Obstacles are made to be overcome! A true Norseman would see that as a challenge and do his best to court the good Christian girl!
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
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Obstacles are made to be overcome! A true Norseman would see that as a challenge and do his best to court the good Christian girl!
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Tbh it's not being Christian that's an issue imo, we survived with Gabriel fine and he still fell for us, heathen and all. It's her being mortal. And most foreigners being mortal.
Edit: and I mean this in a 'coming with us would be Hella dangerous and she might die horribly which would be bad' way, not in a 'eugenics say we need to find them strong wives, not weak mortals'way.
I wanted to point that out because as soon as I posted it I said ick.
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Yeah, begin a mortal in Norse land is probably really dangerous. Somebody could give you a pat on the shoulder and accidently kill you.
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Gabriel's relationship with Halla would also have been unfortunately doomed to heartbreak due to lifespan issues.
And the mortality and Christianity are related, or, I guess, due to the same other issue, technically speaking. If she was willing to convert, in culture if not religion, she could very plausibly become a cultivator...that's just easier said than done. I suppose I'm using Christian somewhat incorrectly here as a shorthand for 'from a completely different culture', but that cultural difference remains the issue.
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With how the early story was portraying it, I was already afraid that Halla was gonna break Abjorn's pelvis, and he is a giant ultra Hamr cultivator!! If he was mortal, the poor man would be dead.
Yeah, they're related, but I think the issue is more the mortality side. I feel like you could sort of get different religions to work in a family. I mean I'm not from a super powered world, but both of my parents were from different religions and both were practicing despite being together.
But yeah being mortal seems like it'd be a huge danger.
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It's possible to be a bit more careful than Halla probably was. For one thing you could just not put Orthstirr into Hamr during the process. It's definitely something you need to take special care of, but not impossible.
Depends on the specific religions and their attitudes to other faiths. Christianity in this era isn't wildly tolerant, and while the Norse are likely a bit more so, it'd still be an issue, especially for a mortal. A Norsewoman who converted could stand up to any issues with strength and probably see off a lot of problems...a mortal would have more issues. The cultural differences are likely to be problematic in general, I think, and if both he and she wanted to deal with them, she would have come back with him the first time.
And yeah, being mortal in the Norse lands would be wildly dangerous.
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the reason christian lands are full of mortals (noncultivators) is explicitly because cultivation is a privilege restricted by class under the feudal contracts. nobles, priests, and knights are allowed to cultivate but the common folk are barred (by law) from cultivating. we know it's not a rule innate to christian cultivation because the frisians were granted an exception by the Carolingians (a temporal power) and it's why raiding frisia is so daunting when most christian settlements are like fish in barrels.
edit: also, any christian we help our friends court and bring back with them could just convert and learn norse cultivation. especially since most christians arent cultivating in the first place. we know norsemen (or at least sentient norse swords) can be baptised. no reason it shouldnt work both ways
edit: also, any christian we help our friends court and bring back with them could just convert and learn norse cultivation. especially since most christians arent cultivating in the first place. we know norsemen (or at least sentient norse swords) can be baptised. no reason it shouldnt work both ways
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Poor Abjorn resisted valiantly until we managed to get the Bloody Basics for our children, and then Halla had enough and rolled a Max Success on the babymaking.
Abjorn must've walked funny for a week after that.
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He was just minmaxing. He wanted to make sure his kids had that extra +1 bonus.
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This is not correct. Exactly why Carolingians have only some cultivators is a little unclear, but seems to involve limited resources and/or be a fundamental part of the cultivation system in question. It's not just a law, it's the way their cultivation system works.
Frisians and Carolingians have different cultures and thus different cultivation systems entirely.
Cultivation is based on culture. They would need to fundamentally become part of the culture in order to do this. Marriage might do it, though I'm not positive of that...adoption almost certainly would. Though even then only if they actually engaged with and became part of the culture.
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guess you could say he was... HARD PRESSED! ba dum ch!
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actually, the Carolingians are a noble dynasty founded by Charlemagne. the Carolingian rulers gave the frigians the right to cultivate as a reward for military service. this was covered by the book on frisian cultivation we found. the frisians are christian cultivators. they were granted the right to cultivate by a king. the christian world's restrictions on cultivation by class are artificial, temporal impositions.
