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- United States
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- He/Him
[X] Father's Cindersoot Owl
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
- Thread starter I.F. Ister
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- Original Fantasy Action
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- norse mythology original xianxia cultivation western cultivation ask sirihand did your mother tell you anything? discussion pleases yggdrasil farming gloating gets people killed granary management hubris is a coward's word no seriously you will die norsemen do not die when they are killed the qm has a bad memory the qm is bad at math try not to die viking courtroom drama (legal drama) vikings you will die
[X] Father's Cindersoot Owl
AeonIlluminate
The power of friendship and aggressive landscaping
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- some computer lab
[X] Father's Cindersoot Owl
I like this both narratively and mechanically.
I like this both narratively and mechanically.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
[X] Honored Cindersoot Owl
Going against the gain, but I know what Orthstirr does and I don't really get what basic moves are so I'm voting for the thing I understand and isn't a one-time bonus that we are already working to getting already.
Going against the gain, but I know what Orthstirr does and I don't really get what basic moves are so I'm voting for the thing I understand and isn't a one-time bonus that we are already working to getting already.
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On a purely mechanical level, I'm torn between this and Honored (which is also very good)...which is better is very debatable. But yeah, thematically Father's is likely better.
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[X] Father's Cindersoot Owl
- Location
- New Zealand
It would be amusing if the "Father's Cindersoot Owl" has dog traits.
[X] Father's Cindersoot Owl
[X] Father's Cindersoot Owl
Woo hoo! We're a hero!
[X] Father's Cindersoot Owl
I'm voting for this forthose sick dice bonuses our father's memory.
Also, returning to a previous topic, I went down a bit of a rabbit hole:
European style crossbows are just extremely energy-inefficient in general as the draw weights get higher. Leaving aside the inherent inefficiency of steel bows due to inertia, they get sort of trapped in a vicious cycle where the draw weight has to be high to get enough power, but this means too high a draw length is actively dangerous because you've got the best part of half a ton of tension holding a piece of steel a foot in front of your skull, but short draw lengths are extremely inefficient, meaning the draw weight has to go up... By contrast Asian style crossbows (which are essentially a regular wooden compound bow fitted to a stock) are much more efficient, and this is essentially the setup modern crossbows use, along with some other tricks like pulleys for assisting the draw. Tod of Tod's Workshop on YouTube has a great video comparing a 150lbs modern compound crossbow and a 960lbs reproduction medieval crossbow. The reproduction bow is actually one he made himself, so you know he's an expert.
Metal bows were a lot more common in India as they had really impressive metallurgy, but as far as I'm aware from various discussions on here they were not noticeably better than wooden bows in terms of performance, and probably a little worse. The advantage of a metal bow was more to do with the climate and context in which they existed. (As it usually is for weapons.) If you're an Indian prince and your local craftsmen are top-notch at making incredible steel, then you can keep a whole rack of steel bows unstrung and oiled in your armoury for years, whereas wooden bows will tend to degrade quite quickly in high humidity or with high temperature shifts. (Both of which India has in abundance.) Also it's easy to bling out a metal bow as a display item, many Mughal examples are gorgeous.
This page has a really pretty example of an Indian steel bow at the bottom if you scroll down, and also mentions that some bows were made of Wootz steel - something familiar to me from the legendary "Damascus" steel used for swords, but not in bow-making. Although it makes sense that you'd want similar strength and flexibility for both, the best modern swords tend to be made from the same grades of steel used for the leaf springs in cars. This thread I found on myArmoury.com (where I found the Atarn.org page linked) has a bit more discussion about Indian steel bows.
One interesting lacuna in all this, and a sort of partial exception to metal bows being less efficient than wooden bows, are hollow or tubular steel bows. A hollow steel tube can both be stronger for its weight and more flexible and "springy" than a solid bar of the same dimensions. Of course, producing this would be utterly beyond the means of any medieval craftsperson, but not modern manufacturing. There was briefly a craze for these bows amongst archery enthusiasts in the 1950s, representing the cutting edge of bow technology, before they vanished into obscurity as they were replaced by modern fiberglass bows starting in the 60s. But not before inspiring J.RR. Tolkien, who was apparently aware of hollow steel bows through friends or acquaintances, and put them into his legendarium as the signature longbows used by the Númenóreans.
