Normally I would be mad about the fact that there are five omake bonuses now, but I'm far too happy to see Sidious in all of his Sith Lord glory to care right now. Have a +10 for that, not to mention the fact that it will influence the CIS response I have planned for the news report.

The best part is (as far as I see it): Ciaran will have to act to counteract any perceived plot to save all she gained from the CNS, it will be hard as hell since its a SIDIOUS plot and any kind of success WILL draw Sidious attention.
 
Normally I would be mad about the fact that there are five omake bonuses now, but I'm far too happy to see Sidious in all of his Sith Lord glory to care right now. Have a +10 for that, not to mention the fact that it will influence the CIS response I have planned for the news report.

Hah! It became canon! Oh we can have so much fun trolling Dooku now...

Plus, I like the idea of Palpatine reacting to Ciaran's shenanigans by going "hm, how can I use this?" rather than with rage or fear when she derails some minor scheme of his.

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Hah! It became canon! Oh we can have so much fun trolling Dooku now...

Plus, I like the idea of Palpatine reacting to Ciaran's shenanigans by going "hm, how can I use this?" rather than with rage or fear when she derails some minor scheme of his.

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On the other hand the price we pay is that we can't keep Dooku and Asajj in the same area without Dooku noticing her. So we got to keep that in mind.
 
Ventress learned Buried Presence. The only risk is making sure Ventress doesn't spring out and try to assassinate him when we're not ready for it.
 
"Yes, the Mandalorians apprentice. This CNS is but a temporary cloak. Soon it will be cast aside and the galaxy will face their true nature - that of a Mandalorian Empire reborn! I have foreseen it."

you know, unless someone invisible to force foresight is whispering restraint and advice into fets ear or something, but what are the odds of that? :V

undeserved gloating aside, when this rather magnificently does not proceed as foreseen Palpatine is going to realize that someone he can't see has made themselves a major player. He's also going to start with those associated with the CNS. We just threw a bowling ball through his complex schemes, but he's going to have a decent idea of where it came from, and old palpy didn't get to where he is now without being damn good at adjusting his plans on the fly. Shit's about to get uncomfortably real.
 
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Hah! It became canon! Oh we can have so much fun trolling Dooku now...

Plus, I like the idea of Palpatine reacting to Ciaran's shenanigans by going "hm, how can I use this?" rather than with rage or fear when she derails some minor scheme of his.

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Won't deny this seems like his "natural" reaction, but such unusual behaviour from CIS does rises some flags, at least in Abyss Watchers (aka the true CNS power). I mean rumour mill:
CIS Gearing Up For New Advances: The CIS seems to have recovered from their defeat at Kamino and are beginning to regain momentum, though to a lesser extent than at the beginning of the war.
They are in a favourable position, so that their leader, Dooku, suddenly in Sids own words:
You will suck up to them like a groveling worm and do everything you can to feed their arrogance
this is NOT Dooku's nature.

Yes, this will cause more tensions, but I hope miss Satine Kryze will be sceptical and at least buy us some time.
It's imperative that we investigate this and at minimum soften the fall.
....


Actually, CNS counts as an "Neutral" system, right? We already have embassies and contact with the Republic. Now due to Sids plans: contact with CIS. A 'Safe Heaven' for those wishing to abstain from war ...
:wtf:I think miss Ciara infected my with case of [controlled grown greed]
 
you know, unless someone invisible to force foresight is whispering restraint and advice into fets ear or something, but what are the odds of that? :V

undeserved gloating aside, when this rather magnificently does not proceed as foreseen Palpatine is going to realize that someone he can't see has made themselves a major player. He's also going to start with those associated with the CNS, we just threw a bowling ball through his complex schemes, but he's going to have a decent idea of where it came from, and old palpy did'nt get to where he is now without being damn good at adjusting his plans on the fly, Shit's about to get uncomfortably real.

Palpatine was one of the few things the prequel series got right.

He's adaptable, patient, and doesn't go around openly killing people in the face like most other Sith Lords in the EU do.

