NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

Aabcehmu · Nov 8, 2023

🤔 I wonder, if the latin-literate thrall does want an explanation for why we want to know latin, if we could say "I want to offer a prayer for a christian friend of mine, who I think may be traveling a path he will regret, in a way that he will appreciate" as a satisfactory explanation? It doesn't even seem necessarily incorrect.

DeadmanwalkingXI · Nov 8, 2023

Aabcehmu said:
🤔 I wonder, if the latin-literate thrall does want an explanation for why we want to know latin, if we could say "I want to offer a prayer for a christian friend of mine, who I think may be traveling a path he will regret, in a way that he will appreciate" as a satisfactory explanation? It doesn't even seem necessarily incorrect.

That's perilously close to a lie. He'd also tell us you don't need to know Latin to pray, or alternately that we need a priest. I'd rather just stick to 'we want to know more about Christianity' which is objectively true. We can mention our Christian friend as well, but not like that.

Shard · Nov 8, 2023

KittyEmpress said:
I deadass expect it to be Jeramus again somehow. He went traveling and ended up a thrall. Again. In a completely different part of this continent.

Jerasmus is perfectly fine being a thrall if it serves his interests, and has a habit of making sure to look like a completely helpless dude despite being a super cultivator (long suspected+ He has enough Zeal to turbocharge Gabriel).

He would totally do it.

Blademaster · Nov 8, 2023

Shard said:
Jerasmus is perfectly fine being a thrall if it serves his interests, and has a habit of making sure to look like a completely helpless dude despite being a super cultivator (long suspected+ He has enough Zeal to turbocharge Gabriel).

He would totally do it.

I doubt he has really bad intentions though. he is the wandering old wizard trope, kinda. he hides his powers, but he is harmless simply because he truly doesn't wish harm. he seeks to convert people, but by words and not by force

Shard · Nov 8, 2023

Blademaster said:
I doubt he has really bad intentions though. he is the wandering old wizard trope, kinda. he hides his powers, but he is harmless simply because he truly doesn't wish harm. he seeks to convert people, but by words and not by force

That's arguably the most dangerous kind of person.

Someone like Jerasmus can actually enact change. Someone like Iwan the Steelfather? Cannot.

fearsome hill · Nov 8, 2023

just had a thought: gabriel can actually still complete his promise. einherjar are deployed outside of valhalla on occasion. gabriel has a long, long time to live so he just needs to consort with a sorcerer(seer) and have them send him to somewhere in the nine realms that einherjar are seen and then he just needs to be there and train untill steinarr comes knocking at some other problem.

sure this is an utterly insane plan, but so was his original promise so nothing would really change.

Shard · Nov 8, 2023

fearsome hill said:
just had a thought: gabriel can actually still complete his oath. einherjar are deployed outside of valhalla on occasion. gabriel has a long, long time to live so he just needs to consort with a sorcerer(seer) and have them send him to somewhere in the nine realms that einherjar are seen and then he just needs to be there and train untill steinarr comes knocking at some other problem.

sure this is an utterly insane plan but so was his original oath so nothing would really change.

Gabriel did not make an oath to kill our father. Also, oaths are not as binding on Chivalrics as they are on Norsemen.

OTOH "If you convert, become a worthy Einheri, you could meet him in the afterlife and then kill him there" would be pretty funny, but I seriously doubt Gabriel (or Halla) would even consider that as an option. It would be pretty damn wild if he actually went that route though. Possibly be, like, the first Norse Chivalric Cultivator ever.

fearsome hill · Nov 8, 2023

Shard said:
Gabriel did not make an oath to kill our father. Also, oaths are not as binding on Chivalrics as they are on Norsemen.

Good point
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Shard said:
OTOH "If you convert, become a worthy Einheri, you could meet him in the afterlife and then kill him there" would be pretty funny, but I seriously doubt Gabriel (or Halla) would even consider that as an option. It would be pretty damn wild if he actually went that route though. Possibly be, like, the first Norse Chivalric Cultivator ever.

he promised to kill steinarr greenthumb with full knowledge of how strong he was. while i dont think its the likeliest outcome, there is definetly like a solid 5% chance hed actually do that just to kill steinarr.

Shard · Nov 8, 2023

fearsome hill said:
he promised to kill steinarr greenthumb with full knowledge of how strong he was. while i dont think its the likeliest outcome, there is definetly like a solid 5% chance hed actually do that just to kill steinarr.

