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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)

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The Rakatans had at least a few other stations that are still MIA, to my knowledge. Could be wrong though.
 
What about using the Foundry in an economic rather than military capacity. I'm sure we could make a lot of money with an endless supply of astromech, protocol, mining, manufacturing, and construction droids.

Lots of money and power but much less likely to destroy the galaxy.
 
Master Basher said:
In advance. Over that force vision of Nihilus. I think of it as a warning.
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Well yeah. Ciaran aspires to be Darth Traya (Hopefully without the bitterness though) but she knows deep inside where she would never admit it to anyone that in truth it's Nihilus that's closest to her true nature. If she were to use the Foundry then there would be nothing to stop her from eventually consuming the entire galaxy and she's self aware enough to admit that to herself.
 
Goldenlima said:
What about using the Foundry in an economic rather than military capacity. I'm sure we could make a lot of money with an endless supply of astromech, protocol, mining, manufacturing, and construction droids.

Lots of money and power but much less likely to destroy the galaxy.
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I could get behind this. One of the biggest economic powerhouses in the galaxy is Mechis III, which is a foundry world dedicated to civilian droid manufacture. We could potentially out-compete them if we chose to dedicate the Foundry to that, especially if we had our Learning heroes design or redesign the basic chassis for some of those droid types. (Image how effective a mechu-daru enhanced astromech could be...!) This would give us a lot of credits, give the CNS a massive boost to self-sufficiency, and give the galaxy a smoother recovery from the ravages of war.


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Question is, are any of those duplicates of things we've already seen, or are all the Rakatan super-stations unique?
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Unique. There's are at least four big ones: the Star Forge (dedicated to building ships), the Foundry (dedicated to building droids), a 'xenoforming' station and a 'terraforming' station (not sure how they're distinct, and neither are named in the sources, but both are capable of profoundly changing the climate and characteristics of any world they target).
 
Publicola said:
I could get behind this. One of the biggest economic powerhouses in the galaxy is Mechis III, which is a foundry world dedicated to civilian droid manufacture. We could potentially out-compete them if we chose to dedicate the Foundry to that, especially if we had our Learning heroes design or redesign the basic chassis for some of those droid types. (Image how effective a mechu-daru enhanced astromech could be...!) This would give us a lot of credits, give the CNS a massive boost to self-sufficiency, and give the galaxy a smoother recovery from the ravages of war.
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A question. namely one that people would start asking if you did this:

"Where are all of these droids coming from?"
 
I'm worried about the people who will find the Foundry after us. Can we leave them a nice present?

I'm thinking something like: modify the Foundry to get tired of war. The more conflict there is in the galaxy, the more pacifistic its droids become. Try to win a war with the Foundry and eventually all it produces anymore are maintenance and medical bots.
 
OK, I admit to being pretty annoyed at what just happened. I can understand why it was done, there are some very real reasons why what was said are valid points. Both mechanically and story wise it makes sense. But I feel ticked by the fact that what was billed as a super weapon that we spent a considerable amount a time and effort into and was supposed to be a major asset against Paplatine was just given a "no" from the GM. Or at least a warning that there will be major penalties if we use it, that was never hinted at before. The switch for the supposed reward was what irked me more than anything else.

I think two of these stations against each other would start to resemble a very slow game of SuCom.
 
Publicola said:
I could get behind this. One of the biggest economic powerhouses in the galaxy is Mechis III, which is a foundry world dedicated to civilian droid manufacture. We could potentially out-compete them if we chose to dedicate the Foundry to that, especially if we had our Learning heroes design or redesign the basic chassis for some of those droid types. (Image how effective a mechu-daru enhanced astromech could be...!) This would give us a lot of credits, give the CNS a massive boost to self-sufficiency, and give the galaxy a smoother recovery from the ravages of war.
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I am hesitant about this. I don't doubt it would work, but it would draw way too much heat. Production in large scale is something people watch out for, as it the supply chain necessary for such a thing. Normally facilities that can do civilian production don't equal military...but without any eyes on said facilities to confirm, there are going to be a LOT of spooked intel-types.