Personally I think it will take years of Ciaran building up power and honing her skills before she can throw a bowling ball at his plans that he can't find some way of drawing advantage from.

Keep in mind that all through the Clone Wars (and probably before) the Jedi are throwing bowling balls at Sidious' schemes - in the end, he turns the victories of the Jedi to his own advantage and the Republic the Jedi fought and died for becomes an Empire.

While the Jedi pre-fall are a bunch of idiots whose understanding of the Force wouldn't fill a thimble, they are powerful, and they are dangerous. I very much doubt Ciaran is even causing a fraction of the damage to Sidious and his plans that they are.

Also, while Ciaran can try to resist the CNS being defamed as a Mandalorian Empire, Palpatine has the power to force the CNS to become an empire by attacking it (because when it's attacked, it will need to become more organized, just as Palpatine is using the CIS attacking the Republic to force it to become an empire).

this is NOT Dooku's nature.

That was intended to be Sidious delivering his orders to Dooku in a humiliating way, not a literal order. As I understand it, until Dooku strikes Palps down, in Palpatine's eyes, Dooku is a failure and only worthy to be his apprentice because all the rest of the galaxy is failing worse than Dooku.

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Palpatine was one of the few things the prequel series got right.

He's adaptable, patient, and doesn't go around openly killing people in the face like most other Sith Lords in the EU do.

Personally I think it will take years of Ciaran building up power and honing her skills before she can throw a bowling ball at his plans that he can't find some way of drawing advantage from.

Keep in mind that all through the Clone Wars (and probably before) the Jedi are throwing bowling balls at Sidious' schemes - in the end, he turns the victories of the Jedi to his own advantage and the Republic the Jedi fought and died for becomes an Empire.

While the Jedi pre-fall are a bunch of idiots whose understanding of the Force wouldn't fill a thimble, they are powerful, and they are dangerous. I very much doubt Ciaran is even causing a fraction of the damage to Sidious and his plans that they are.


I'd argue that this might catch him a bit more flat-footed than the Jedi do. He has a decentish idea of where they are and what they are in general up to. This is a third power that he thinks his foresight can predict quite well. When it goes abruptly and severely off script it's going be one hell of a shock, and likely going to have him scrambling to adjust a stance that was based on a now unreliable vision of the future. Now he's going to likely be able to land on his feet and readjust very quickly and very well since he's good at scheming the same way thrawn is good at tactics, but my money is on this being a significant but not insurmountable setback for him.


Also, while Ciaran can try to resist the CNS being defamed as a Mandalorian Empire, Palpatine has the power to force the CNS to become an empire by attacking it (because when it's attacked, it will need to become more organized, just as Palpatine is using the CIS attacking the Republic to force it to become an empire).

yeah, I was about to argue that if wasn't very careful about how he did that he would risk driving the CNS into one side or the other and creating a power imbalance, then I remembered who we are talking about and realized he could likely position himself to take advantage of exactly that without much effort. Given that no matter how this shakes out he's going to get a fairly major clue that someone high up in the CNS is invisible to his foresight we are likely about to come under direct scrutiny from him. We're getting into a cage match with a rancor, I'm just really hoping the opening hit we get in is enough to give us a chance.
 
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If he really wants us to create a new Mandalore Empire, will he be one for pretty borders? Cause right now the CNS is doing a pretty good job imitating the border gore of the Holy Roman Empire.
 
That was intended to be Sidious delivering his orders to Dooku in a humiliating way, not a literal order. As I understand it, until Dooku strikes Palps down, in Palpatine's eyes, Dooku is a failure and only worthy to be his apprentice because all the rest of the galaxy is failing worse than Dooku.
True, but Dooku, though manipulative and charismatic is NOT a person to do something Palps said, right now.

Right Now (ignoring the Force), CIS has nigh-all advantages, better mobility, bigger armies, etc. and Dooku, suddenly saying: "Some of us are tired of this war, please, unite with us to win this war..."