It's very difficult to find much information on hollow steel bows because they sort of vanished as a thing, and I only knew about them via my interest in everything Tolkien. But in Googling links for this post, I managed to find a video of a man from an archery club in Winnipeg who owns one, passed down from an elderly gentlemen who sadly passed away at the time of filming. Sadly the video does not have him shooting the bow, but it does contain some really good shots of it and a lot of information, both about its shooting characteristics, and a bit of history. The claim that they were given to WW2 commandos interested me, I wonder if it was as a silent assassination weapon? It would certainly explain why there was a surge of popularity for them in the 50s if a lot of men trained with them, got demobilised and kept up their archery as a hobby. But I'd like to look into it a bit more.
[X] Father's Cindersoot Owl
I'm voting for this for
Also, returning to a previous topic, I went down a bit of a rabbit hole:
European style crossbows are just extremely energy-inefficient in general as the draw weights get higher. Leaving aside the inherent inefficiency of steel bows due to inertia, they get sort of trapped in a vicious cycle where the draw weight has to be high to get enough power, but this means too high a draw length is actively dangerous because you've got the best part of half a ton of tension holding a piece of steel a foot in front of your skull, but short draw lengths are extremely inefficient, meaning the draw weight has to go up... By contrast Asian style crossbows (which are essentially a regular wooden compound bow fitted to a stock) are much more efficient, and this is essentially the setup modern crossbows use, along with some other tricks like pulleys for assisting the draw. Tod of Tod's Workshop on YouTube has a great video comparing a 150lbs modern compound crossbow and a 960lbs reproduction medieval crossbow. The reproduction bow is actually one he made himself, so you know he's an expert.
Metal bows were a lot more common in India as they had really impressive metallurgy, but as far as I'm aware from various discussions on here they were not noticeably better than wooden bows in terms of performance, and probably a little worse. The advantage of a metal bow was more to do with the climate and context in which they existed. (As it usually is for weapons.) If you're an Indian prince and your local craftsmen are top-notch at making incredible steel, then you can keep a whole rack of steel bows unstrung and oiled in your armoury for years, whereas wooden bows will tend to degrade quite quickly in high humidity or with high temperature shifts. (Both of which India has in abundance.) Also it's easy to bling out a metal bow as a display item, many Mughal examples are gorgeous.
This page has a really pretty example of an Indian steel bow at the bottom if you scroll down, and also mentions that some bows were made of Wootz steel - something familiar to me from the legendary "Damascus" steel used for swords, but not in bow-making. Although it makes sense that you'd want similar strength and flexibility for both, the best modern swords tend to be made from the same grades of steel used for the leaf springs in cars. This thread I found on myArmoury.com (where I found the Atarn.org page linked) has a bit more discussion about Indian steel bows.
One interesting lacuna in all this, and a sort of partial exception to metal bows being less efficient than wooden bows, are hollow or tubular steel bows. A hollow steel tube can both be stronger for its weight and more flexible and "springy" than a solid bar of the same dimensions. Of course, producing this would be utterly beyond the means of any medieval craftsperson, but not modern manufacturing. There was briefly a craze for these bows amongst archery enthusiasts in the 1950s, representing the cutting edge of bow technology, before they vanished into obscurity as they were replaced by modern fiberglass bows starting in the 60s. But not before inspiring J.RR. Tolkien, who was apparently aware of hollow steel bows through friends or acquaintances, and put them into his legendarium as the signature longbows used by the Númenóreans.
It's very difficult to find much information on hollow steel bows because they sort of vanished as a thing, and I only knew about them via my interest in everything Tolkien. But in Googling links for this post, I managed to find a video of a man from an archery club in Winnipeg who owns one, passed down from an elderly gentlemen who sadly passed away at the time of filming. Sadly the video does not have him shooting the bow, but it does contain some really good shots of it and a lot of information, both about its shooting characteristics, and a bit of history. The claim that they were given to WW2 commandos interested me, I wonder if it was as a silent assassination weapon? It would certainly explain why there was a surge of popularity for them in the 50s if a lot of men trained with them, got demobilised and kept up their archery as a hobby. But I'd like to look into it a bit more.
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There's 0 chance it wins but I'm gonna vote for
[x] Honored Cindersoot Owl
I think it's the mechanically stronger option for Halla's build as is. It means we will have even more energy to spam into super expensive sunfire maneuvers, more energy to stutter step even more freely with, and just generally help our build more. We are a woman of a million tricks doing a million explosions. Let's have the energy for that.
We aren't exactly a basic attack pushing build and it'd be odd to switch to doing so, even if honoring your father is nice and all.
