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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)

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Killerflood said:
If this was a TV show, half to 2/3's of Star Wars fans would be broken in between wanting to tear the writers a new one because "how dare they insert this Mary Sue" who is taking main character status away from the actual main characters and seething over the creation of a new canon which destroys the old one. The rest would just be enjoying the ride.
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I would hope at this point in a bizarre alternate universe where I'm apparently a screenwriter there would be at least something covering the events of this quest. Because at this point anyone with a decent grasp of plot progression would go "okay, this is officially bullshit, who the fuck is this woman that is breaking canon, you can't just drop her in like this without any foreshadowing or explanation."
 
Dr. Snark said:
I would hope at this point in a bizarre alternate universe where I'm apparently a screenwriter there would be at least something covering the events of this quest. Because at this point anyone with a decent grasp of plot progression would go "okay, this is officially bullshit, who the fuck is this woman that is breaking canon, you can't just drop her in like this without any foreshadowing or explanation."
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i can see them spending half a season foreshadowing the abyss watchers and then the other half having a flash back going over how the abyss watchers came to be what they are today.
 
Dr. Snark said:
I would hope at this point in a bizarre alternate universe where I'm apparently a screenwriter there would be at least something covering the events of this quest. Because at this point anyone with a decent grasp of plot progression would go "okay, this is officially bullshit, who the fuck is this woman that is breaking canon, you can't just drop her in like this without any foreshadowing or explanation."
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In my mind this quest would replace the original trilogy in the alternate universe.
 
I have to imagine that as the negaverse tv series goes on, more and more of the Abyss Watchers and how they function get revealed.

For example, in the first season only that there's this mysterious mercenary force running around doing shit, maybe with an end of episode teaser close up on the Watcher symbol patch on of them is wearing. Then a few end of episode teaser interludes, like after Anakin or Obi-wan make some pithy one-liner it cuts to about ten minutes of our characters doing something, revealing that they exist and work together. Like Grievous watching a masked human female kill some fuck off monster then congratulating her on passing the test. Or Jango teaching Boba and a bunch of Mandalorians how to fight, followed by stopping to report to his new recruiter and employer.

After a bunch of snippets that show this unnamed organization pulling all these factions and resources together, the viewer would get a whole episode showing them doing something, probably hitting Wesker's facilities to show that this shadow organization doesn't want to destroy everything. Or one that introduces the Oracle and the Home, introducing the fact that they have their own Force users and methodology separate from Jedi/Sith. Or a whole episode following Thrawn pulling one over the CIS and stealing their flagship, followed by teaching Ahsoka some tactics.

All this leading up to the second Prequel movie where it's end credits teaser reveals that Ciaran is in charge.
 
So, I was thinking.

Have we considered strapping like five of those lizards to a suicide-bomber droid and blowing up Palpatine?

Not now of course, once we've got enough things in place to handle the issues his death would cause, but still.
 
Ridiculously Average Guy said:
So, I was thinking.

Have we considered strapping like five of those lizards to a suicide-bomber droid and blowing up Palpatine?

Not now of course, once we've got enough things in place to handle the issues his death would cause, but still.
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Trips Palpatine's "WTF" Force Sense. Climactic Confrontation Is The Only Option, as per canon.
 
Barondoctor said:
Trips Palpatine's "WTF" Force Sense. Climactic Confrontation Is The Only Option, as per canon.
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I blame The Force requiring a dramatic showdown for the fate of the galaxy.

dredloki said:
qm said that it IS going to be a awesome fight to end all fights and thats final.
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It's reasoned with that since Ciaran knows about Force Ghosts and that Sidious might continue his plans from beyond death (as our current Sith headmaster demonstrates) or that he might find a way back like during the Dark Empire comics. The only way to be absolutely sure that he stays dead is to kill him with the Dagger of Mortis, that is able to permanently kill anything it stabs. Forged by The Ones to kill Abeloth or The Mother (a being so powerful The Son, the embodiment of the Dark Side, fled when Ciaran spoke her name) should she ever escape, so the Dagger should be able to end the line of Baneite Sith.

Problem is Sidious knows we're coming thanks to his future sight abilities (to explain he's not just sitting back) and is going to try and pull a ROTJ plan to gather all his enemies in one place to crush them.

Trouble for him is three fold:

First is that his arrogance makes him underestimate the power of his enemies teaming up.

Second is that his future sight isn't as accurate as he thinks and he can't see everything (he doesn't know how powerful Ciaran is, that Anakin won't turn to the Dark Side or about the Foundry) due to Ciaran's Shatterpoint screwing with his power to make what he sees inaccurate.