Even then Satine is NOT DUMB. Since the 1st hour she didn't trust Ciaran. She (ignoring her pride/arrogance about reformed Mandalorians) always analysed her situation, advantages, possible conspiracies, and did what she could to "limit" Ciara's influence.

Note: we're on the same side, and the only reason she accepted us, is because we helped CNS and were here since the beginning. For a non-Force user she's great, and with little info from Abyss Watchers might even the playing field with Dooku


I'd argue that this might catch him a bit more flat-footed than the Jedi do. He has a decentish idea of where they are and what they are in general up to. This is a third power that he thinks his foresight can predict quite well. When it goes abruptly and severely off script it's going be one hell of a shock, and likely going to have him scrambling to adjust a stance that was based on a now unreliable vision of the future. Now he's going to likely be able to land on his feet and readjust very quickly and very well since he's good at scheming the same way thrawn is good at tactics, but my money is on this being a significant but not insurmountable setback for him.


yeah, I would argue if wasn't very careful about how he did that he would risk driving the CNS into one side or the other and creating a power imbalance, then I remembered who we are talking about and realized he could likely position himself to take advantage of exactly that without much effort. Given that no matter how this shakes out he's going to get a fairly major clue that someone high up in the CNS is invisible to his foresight we are likely about to come under direct scrutiny from him. We're getting into a cage match with a rancor, I'm just really hoping the opening hit we get in is enough to give us a chance.
Oh, at the beginning we did caught him 'off guard'. Yes, it was minor but for some small time (I think few days up to a month tops) he was
Attitudes:
Palpatine: Palpatine is utterly confused.
Now he's more adjusted, but Ciara is still not 100% studied unknown
 
Now he's going to likely be able to land on his feet and readjust very quickly and very well since he's good at scheming the same way thrawn is good at tactics, but my money is on this being a significant but not insurmountable setback for him.

Oh, agreed. As I am imagining it, the combined snowball of Ciaran-success now means Palps will have to draw out the Clone Wars maybe a year or two as he manipulates the CNS into something he can use (or tries to).

Right Now (ignoring the Force), CIS has nigh-all advantages, better mobility, bigger armies, etc. and Dooku, suddenly saying: "Some of us are tired of this war, please, unite with us to win this war..."

OK. You are imagining something verrrry different from me.

I'm imagining Dooku (under orders) sending a CIS delegation (probably not one led by himself) to the CNS to say "we are fighting against the oppression of the Republic, since you aren't the Republic, we're cool with you guys and would like to stay cool with you - hey, how about we formally recognize your neutrality and we draw up some trade deals". Then, when we start encouraging CIS systems to join the CNS, Dooku says "oh, we are fighting for freedom, we of course recognize the right of systems to freely choose their affiliation". And of course, Palpatine, because he is controlling both sides, can let the CIS conquer whatever systems he sees fit to maintain the CIS as a threat until that's not useful to him.

So the CIS grows at the expense of the Republic, the CNS grows at the expense of both the Republic and the CIS and the Republic grows more and more desperate as both its "enemies" gain ground against it, allowing Palpatine to harness more and more of the wealth and power of the Republic to use as he wills. Remember, the CIS is bigger in the military sense now because the Republic is barely mobilized yet.

And then, depending on how the CNS is doing, he can deal with it in a range of ways, from internal subversion (so he controls all three sides of the war), to letting either the CIS or Republic win and then the winner fights the CNS or having the CIS and Republic ally and fight the "common Mandalorian threat".

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I'm imagining Dooku (under orders) sending a CIS delegation (probably not one led by himself) to the CNS to say "we are fighting against the oppression of the Republic, since you aren't the Republic, we're cool with you guys and would like to stay cool with you - hey, how about we formally recognize your neutrality and we draw up some trade deals".
This strikes me as interesting on a number of levels, actually.

@Dr. Snark, will we/the CNS need to reach out to every potentially neutral system in order to persuade them to join? Or will other systems be able to take the initiative and approach us on their own accord?