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Though said book also said that Frisian cultivation being so spread out to all their population means they're weaker on their own compared to other Christian nations. It seems like spreading the faith around, as it is, weakens the heights they can get to?
that's what i was assuming. it might be related to how (as halla noted) christian lands feel "dead" in terms of the nature and spirits within. something about the christian method is net 0. i believe that since they draw power from faith (rather than the norse method of drawing in recognition and natural energy) there's only so much worship in a given area to power up the christian cultivators. so my theory is that the central authorties in the christian world (the vatican, basically) hand down mandates to prevent the energy getting diluted. i dont think we could do odr cultivation in a fully christian land, and i dont think priests could throw out their biggest spells in a fully norse one (not without a congregation behind them, anyway).
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What they were given the right to do was follow their own cultivation system, which spreads out potential rather than concentrating it. IF has, in fact, stated that it's a different system, and definitely stated several times that it's not only the law keeping people mortal under the Carolingian system. The culture shapes the reality...they don't need laws that say people can't cultivate, the whole culture just supports only nobles and priests doing so.
The Byzantine Empire, as a separate example, follows an entirely different cultivation system with entirely different laws, and yet still only has a few cultivators, because that's how cultivation systems work. They follow cultural principles...the more egalitarian the culture, the more people are cultivators. The more class based, the more it's restricted to only a few, and generally speaking the more powerful those few can become.
This has been discussed extensively. Carolingian Cultivation, the sort with Knights, Priests, and Nobles (there isn't really one set of Christian Cultivation) may have started out making laws that people couldn't cultivate (or just made it a cultural standard, hard to say really), but the fundamental thing going on is that in this world culture shapes reality...as soon as that became culturally accepted as true that peasants couldn't cultivate, reality altered to match and now peasants in those cultures that accept that system actually can't cultivate in the same way that a Knight or Priest does.
To be clear, the culture shapes reality thing and peasants basically not being able to cultivate has been pretty explicitly stated by the QM at various points in the thread.
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my mistake on the frisian/carolingian distinction, i thought the systems were the same.
my real point is that any potential (currently) mortal christians that our friends fall in love with remaining mortal and therefore vulnerable and endangered isnt a permanent problem. its a problem with their current paradigm, which they could change. a choice we could, as a seer, potentially help them with.
sidenote: whether or not the law in christian lands is the only thing restricting people from cultivation, or its an ingrained sociomagical restriction brought about by a longstanding law, doesnt change that it was imposed arbitrarily exactly as i said. if the aforementioned peasants convert and come to norway with us, they would no longer be bound by those restrictions, magical or legal
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The same applies to Norse cultivation. There's a finite amount of Orthstirr and it gets spread among however many people manage to earn it.
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So, the two are different in one very important way: In order to cultivate a mortal peasant would not be able to just 'start cultivating' under their current system absent authorities to stop them, they would need to actually become part of the Norse system and culture. A ritual of some sort is almost certainly involved, though marriage might do it, and adoption likely would. And while you could technically do this while remaining religiously Christian, you'd need to get awfully comfortable with what you are bound to see as pagan witchcraft, both other people doing such things to you, and having it yourself.
None of this is impossible, but in practice, I don't think its nearly as easy as you're making it out to be.
Yeah, this is just true of cultivation systems in general.
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Another reason Halla must die: to free up the Orthstirr for her child.
So sad.
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I mean it's out of the entire populace of Norse cultivators. Any one individual is a drop in the bucket...though they do get a portion of her Orthstirr when she dies, it's true.
I could have sworn that we could ask Eric to spar with us and with him using Warband secret if we keep it quiet and don't go around spreading those secrets. Like it's not too hard to persuade him to do so but we do have to keep quiet about what we get from the spar. That said I kind want to have an arm style that we can pass down since most of ours are Core styles.
I just checked the character sheet and i don't find the Sunfire Hugareida. Do we need to learn some Tricks for it before seeing it?
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This is not correct. We were told pretty explicitly that we couldn't do this. He's sworn not to reveal the style in question or other warband secrets and him fighting at not his full capacity is why he's only worth 1xp per turn from sparring rather than the 3xp we get from most other people.
It's there under Alloys, it's right at the top. It's a very short entry with no Tricks, though. I'll add a line break to make it easier to spot.
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Now i see it. It was so short i missed it.
I hope Blackhand returns soon, so he can teach us Sunfire Tricks and we can travel to the Heart of the Hading.