Personally, I'm of the mind to develop improved droids (HKs are good for un-directed genocide, not much else, while Trade Federation are designed with Fleet Support in mind or a budget we don't care about), build a back up army to defend the Kiln, a couple more armies if we really need the option of invasion but don't need to target the whole galaxy, and then start mining and stock-piling resources for our own use and if we ever need to use the final resort. Super-Weapon it may be, The Foundry does not have an instant or infinite production capacity. Resources in particular are a road-block. They need to have drones built, sent, collecting, coming back, and deposited into stores. Making sure there's a large reserve of resources and a bunch of drones out collecting could greatly increase initial production rates, and reduce start-up vulnerability.

We can also look into exotic uses. Cheriss already has the Gundam idea, we can use it to build our own equipment, probably drone fighters/bombers/transports of sufficiently small size, and supply our troops with weaponry. I am also fairly sure the Foundry has the same Matter-Transmutation technology the Star Forge did, if only because it has a similar purpose and certain rare elements for advanced droids probably can't be found in most asteroid fields.

What does that mean? Can anyone say 'unlimited Beskar, Stygium, Kyber, and more galore'? If its a meta-material, it should be able to make it, though possibly with an increased processing time, and definitely limited by what designs we can make and the material in question (crystals won't act like metals, and vice-versa). Probably also can't just 'grow' things together like crystal circuitry in an armor block, but just separate components that can be assembled by other systems.

Edit: Of course, producing meta-materials means being able to scan them on a fundamental level...which might not be something the Foundry can do on it's own. I don't doubt the Rakatans had the capacity for that sort of thing, but whether or not they included it with the four (unused) super-weapons is another question.
 
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I think we should try to use it for economic or research purposes. Might as well get something out of it if we can't have the "I win" button.
 
Can we use the foundry for civilian production like medical droids or make a crapton of disposable hyperspace capable probedroids to map hyperspace routes?

Charting safe hyper lanes is one of the most dangerous jobs in Star Wars.
 
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I'm against using it for economics. All it's gonna do is make people think 'where are these droids coming from?'. They will try to investigate and someone will manage - by pure luck if nothing else. It's a good private research field for more ambitious projects, but other than that it's better left alone.
 
can someone tell me how the force repelling lizards work EXACTLY? i mean does Force techniques just dissolve when they reach the bubble? go around them? do they just disable a Force connection that is within their range? i have never been sure of how those bloody things work

cause over all HOW EXACTLY they work does affect how useful they will be in dealing with the wrinkly asshole, they WILL be effective no matter what but by how much is what i am wondering
 
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Malestrum said:
can someone tell me how the force repelling lizards work EXACTLY? i mean does Force techniques just dissolve when they reach the bubble? go around them? do they just disable a Force connection that is within their range? i have never been sure of how those bloody things work
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Ysalamari project a bubble around themselves that holds the force still, preventing anyone from manipulating it. If a force user is inside the bubble they are still connected to the force but they can't manipulate it at all. And if they're outside the bubble trying to manipulate something inside it then their abilities fail at the edge of the bubble.

If you think of the force as using ripples in water then they're freezing the water around themselves.
 
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Nalanaya said:
I am hesitant about this. I don't doubt it would work, but it would draw way too much heat. Production in large scale is something people watch out for, as it the supply chain necessary for such a thing. Normally facilities that can do civilian production don't equal military...but without any eyes on said facilities to confirm, there are going to be a LOT of spooked intel-types.

Personally, I'm of the mind to develop improved droids (HKs are good for un-directed genocide, not much else, while Trade Federation are designed with Fleet Support in mind or a budget we don't care about), build a back up army to defend the Kiln, a couple more armies if we really need the option of invasion but don't need to target the whole galaxy, and then start mining and stock-piling resources for our own use and if we ever need to use the final resort. Super-Weapon it may be, The Foundry does not have an instant or infinite production capacity. Resources in particular are a road-block. They need to have drones built, sent, collecting, coming back, and deposited into stores. Making sure there's a large reserve of resources and a bunch of drones out collecting could greatly increase initial production rates, and reduce start-up vulnerability.

We can also look into exotic uses. Cheriss already has the Gundam idea, we can use it to build our own equipment, probably drone fighters/bombers/transports of sufficiently small size, and supply our troops with weaponry. I am also fairly sure the Foundry has the same Matter-Transmutation technology the Star Forge did, if only because it has a similar purpose and certain rare elements for advanced droids probably can't be found in most asteroid fields.