Currently, Neutral Space is basically surrounded by systems and sectors that 'just want to be left alone' -- over the past few days, just in perusing the Star Wars galaxy map, I've identified systems from an additional eight sectors/regions whose universal goal in the Clone Wars was simply to stay out of it. These systems and sectors are 'officially' affiliated with one or the other side but who have contributed nothing to the war effort and who have no reason to participate in the fighting. This list includes refugee worlds, defenseless agricultural worlds, trade worlds who rely on safe hyperlanes, corporate worlds who rely on a stable client base, planets dominated by xenophobic native species, and planets with isolationist or idiosyncratic Force sects.

All of these groups should be very interested in 'Door #3' that promises to let them stay out of the fighting. And unless they're so exaggeratedly isolationist that they just haven't heard of us, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to imagine that some of them would consider reaching out to us.

To be fair, the appearance of a new Mandalore might throw a spanner in the works, though its effect might be balanced. On the one hand, some planets have long memories, and might be unwilling to join the same cause as the feared 'Mandalore resurgent'. On the other hand, I expect there will be at least as many Mandalore-fanboy systems who might go out of their way to join such a cause, not to mention the plethora of expatriate Mandalore colonies and Mandalore-influenced systems who might take a second look.)

Basically, I'm proposing that there should be a mechanism for 'auto-recruiting' -- that there be a regular dice-roll (with different DC levels for different systems) to see if anyone petitions to join the CNS. Perhaps this could be included in the pre-turn 'Rumor Mill', to give us a chance to vote on our response -- whether to allow them to join, whether to attach conditions, whether it requires active military presence/patrols, etc.
 
And then, depending on how the CNS is doing, he can deal with it in a range of ways, from internal subversion (so he controls all three sides of the war)
This strikes me as simultaneously the most likely option for Palpatine to try, and the least likely to succeed. We are pretty good at that whole 'Intrigue' thing, you know, and the CNS is our home turf. Especially if/when we bring Jango onboard as a Hero ally, I expect Palpatine & Dooku will have a much harder time manipulating him. Sure, they might try to stir up domestic trouble, but after we absolutely eradicated both Death Watch and Black Sun, I'm not sure there will be too many folks in the underworld willing to risk it.

Not to mention, we kinda have a history of taking enemies and turning them into solid allies. Asajj and Jango are only the latest.

to letting either the CIS or Republic win and then the winner fights the CNS
This seems like Palpatine's most-likely fallback option, and perhaps the least likely to succeed. The longer the war rages, the better positioned we become, and the more likely we've undermined critical parts of his grand plan for the galaxy. Besides the prospect of Outbound Flight returning and throwing everything into chaos with news of extra-galactic invaders, we have so many plates in the air to undercut his efforts. We got Seti Ashgad, we got the soon-to-be-decrypted Inhibitor Chips, we got Mother Talzin, we got Asajj, we should be able to save quite a few non-Jedi Force sects from his purges, and we're even on course to nab The Chosen One out from under his nose...

So yeah. By no means do we have everything sewn up, but the longer Palpatine takes, the better our position looks.

or having the CIS and Republic ally and fight the "common Mandalorian threat".
Depending on how the Jedi & Republic respond, this is probably my biggest worry. One possible solution: recruit more (non-Mandalorian) systems to the Neutral banner. Last turn we were worried about whether Corellia would imbalance the CNS by joining -- they're a 3-billion population behemoth, compared to Mandalore's 4-million pop total. This turn... that sort of imbalance might be just what the doctor ordered. Corellia is a Core planet with an outstanding reputation -- even the Jedi were willing to let them maintain their own 'Jedi' Order, even turning a blind eye to the whole 'married Jedi' thing, without crying 'Sith!' and let slip the dogs of war. They're fairly stable, very wealthy, and decidedly inclined to be neutral. Sounds like our kind of planet.

That's not to mention Satine's own efforts. I expect that she'll become the face and voice of the anti-war faction in the galaxy, and her message will particularly appeal to the anti-war systems still in the Republic. If (when) those Senators and systems find themselves dissatisfied with Palpatine's overreach, Satine will be ready and waiting with a fresh invitation to join the CNS. We might peruse the 'Loyalist Committee' and 'Petition of 2000' pages on Wookiepedia for lists of potential allies.