[x] Honored Cindersoot Owl
I think it's the mechanically stronger option for Halla's build as is. It means we will have even more energy to spam into super expensive sunfire maneuvers, more energy to stutter step even more freely with, and just generally help our build more. We are a woman of a million tricks doing a million explosions. Let's have the energy for that.
We aren't exactly a basic attack pushing build and it'd be odd to switch to doing so, even if honoring your father is nice and all.
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- Pittsburgh PA
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- He/Him
[x] Honored Cindersoot Owl
DangerKitty
shoddy writter
- Location
- lala land
[x] Honored Cindersoot Owl
We arent like most fighters. We rely heavily on orthstirr based moves and this lets us spam them even more as well as 'charge' moves even more.
IT also scales infinitely and should affect our passive yearly orthstirr gains in a HUGE way too.
We arent like most fighters. We rely heavily on orthstirr based moves and this lets us spam them even more as well as 'charge' moves even more.
IT also scales infinitely and should affect our passive yearly orthstirr gains in a HUGE way too.
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The thing is we already have enough energy for all of those things, while the benefits of tripling basics provide some fairly unique stuff (we can make attacks with total results in the 2000 range for only 100 Orthstirr or so, for instance), and buffs to our existing strategies (which do involve Basic Attacks, and can easily involve more Basic Defenses as contingencies...tripling those makes them very good).
The fact that it's a bit off from our standard tactics is also an advantage, as we can really surprise people with that enormous basic attack or our Orthficiency if we choose to utilize it.
This doesn't mean Honored is worse, mind you, as double Orthstirr is sincerely amazing, but I do think it does a lot to even things out.
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[] Honored Cindersoot Owl
[x] Father's Cindersoot Owl
A bigger pool will always be better, but Father makes what we have more effective and efficient.
We can complete Jarl-soul long before this Thread ends.
I'm not completely convinced of either but I think we have a big enough pool.
[x] Father's Cindersoot Owl
A bigger pool will always be better, but Father makes what we have more effective and efficient.
We can complete Jarl-soul long before this Thread ends.
I'm not completely convinced of either but I think we have a big enough pool.
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Yeah I don't think Father's is particularly terrible or anything - it makes basic attacks worth considering! That's neat. I just think that throwing endless rains of fireballs and sunfire is more our Thing.
We just learned one of the most destructive fire Hugareida ever, lets Embrace it, imo.
If we had even a little more focus on basic attacks as is I might be down to go for it it. It just feels odd to kludge in this late in the build.
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[x] Honored Cindersoot Owl
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In fairness, we have no less than three (or possibly four) Tricks specifically for getting more Basic Attacks out in less time, and use them decently regularly (Stoking Engage, Threadcutter, Sword Strike as a follow-up, and possibly Atgeir Strike). Basic Attacks are part of our build and have been for a bit...not the most important part, but definitely a part. And, of course, the fact that Sharpen synergizes hard with Father's is not to be underestimated at all. Our rolled personal defenses are also only pulled out after various contingencies have been and gone, and thus tend to be heavily invested in, which is a lot cheaper to set up with Father's.
We have some pretty solid synergy with it in a few ways, honestly.
Fabula Amanti
I want a Grimoire, but I got books.
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- Singapore
I'm a bit confused with how Norse Cultivation works and the tiers. Is there somewhere I can look to understand?
I assume the Saga Expansion is a tier of Norse Cultivation like Threads of Destiny's Red, Yellow, Green tiers. This is more spiritual cultivation I assume since the themes of soulscape and such seems to be more focused on one's inner world and self rather than what the world perceives you as.
Then, you have the Orthstirr which is more like physical cultivation but with the bent that it focuses on the person's life story. And the more renown you gain, the more the world recognises your power. An external type of cultivation.
And as for the term Hero, is that a Cultivation tier meant for the Orthstirr where you reputation have reached a stage where the world recognises you are a step above the common Norse?
I assume the Saga Expansion is a tier of Norse Cultivation like Threads of Destiny's Red, Yellow, Green tiers. This is more spiritual cultivation I assume since the themes of soulscape and such seems to be more focused on one's inner world and self rather than what the world perceives you as.
Then, you have the Orthstirr which is more like physical cultivation but with the bent that it focuses on the person's life story. And the more renown you gain, the more the world recognises your power. An external type of cultivation.
And as for the term Hero, is that a Cultivation tier meant for the Orthstirr where you reputation have reached a stage where the world recognises you are a step above the common Norse?