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KittyEmpress said:
And put that power towards killing Drysalt.
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I have a lot of concerns about this plan for a host of obvious reasons, but my biggest issue is actually that I suspect Surtr would side with Drysalt and not empower us against him. Like, I'd bet that even if we were willing to do all the awful stuff involved, it still wouldn't work.
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On a completely separate note, having made Superior Gambesons for everyone (including Halla), we now have the stats on those (in the post with the other armor, which is the Iron Cost of Forging Things post).
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I have a lot of concerns about this plan for a host of obvious reasons, but my biggest issue is actually that I suspect Surtr would side with Drysalt and not empower us against him
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I'm interested in this specific concern, I don't see why Surtr would side with Drysalt personally? There's not too much of a connection between the two in my head, except I suppose that both are Bad Dudes, but they certainly don't seem to be bad dudes who are working together at all, or even all that aware of each other?

Is this just 'Surtr wants to kill everyone, so he would side with the one wanting to murder people'?
 
KittyEmpress said:
I'm interested in this specific concern, I don't see why Surtr would side with Drysalt personally? There's not too much of a connection between the two in my head, except I suppose that both are Bad Dudes, but they certainly don't seem to be bad dudes who are working together at all, or even all that aware of each other?

Is this just 'Surtr wants to kill everyone, so he would side with the one wanting to murder people'?
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That plus the 'against the Gods' thing...Drysalt is on the Jotun side, pretty clearly, as are trolls in general and Surtr is a Jotun (or on the same side anyway). Backing a follower of the Gods against his own side isn't an impossible thing for him to do, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
All projects for Dorri have always used Dorri's Iron not ours. And it absolutely is worth keeping Dorri's suspicions down...right now he's gonna wait for Drysalt's thing to go off in 3 years...if he thinks we're actually on to him rather than just being inconvenient he may try and speed up that timetable.
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See, thing is, Dorri is already playing silly buggers with us for the deal. As it stands, it actually should look suspicious that we're still giving him stuff even when we haven't seen a single piece of silver.
 
Shard said:
See, thing is, Dorri is already playing silly buggers with us for the deal. As it stands, it actually should look suspicious that we're still giving him stuff even when we haven't seen a single piece of silver.
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Going from several to none still potentially looks suspicious. Going down from 2 to 1 looks like we're giving him a chance to start dealing fairly with us.
 
Shard said:
I mean, not responding when being antagonized is also suspicious.
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Yes, which is why we're responding. Going from 2 items per season to 1 is a response. And we may go to 0 if we get nothing by the end of Summer. I'm just saying it should be a little more gradual. Especially since expecting him to get loot out of the items during Winter is a bit unreasonable.
 
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Yes, which is why we're responding. Going from 2 items per season to 1 is a response. And we may go to 0 if we get nothing by the end of Summer. I'm just saying it should be a little more gradual. Especially since expecting him to get loot out of the items during Winter is a bit unreasonable.
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It's a very milquetoast response. Since Dorri has had two years to get to us on our deal. Alas we only learned of Dorri's deal-dickery recently as opposed to last year (in which case we would have dropped to 1 last year and 0 this year), but here we are.

It's also uncoordinated. Stopping the making of armor is a much stronger statement when we do it in coordination with Sten. Instead we're giving him better armor of all things. Like, superior armor is something anyone can theoretically make.
 
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Alectai said:
Hey, @DeadmanwalkingXI , @Imperial Fister , would you both be amenable about replacing that research option with my idea about exploring using our Soulhome as storage? I suggested it but got rebuffed because the rewrites were about to expire, so...
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I'm certainly down with that. The difference between doing that now or with our free refunded Research next turn is probably academic, though.
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I mean, I proposed a Research action which would use a Rewrite just above...
 
Shard said:
It's a very milquetoast response. Since Dorri has had two years to get to us on our deal. Alas we only learned of Dorri's deal-dickery recently as opposed to last year (in which case we would have dropped to 1 last year and 0 this year), but here we are.