The same is true for our efforts with the CIS. The Separatists started out with a pretty decent cause -- I mean, Episode I tells us as clearly as I can that the Republic's authority doesn't really cover much of the Outer Rim, and that the Galactic Senate is corrupt and incompetent. The original idea of the CIS was: if the Republic won't take care of us, let's form a government that will. The problem, of course, was that the Separatist idea was co-opted by 1) galactic mega-corporations who liked the Senate's corruption and wanted to generate more of it, and 2) a Sith Lord who needed the Republic to militarize, and manipulated the CIS to wage bloody war.

That means there are plenty of 'Separatists' who are dissatisfied with the current CIS, and would see the CNS as a more palatable/less militaristic option. Remember as well that Ciaran was the one who funded the original 'Outer Rim Defense Coalition' that Dooku took over and turned into the CIS. That investment alone will have made us plenty of allies among the sectors of the Outer Rim.


Another possible way to quell fears of a resurgent Mandalorian Empire: move the CNS capital away from Mandalore. Sure, keep Satine as the secretary of state/chief ambassador, and keep Jango as 'Mandalore', but as more planets join up, move the center of power somewhere else.

@Whumbly's "Possible Future" omake mentioned Taris, and I gotta admit that I love the idea. Taris is a nearby ecumenopolis that (four thousand years ago) boasted a population of 900 billion (yep, with a 'b'). It was destroyed by a Sith battle fleet trying to 'smoke out' Bastilia & Revan doing their 'Knights of the Old Republic thing. Despite resettlement efforts, Taris never really recovered, and is to this day considered a "faded" city-world.

I can't help but think it'd be so perfectly Ciaran to decide that after four millennia of stagnation, now's the perfect time to fix it!

Better yet: she might actually be right. Sure, there's a war going on, but most of the galactic economy is 'business as usual', and everyone's getting a lot of practice at the whole 'repairing damage after a battle/orbital bombardment' thing. Plus, after four millennia, the Taris ecosystem will have long since recovered, including those legendary kelp farms that managed to feed 900 billion people back in the planet's heyday. It's in the middle of Neutral Space, and straddles the biggest super-hyperlane in the galaxy, the Hydian Way, so it's perfectly situated to become a major economic center and trading post.

Frankly, the biggest problem in Taris right now is underpopulation -- the lack of warm bodies to work on setting things right. Lucky for us, we happen to run the galaxy's biggest humanitarian organization, and have access to millions if not billions of refugees. We play our cards right, we could probably jumpstart the planet's reconstruction with minimal effort. Divert some credits here, a few million refugees there... pretty soon: "you got yourself a stew going, baby!"
 
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Remember as well that Ciaran was the one who funded the original 'Outer Rim Defense Coalition' that Dooku took over and turned into the CIS. That investment alone will have made us plenty of allies among the sectors of the Outer Rim.

O.O

I had forgotten.

Oh man... Poor Dooku. We're gonna Naboo his whole galactic empire...

(NB: "to Naboo" verb, "when Ciaran steals everything not nailed down and then makes everyone love her when she comes around the next day to help set everything right and at the same time steal everything that is nailed down.")

Better yet: she might actually be right. Sure, there's a war going on, but most of the galactic economy is 'business as usual', and everyone's getting a lot of practice at the whole 'repairing damage after a battle/orbital bombardment' thing. Plus, after four millennia, the Taris ecosystem will have long since recovered, including those legendary kelp farms that managed to feed 900 billion people back in the planet's heyday. It's in the middle of Neutral Space, and straddles the biggest super-hyperlane in the galaxy, the Hydian Way, so it's perfectly situated to become a major economic center and trading post.