Third, the Dark Side cult he consults (the Prophets of the Dark Side) who are a group of Force Seers are lead by a man who believes in bringing balance to the Force and thus isn't going to inform him that something is wrong (in Galactic Warlords on SB they where used as the one who set the plot in motion by giving him the advice to 'dodge left', which leds to Yoda and Obi-Wan killing him in an ambush before he can proclaim the formation of the Empire... which along with a few other divergences plunges the Galaxy into chaos and turns the Clone Wars into an space version of post-WWI China).
 
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I wonder if it can be done. Christopher Waltz as Palpatine? Anyone?

(Waltz was Hans Landa in Inglorious Basterds)
 
Killerflood said:
The correct tense you are looking for is "would be". It's future tense so it needs to be based on that but it's only a possibility not a certainty. So therefore you use would instead of will.
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Oh wow, @Evaunit02mark1 , I totally screwed this up. "Would" is wrong here because it's more tied to past tense than future. The best way to say it is to use either "might be a dad" or "could be a dad".
 
Killerflood said:
Oh wow, @Evaunit02mark1 , I totally screwed this up. "Would" is wrong here because it's more tied to past tense than future. The best way to say it is to use either "might be a dad" or "could be a dad".
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I've always been fond of "may become" myself, in my many time travels. Okay, in the many time travels I've written. In the one time I've traveled.
 
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NexysDhyArchen said:
I have to imagine that as the negaverse tv series goes on, more and more of the Abyss Watchers and how they function get revealed.

For example, in the first season only that there's this mysterious mercenary force running around doing shit, maybe with an end of episode teaser close up on the Watcher symbol patch on of them is wearing. Then a few end of episode teaser interludes, like after Anakin or Obi-wan make some pithy one-liner it cuts to about ten minutes of our characters doing something, revealing that they exist and work together. Like Grievous watching a masked human female kill some fuck off monster then congratulating her on passing the test. Or Jango teaching Boba and a bunch of Mandalorians how to fight, followed by stopping to report to his new recruiter and employer.

After a bunch of snippets that show this unnamed organization pulling all these factions and resources together, the viewer would get a whole episode showing them doing something, probably hitting Wesker's facilities to show that this shadow organization doesn't want to destroy everything. Or one that introduces the Oracle and the Home, introducing the fact that they have their own Force users and methodology separate from Jedi/Sith. Or a whole episode following Thrawn pulling one over the CIS and stealing their flagship, followed by teaching Ahsoka some tactics.

All this leading up to the second Prequel movie where it's end credits teaser reveals that Ciaran is in charge.
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To be fair, even if they never showed anything about Ciaran that Anakin and friends couldn't get to see or hear themselves there's a ton of hints strewn about the viewers could put together if they just had characters bring up one event or another in conversation. Like pretty much anything Ciaran does that repercutes on the Galaxy. The Huk scandal, her connection to Dooku (Sith don't just save random people from assassinations for no reason) and her being able to talk Padme into voting for the Military Creation Act, which some fans would claim is proof of mental manipulation.

Basically Ciaran interacts with our protagonists and people our protagonists know a lot, and does important things through the Galaxy. You could totally have the Silver Cross working in the background of a war-focused episode, doing some humanitarian aid, and someone would mention Ciaran's their boss. So she'd come up in conversation a fair amount and people would piece together that yes, she is important.

Or maybe they'd just see the time Ciaran talks to Anakin about Vectivus and promptly conclude she's Sith, because that's just an obvious Sith talk, being a direct parallel to when Palpatine talks about Plagueis.

Something I imagined that could be cool is you could, after the normal Mortis episode, do the Mortis episode as Ciaran saw it, mostly focused on the parts our protagonists missed, such as the force ghosts that were there to talk to Ciaran (and who happen to be vital to her backstory), but also in general showing how she sees things, with Auras everywhere and everything changing color around The Ones, like things did in the written update. You could even have the whispers of the Shatterpoint ability that'd become loud enough to be understood after Ciaran learns how to use it, but be there as eerie whispers through the first half of the episode.
 
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doing the mortis episode through ciaran would be great, start it off with her talking to her old man and suddenly throw herself into the portal to get into mortis after she starts to hear the wispers.
 
Speaking of Ciaran vs Palpatine, having the endgame, after all the plotting and build-up, become an epic final confrontation, would be more narratively satisfying than something anti-climactic.
 
If we do have to fight Sheev ourself, can we figure out how to make more Foce Bonds first?

I want to blatantly rip off the spirit bomb from DBZ create something like a Thoght Bomb powered by the energy/focus leant to us by the Force Sensitives we're connected to.
 
Ridiculously Average Guy said:
If we do have to fight Sheev ourself, can we figure out how to make more Foce Bonds first?