It's also uncoordinated. Stopping the making of armor is a much stronger statement when we do it in coordination with Sten. Instead we're giving him better armor of all things. Like, superior armor is something anyone can theoretically make.
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Giving him one set as a teaser still makes sense to me, but it's too late to change things anyway, so can we not relitigate decisions already made? Like...the vote is over, the decision is made, it's done, let's stop arguing.

Skippy said:
I mean, I proposed a Research action which would use a Rewrite just above...
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I'd also be down with that, and indeed mentioned doing it if we can before our Rewrites refresh. I dunno if that's an available option, though.
 
KittyEmpress said:
Can we use a rewrite to rewrite Bjorney into metaphysically being our son, so he can learn Stoker Style?
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We have already adopted Bjorney haven't we? He is our son, Norse count adoptions as equivalent to birth by blood. He metaphysically is our son.

Now if Stoker State needs Born in Fire to work that's a whole different issue.
 
We know that Asva can learn Stoker State so Bjorney has good odds of being able to practice it as well... Is Bjorney a valid inheritor for Charred Soul? And if so what are his traits?

Also. I kind of want us to create a set of godly armor for each major God and jotun we can think of. Then die without passing on the secrets of their creation. Mostly to maximize their uniqueness and super prototype energy. Make them into legendary McGuffins.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I'd also be down with that, and indeed mentioned doing it if we can before our Rewrites refresh. I dunno if that's an available option, though.
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@Imperial Fister, to avoid wasting the Rewrite before it refreshes, could we substitute the research that got cancelled with my idea of using a Rewrite to create a monster-mash of Stoking Engage and Kindle Spinner, so that Halla may harness the awesome power of Vegeta's Technique?

Happy to throw in a Reward Dice if it helps grease the proverbial wheels.
 
Grytorm said:
We know that Asva can learn Stoker State so Bjorney has good odds of being able to practice it as well... Is Bjorney a valid inheritor for Charred Soul? And if so what are his traits?
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I believe we've been told he isn't a valid inheritor.

Grytorm said:
Also. I kind of want us to create a set of godly armor for each major God and jotun we can think of. Then die without passing on the secrets of their creation. Mostly to maximize their uniqueness and super prototype energy. Make them into legendary McGuffins.
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Sten knows how to make them. Also, they can be reverse engineered. We also probably don't really have enough Iron for that.
 
Imperial Fister said:
(3 out of ??? Progress to learning Vestige: Sword-Stepping!)
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Vestige. And sword stepping is just one part of it....
@Imperial Fister Hey Blackhand, i remember you don't recall much about martial styles, but did swordstep remind you of anything?

The fact that the word Vestige is somehow there.... just what other remnants could float around... and what are they a part of?
This really wants me to push more for an Style built on Charred Soul...
Is sword-stepping just another "so good its usable by everyone" tech of another style? just people forgot what the style is?
Imperial Fister said:
Together with Sten, you comb through all the stories you know of the Allfather. In doing so, you collect a list of possible ways armor of Odin could strengthen you.
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So the plates and their abilities are kind of color coded huh?
Nordic Sentai/Kamen/Power Rangers when? :V
Joke aside, if its only about calling on someone for aid, we could, in theory, use anyone that has stories circulating about them. Like our ancestors, for example.
Imperial Fister said:
Hey everyone, IF here. While this idea of yours would work, it wouldn't be very fun for me as the QM so I'm going to have to veto it. I'll refund you the research as compensation.
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Just asking to be sure, but can it still be done as a one of, instead of a constant one? Like how Hooknails made puncture apply to his every attack, could we put puncture on a single shaprened attack? We currently, do not have the "Spear Volley" attack that Hooknails did, but if we pick up something similar, could we use two rewrite to have them all sharpened and have puncture applied on them?
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Those slots are in our fylgja...the ability to do other stuff with them is thus limited. And I'm honestly fine either way, I just don't feel it's super urgent...that's all I was saying.
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Neither was the thrower. its also just an okay one and we do not need to be able to reproduce it to put runes on it and the bow part should be easy enough to replace as is.
KittyEmpress said:
And put that power towards killing Drysalt.
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Weren't we told that nothing made in/from Midgard can kill him?
 