What does that mean? Can anyone say 'unlimited Beskar, Stygium, Kyber, and more galore'? If its a meta-material, it should be able to make it, though possibly with an increased processing time, and definitely limited by what designs we can make and the material in question (crystals won't act like metals, and vice-versa). Probably also can't just 'grow' things together like crystal circuitry in an armor block, but just separate components that can be assembled by other systems.

Edit: Of course, producing meta-materials means being able to scan them on a fundamental level...which might not be something the Foundry can do on it's own. I don't doubt the Rakatans had the capacity for that sort of thing, but whether or not they included it with the four (unused) super-weapons is another question.
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I suppose I should point out that having Cheriss use the Foundry to instantly prototype new droid ideas is perfectly fine - and a Hero Action I was planning on adding in next turn. In-universe there's going to be a (small-ish) production area in the station specifically set aside for her to do her thing.
 
Stroth said:
Ysalamari project a bubble around themselves that holds the force still, preventing anyone from manipulating it. If a force user is inside the bubble they are still connected to the force but they can't manipulate it at all. And if they're outside the bubble trying to manipulate something inside it then their abilities fail at the edge of the bubble.
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so a Force user outside of it could throw lightning into it? or a boulder or something
 
Nalanaya said:
I am also fairly sure the Foundry has the same Matter-Transmutation technology the Star Forge did, if only because it has a similar purpose and certain rare elements for advanced droids probably can't be found in most asteroid fields.

What does that mean? Can anyone say 'unlimited Beskar, Stygium, Kyber, and more galore'? If its a meta-material, it should be able to make it, though possibly with an increased processing time, and definitely limited by what designs we can make and the material in question (crystals won't act like metals, and vice-versa). Probably also can't just 'grow' things together like crystal circuitry in an armor block, but just separate components that can be assembled by other systems.
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@Dr. Snark, does this work? We just researched phrik last turn, and the biggest obstacle to using it was how rare it is. Could we get the Foundry set up to churn out a bigger supply of phrik that we can use for other projects? Same with some of our other 'anomalous materials' that we'll be studying...
 
Dr. Snark said:
If nothing else, we have a weapon of last resort to use against Palpatine.
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Thrawn has the Foundry and he seems to mostly be thinking about it as a way to make massive droid armies to kill Palps as a last resort?

I'm really disappointed in him.

The real power to the Foundry is what it can do to our industry and logistics. Think about how many robot factories we can build to turn out devastator tanks or X-wing starfighters... Or clone armour for the CNS militia.

And Thrawn is talking like "we have a high precision lathe, it'll be really good if we hit Palpatine in the face with it".

D'oy!

Nalanaya said:
I am hesitant about this. I don't doubt it would work, but it would draw way too much heat. Production in large scale is something people watch out for, as it the supply chain necessary for such a thing. Normally facilities that can do civilian production don't equal military...but without any eyes on said facilities to confirm, there are going to be a LOT of spooked intel-types.
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Hm, actually I think this is one of the biggest advantages of the Foundary.

Star Wars has droid factories. It has industrial droids. But most of those require alot more skilled manpower to run. So our factories on Cato Nemoidia have been under-utilized since we can't do much with them without being noticed.

But the Foundry? It is a self-contained industrial unit, it needs virtually no overseeing and Star Wars has alot of unremarkable systems no-one cares about with plenty of asteroids. We could tow it out to an empty star system with a tanker full of concrete and build an entire industrial base with virtually no traffic with the rest of the galaxy.

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Yeah, Don use the foundry to build droids, use the foundry to build the infrastructure to build droids. That way we can openly compete in droids manufacturing with much less suspicion cast upon us.

Also, I like the hyperspace probe Droid idea. After all, we can always use more secret hyperlanes.

Finally I am in favor of setting up the infrastructure for using the foundry so we can use more quickly if it becomes necessary. Stockpiling Droid armies to use in case of all out war, along with the infrastructure to support them, is just good sense, as is requiring a majority vote of the council to actually activate them.

Let's make sure our weapon of last resort is as strong as possible if we ever need to use it.
 
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