Frankly, the biggest problem in Taris right now is underpopulation -- the lack of warm bodies to work on setting things right. Lucky for us, we happen to run the galaxy's biggest humanitarian organization, and have access to millions if not billions of refugees. We play our cards right, we could probably jumpstart the planet's reconstruction with minimal effort. Divert some credits here, a few million refugees there... pretty soon: "you got yourself a stew going, baby!"

Excellent points and I would point out that we have an entire Coruscant undercity we're in the process of taking over too. I am sure a few billion Coruscantis would fancy moving to a less crowded city world with economic prospects...

Not to mention, we kinda have a history of taking enemies and turning them into solid allies. Asajj and Jango are only the latest.

I still want to do this to Dooku. At some point the guy has to realize that Palpatine is just using him until something better comes along. And then we can take him to our Dark Side asteroid monastery and teach him a whole new way of appreciating the Dark Side...

This seems like Palpatine's most-likely fallback option, and perhaps the least likely to succeed. The longer the war rages, the better positioned we become, and the more likely we've undermined critical parts of his grand plan for the galaxy. Besides the prospect of Outbound Flight returning and throwing everything into chaos with news of extra-galactic invaders, we have so many plates in the air to undercut his efforts. We got Seti Ashgad, we got the soon-to-be-decrypted Inhibitor Chips, we got Mother Talzin, we got Asajj, we should be able to save quite a few non-Jedi Force sects from his purges, and we're even on course to nab The Chosen One out from under his nose...

So yeah. By no means do we have everything sewn up, but the longer Palpatine takes, the better our position looks.

I think CIS/Republic fight until one wins and then turns on the CNS is the most likely path as well. However... While Ciaran has a stronger chance than most of foiling Palpy's manipulations, remember that this is a guy who posed an existential threat to galactic civilization when pushed back to his survival bunker in the deep core. I can think of several ways Palps could counter the things you mention.

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O.O

I had forgotten.

Oh man... Poor Dooku. We're gonna Naboo his whole galactic empire...

(NB: "to Naboo" verb, "when Ciaran steals everything not nailed down and then makes everyone love her when she comes around the next day to help set everything right and at the same time steal everything that is nailed down.")

Nabooing a couple of planets is small fry, I want to Naboo one of the Separatist Council's Corporations.

I still want to do this to Dooku. At some point the guy has to realize that Palpatine is just using him until something better comes along. And then we can take him to our Dark Side asteroid monastery and teach him a whole new way of appreciating the Dark Side...

Unfortunately we have an obligation to Ventress to help her seek revenge against Dooku. Besides in the 'Son of Dathomir' comic it's shown that while he considers Palpatine turning on him to be a possibility, he sees it as an unlikely one, due to not being an actual Sith and not understanding the Sith mentality.
 
Not to mention, we kinda have a history of taking enemies and turning them into solid allies. Asajj and Jango are only the latest.

So, what you're saying is, we're the Naruto of the setting.


That's a discredit to Thrawn. Zhuge Liang failed like 8 campaigns or whatever to attack one area, and didn't listen to some of his advisors who actually had a better plan than him(Wei Yan had a plan for him and an elite squad to take Chang An and then Zhuge Liang would reinforce him.. Zhuge Liang's plan was to try and take the outer cities first and then attack Chang An.. they didn't even succeed in the outer cities, and then he died and Wei Yan got shafted and killed).

Basically, I'm proposing that there should be a mechanism for 'auto-recruiting' -- that there be a regular dice-roll (with different DC levels for different systems) to see if anyone petitions to join the CNS.

There really should be systems/planets petitioning to join us considering how many systems wanted no part with the war.. and I always thought the only reason they didn't try and join canonically was because the CNS didn't have a military and wouldn't be able to back them up if the Republic or CIS turned round and went "yo, you can't leave us"
 
Regardless, it seems that shit is going to get really interesting the next couple of turns, huh? We can only hope and pray that things will go well; May The Dice Be With Us.
 
Was it just me who imagined 'Uncle Borvo' laughing like a Ojou-sama when the GM wrote OHOHOHOHOHO as his laugh?

A Hutt....laughing like a Ojou-sama....

Cannot unsee.
 
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