm—Kansas weather, everyone—and so may have difficulties writing the next update. Fortunately, we've swapped to the new schedule and it happens to land on a no-update day rather than an update day, so it, fingers crossed, should be all good.

Regardless, I'll call the vote in an hour and a half.
 
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