Converting just for a chance for vengeance would be peak.. peak something. I don't know what, but it would definitely be the peak of a something.

Bass11 · Nov 8, 2023

I mean the norse can send a living person into places where they can meet einheri we've done that ourselves with us fishing out Aki from the river. Gabirel knows a seeress that could send him into that place to kill Steinarr mind you it wouldn't stick but he'll kill Steinarr.

DeadmanwalkingXI · Nov 8, 2023

I honestly don't think Gabriel would care about killing Einherjar Steinarr....killing Einherjar doesn't actually do or mean anything other than proving one's ability to do so. It'd work to satisfy something mechanistic like an oath, but would not give Gabriel what he wants at all.

Skippy · Nov 8, 2023

Yeah, a trip to Wessex soonish to see Gabriel sounds like a good idea. It would also be cool to do another mission for Alfred.

We also need to work out how we're going to contact Asva, since that was a significant part of the decision to come here? Can we send her a message from town, or should we summon a spirit which can send a message?

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I honestly don't think Gabriel would care about killing Einherjar Steinarr....killing Einherjar doesn't actually do or mean anything other than proving one's ability to do so. It'd work to satisfy something mechanistic like an oath, but would not give Gabriel what he wants at all.

It might still provide some closure? Satisfying the wording of the oath could also be important depending on how magically-binding it was. Which might be not at all, but knightly vows might have similar effects to us making a vow on our own honour.

But yeah, hopefully if they ever do meet, Gabriel will be in a better place and have moved on from seeking revenge and death.

DeadmanwalkingXI · Nov 8, 2023

Skippy said:
Yeah, a trip to Wessex soonish to see Gabriel sounds like a good idea.

We also need to work out how we're going to contact Asva, since that was a significant part of the decision to come here? Can we send her a message from town, or should we summon a spirit which can send a message?

We should just be able to stop close to where she is and say hi. Even if it's not near Hedeby, it can't be that far comparatively to the rest of the trip.

Skippy said:
It might still provide some closure? Satisfying the wording of the oath could also be important depending on how magically-binding it was. Which might be not at all, but knightly vows might have similar effects to us making a vow on our own honour.

But yeah, hopefully if they ever do meet, Gabriel will be in a better place and have moved on from seeking revenge and death.

The thing is that Gabriel never swore an oath, I don't think. We certainly never saw him do so, and he never said he did. I really don't know where the idea he did came from, honestly.

Shard · Nov 8, 2023

If we go to Wessex again we would be going there to pick up Stigandr, Stigulf, Farbjorn, Torsten et al to conduct some vengeance on Dorri/Drysalt, right.

DeadmanwalkingXI · Nov 8, 2023

Shard said:
If we go to Wessex again we would be going there to pick up Stigandr, Stigulf, Farbjorn, Torsten et al to conduct some vengeance on Dorri/Drysalt, right.

Depending on the timing we might be setting up them coming later (when Fylgja messaged) if we're not ready to go for it right then...but one of the two, yeah.

Skippy · Nov 8, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
We should just be able to stop close to where she is and say hi. Even if it's not near Hedeby, it can't be that far comparatively to the rest of the trip.

Do we know where she is in relation to Hedeby? Also the plan to take her with us so she can be present for the ashes-scattering, right? I can't remember if it was that, or just to inform her of Steinarr's death. Although I presume she would be informed by now anyway given that the Jarl apparently knew, and news travels through traders and the like.

Overland travel is generally much slower than travel by sea, so I wouldn't necessarily assume the travel time would be short if she was in another part of Denmark. But it would be odd to have stopped at this specific port if it was far from where Asva lived, tbh. Halla could probably fly anywhere pretty quickly, but it's more difficult for us to transport someone back with us.

@Imperial Fister, where does Asva live and what's our best method for getting ahold of her?

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
The thing is that Gabriel never swore an oath, I don't think. We certainly never saw him do so, and he never said he did. I really don't know where the idea he did came from, honestly.

The ruined library filled with decaying parchment, bibliophile rodents and owls that is my brain. 😅

It doesn't seem implausible that he might have, though? But yes, completely conjectural at this point.