TheCount said:
Vestige. And sword stepping is just one part of it....
@Imperial Fister Hey Blackhand, i remember you don't recall much about martial styles, but did swordstep remind you of anything?

The fact that the word Vestige is somehow there.... just what other remnants could float around... and what are they a part of?
This really wants me to push more for an Style built on Charred Soul...
Is sword-stepping just another "so good its usable by everyone" tech of another style? just people forgot what the style is?
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Per IF Vestiges are things that are culture agnostic...a cultivator from any culture could learn them. Sword Stepping works with other weapons and is, basically, the 'one with your weapon' concept in action...something universal to people with weapons. How it works beyond that remains a big ??? but that's what Vestiges are. I thought this had been mentioned in the thread, but it might've been something he only brought up on Discord.

TheCount said:
Neither was the thrower. its also just an okay one and we do not need to be able to reproduce it to put runes on it and the bow part should be easy enough to replace as is.
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The bolt thrower is a significantly bigger combat bump than a few Fasts freed up in our fylgja IMO, but no it wasn't urgent. It was this turn rather than another one largely just in case we needed to use a Rewrite on it. Which we turned out not to need to do, but that was the urgency there, such as it was. Without that, I probably would've put it off a turn for Skippy's idea.
 
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So Puncture+Sharpen is a legal Alloy, just Puncture+Sharpen+Rewrite isn't? Could we get that on the Alloy list?
 
Shard said:
So Puncture+Sharpen is a legal Alloy, just Puncture+Sharpen+Rewrite isn't? Could we get that on the Alloy list?
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Sure. Gimme a minute. EDIT: And added.

Blademaster said:
Would alloying Sharpen with stoker state encounter the same problem?

Also maybe alloying it with firebomb strike?
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We already have Hamr and Ignition as valid Stoker State Alloys, which are like these but better (as they effect more things).

We could try Sharpen and Firebomb Strike, I suppose...I dunno exactly how that would work, honestly. Maybe give us FBS damage but count as a Basic? That'd be cool if so...
 
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I think the reason IF disliked it is that if Puncture is applied to everything very cheaply, it sorta removes the decision point of whether to use it, and the interplay you get of interspersing some attacks with Puncture to clear Perfect defences in with attacks lacking it. Alloying Sharpen to stuff probably does not have the same issues, so long as it also does not produce a similar effect of "this trivialises a part of the combat system".

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Sure. Gimme a minute. EDIT: And added.

We already have Hamr and Ignition as valid Stoker State Alloys, which are like these but better (as they effect more things).

We could try Sharpen and Firebomb Strike, I suppose...I dunno exactly how that would work, honestly. Maybe give us FBS damage but count as a Basic? That'd be cool if so...
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Creating an explosive hardened blade of fire surrounding our sword, perhaps? Maybe something more like a shaped charge, like the HEAT rounds that can be used on tanks.

It's a neat idea.
 
Skippy said:
I think the reason IF disliked it is that if Puncture is applied to everything very cheaply, it sorta removes the decision point of whether to use it, and the interplay you get of interspersing some attacks with Puncture to clear Perfect defences in with attacks lacking it. Alloying Sharpen to stuff probably does not have the same issues, so long as it also does not produce a similar effect of "this trivialises a part of the combat system".
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Yeah, Sharpen + Puncture without the prohibition on using it on other stuff (which would prohibit Puncture on things like Sunfire and is thus a huge restriction) is just 'I have Puncture on most attacks all the time, for free' it technically costs an Alloy, but it being a bit too good is understandable.

Skippy said:
Creating an explosive hardened blade of fire surrounding our sword, perhaps? Maybe something more like a shaped charge, like the HEAT rounds that can be used on tanks.

It's a neat idea.
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Yeah, we should check that out.
 
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