I want to blatantly rip off the spirit bomb from DBZ create something like a Thoght Bomb powered by the energy/focus leant to us by the Force Sensitives we're connected to.
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Yeah no, we're not firing one of those at Palpatine while presumably still on planet. Seriously, spending a thousand years stuck in a Force Nexus until the Force gets around to sending someone to unfuck things is bad enough without spending them with Palpatine of all people. The man would make both our un-lives hell.
 
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065tdsa said:
Yeah no, we're not firing one of those at Palpatine while presumably still on planet. Seriously, spending a thousand years stuck in a Force Nexus until the Force gets around to sending someone to unfuck things is bad enough without spending them with Palpatine of all people. The man would make both our un-lives hell.
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I said like a Thought Bomb, not an actual one. That would suck to be anywhere near.

Still...back to the drawing board. What about a Matukai Destruction Wave?

Apply what we know of Matukai offensively into an attack that destructively breaks down the body of an enemy, rather than strengthen it.
 
Ridiculously Average Guy said:
I said like a Thought Bomb, not an actual one. That would suck to be anywhere near.

Still...back to the drawing board. What about a Matukai Destruction Wave?

Apply what we know of Matukai offensively into an attack that destructively breaks down the body of an enemy, rather than strengthen it.
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That would basically fall under "Organic" Shatterpoint. It's possible to at least do something like that, just not in the context you're suggesting.
 
Dr. Snark said:
"...A pity really. I doubt that the Watchers would be interested in a random captain of an Acclamator. Even so, you do seem like such a fascinating individual, Captain Pellaeon. Perhaps..."
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A random bartender became what you know as Ciaran, Thrawn. Doesn't he know the history of the organization he's in, and their want for "fascinating" individuals?
 
Lalzparty said:
A random bartender became what you know as Ciaran, Thrawn. Doesn't he know the history of the organization he's in, and their want for "fascinating" individuals?
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To address the comments on this, it's more that the Watchers are more or less in Total War Mode for lack of a better way of putting it. Under normal circumstances it wouldn't be much of an issue, but given what's going on some random captain, even with Thrawn's curiosity is going to be written off as "someone to approach if we've run out of more important people to contact."

At least that's how Thrawn sees it. Whether he's right is...well, a matter of how the votes play out. But knowing you people...
 
Dr. Snark said:
To address the comments on this, it's more that the Watchers are more or less in Total War Mode for lack of a better way of putting it. Under normal circumstances it wouldn't be much of an issue, but given what's going on some random captain, even with Thrawn's curiosity is going to be written off as "someone to approach if we've run out of more important people to contact."

At least that's how Thrawn sees it. Whether he's right is...well, a matter of how the votes play out. But knowing you people...
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A mini-Thrawn. Who we could have chair our navy so we could have a Thrawn-At-Large. Yes, done, and while we're at it can we pilfer Yularen or does Anakin still need him?

Pellaeon during the Clone Wars said:
"We're not equipped for this at all, but I like a challenge. Good for morale when we pull it off."
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If that isn't reason enough to steal him? Look, I have a soft spot for him. He reminds me of my grandpa (the combination of short hair and mustache in particular).

Wiki-diving a bit...oh my god.

Ahsoka met him (paragraph two of the linked section). She also likely witnessed his decision-making and ability to handle unexpected situations.

Omake idea rolling through my head: Ahsoka pops in on Thrawn looking at Pellaeon stuff and says "Oh, yeah, that guy? I've met him. Good dude. Good at what he does. Really good. You'd be friends." A ripple of the Force surges through the room. "Did you feel that?" "That surge through the Force? Uhhh, yeah. Wait, you felt that?" "Yes. I do believe he just went up my priority list approximately all the notches. I'm hardly one to argue with the Force when it decides to grab me by the lapels and shake me." "Your uniform doesn't have lapels." "All the more impressive, then, for the Force to shake me by them." I'd write it myself, but I'm on day 5 of a nasty cold with a 100+ fever all 5 days and I'm not sure of my handle on Ahsoka when I'm at peak condition--which isn't now.

Pellaeon's lover, Hallena Devis, was a Republic spy who left the Republic shortly after the battle of JanFathal. She joined up with Djinn Altis of the Altisian Jedi, who...oh that's right, we just became neighbors with.

FASCINATING.

Canonically, she reconnects with Pellaeon some time after this and has his son.

Well, who are we to argue with canon?

okay we're usually the first in line.

(LINK)--because citing my pop-culture sources to bring people in on the smiles and joys of (a tiny clip of) the best two part episode in reboot-era Dr. Who. (I'm not biased in favor of Eccleston or this episode, no sir.)
 
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