Blademaster · Nov 8, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I honestly don't think Gabriel would care about killing Einherjar Steinarr....killing Einherjar doesn't actually do or mean anything other than proving one's ability to do so. It'd work to satisfy something mechanistic like an oath, but would not give Gabriel what he wants at all.

on the other hand, I can definitely see Einherjar Steinnar just letting Gabriel kill him to fullfill his oath. especially given his own experience with vengeance.

I can really see this scene happening.

Gabriel:"are you just gonna stand there and let me kill you?"
Steinnar, shrugging:"its not gonna stick anyway, so, sure, why not?"

Bass11 · Nov 8, 2023

Blademaster said:
Gabriel:"are you just gonna stand there and let me kill you?"
Steinnar, shrugging:"its not gonna stick anyway, so, sure, why not?"

I mean, given this is Steinnar he's going to make Gabriel work for it. Given the Norse stuff on combat/sparring.

DeadmanwalkingXI · Nov 8, 2023

Skippy said:
The ruined library filled with decaying parchment, bibliophile rodents and owls that is my brain. 😅

It doesn't seem implausible that he might have, though? But yes, completely conjectural at this point.

It's not just you, everyone seems to have assumed that. I actually went back and checked to make sure I wasn't misremembering...there's no mention of an oath. He could theoretically have made one off-screen, but if so he didn't mention it when talking to Halla about the situation which seems weird to me...that seems like it would've come up.

Blademaster said:
on the other hand, I can definitely see Einherjar Steinnar just letting Gabriel kill him to fullfill his oath. especially given his own experience with vengeance.

If there was an oath he might. Near as I can tell there isn't.

Bass11 · Nov 8, 2023

Honestly, Steinarr just laying over and dying I don't think would work for the oath. He'll have to fight back to get Gabriel to have some satisfaction at Steinarr's defeat.

Blademaster · Nov 8, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
If there was an oath he might. Near as I can tell there isn't.

I know there isn't an oath. I was just imagining the scene, not saying there is any actual need for that or that its gonna actually happen

KittyEmpress · Nov 8, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
It's not just you, everyone seems to have assumed that. I actually went back and checked to make sure I wasn't misremembering...there's no mention of an oath. He could theoretically have made one off-screen, but if so he didn't mention it when talking to Halla about the situation which seems weird to me...that seems like it would've come up..

I don't think there's an oath to deal with. Just that fast cultivation seemed dangerous for him, and if he promised even just himself to live for revenge and get strong enough to avenge his master and friends, he's probably pursuing those fast paths again. Just like when he lost control and nearly tried to murder us.

alexthealright · Nov 8, 2023

KittyEmpress said:
I don't think there's an oath to deal with. Just that fast cultivation seemed dangerous for him, and if he promised even just himself to live for revenge and get strong enough to avenge his master and friends, he's probably pursuing those fast paths again. Just like when he lost control and nearly tried to murder us.

Honestly I think that Gabriel hasn't quite absorbed just how quickly Norsemen live and die, he probably thought Steinarr could make it to 80 or 90 at least considering how powerful he was.

Also I'm not sure he knew exactly how Steelfathers work so he might have thought that Steinarr was one.

This is all to say that he is probably advancing very quickly but thought that he had way more time than he actually did and wasn't quite as desperate as you might think.

I.F. Ister · Nov 8, 2023

alexthealright said:
Hey IF how expensive would it be to learn weather or not we can discuss/share cultivation secrets with other Odr Cultivators?

Not something I can tell you

Skippy said:
@Imperial Fister, where does Asva live and what's our best method for getting ahold of her?

I'm not going to lie, with all the trade talk going on, I completely forgot all about Asva being the reason you're in Denmark.

I'll handle it in this upcoming update.

0~0~0

I'll call the voting in an hour

DeadmanwalkingXI · Nov 8, 2023

KittyEmpress said:
I don't think there's an oath to deal with. Just that fast cultivation seemed dangerous for him, and if he promised even just himself to live for revenge and get strong enough to avenge his master and friends, he's probably pursuing those fast paths again. Just like when he lost control and nearly tried to murder us.

I think this is probably slight exaggeration of the situation, but a real worry and do want to head over and talk with Gabriel as soon as we can arrange it. When we can arrange it is the question at hand.

Imperial Fister said:
I'm not going to lie, with all the trade talk going on, I completely forgot all about Asva being the reason you're in Denmark.

I'll handle it in this upcoming update.

Cool, that works.

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