BTW something that's been bugging me is how rich is Ciaran?

Like on the Star Wars equivalent of the Forbs 100 or what ever that list of the top 100 rich people is whatever that's called where is she?

I mean obviously her public persona is much less rich than her real one, but still.
the answer to that question is probly in the top 10 of rich people.
maby event the top 5
 
BTW something that's been bugging me is how rich is Ciaran?

Like on the Star Wars equivalent of the Forbs 100 or what ever that list of the top 100 rich people is whatever that's called where is she?

I mean obviously her public persona is much less rich than her real one, but still.
If we eyeball I'd say public persona Top 50 in Galaxy
Real deal? around ~top 10. (While I'm including the likes of Jabba and there are some individuals that have enormous finances)

Edit: Naboo'd! :ninja:
 
You are correct. But there is a difference between a planetwide decline and a galactic decline.
The Jedi have more than enough people.
Well, but in the case of most religious orders you only need to have vocation and study enough to join, in the case of the Jedi you have to be force sensitive, and seeing how in a galaxy with hundreds of trillions of inhabitants there is only 10000 Jedi, you can see how rare force sensitivity is.

Taking this into account, the decline will be immense, because the actual number of recruitable people is ridiculously small, and even if it is true that some people will join willingly, they will be a very small number.

Basically, the Jedi will continue existing, but their number will probably be reduced from a few thousands to a few hundreds in 3 or 4 generations (there will not be enough recruits to renew the inevitable loses due to age or accidents)-
 
Well force sensitives that they will take.

There'd probably be a lot more if they took in the ones that were able to give some degree of consent.

Why? The modus operandi of the Jedi is taking all the fore sensitives they can find when they are babies, the number of force sensitives will stay the same, but there will be many who will not want to join the Jedi, in the same way that there is a fairly small amount of people who will want to join any other religious order that makes you renounce your family and friends, and live by the maxims of Poverty, Chastity, and Obedience.

Especially when there are other places that can teach you how to use the Force and they don´t ask you to renounce to your previous life to join...
 
the thing about the force sensitives is that other force groups grab at the barrel as well, and the jedi are NOT everywere, they are especially not in the outer planets, away fromt the core worlds, they simply dont go and do much out there.
 
Why? The modus operandi of the Jedi is taking all the fore sensitives they can find when they are babies, the number of force sensitives will stay the same, but there will be many who will not want to join the Jedi, in the same way that there is a fairly small amount of people who will want to join any other religious order that makes you renounce your family and friends, and live by the maxims of Poverty, Chastity, and Obedience.

Especially when there are other places that can teach you how to use the Force and they don´t ask you to renounce to your previous life to join...
Yeah, but the Jedi are a very well known and respected organisation even if their numbers are dwindling at this time, it took the empire to make people forget about them.

Before then they were heroes legendary knights known from heights of Corusant to even the further reaches of the outer rim.

I'd wager there's plenty of Jedi who've run into older force sensitives who'd leap at a chance to join the great order be a legendary Jedi (I know I might) and its not like they live in poverty, hell I don't even believe there's anything specifically requiring chastity either. As for obedience sure, but I have to be obedient to my teachers ect. and if I'm a Jedi I get to be a hero. Pretty sweet deal.

Instead they get turned away because they're too old despite their hero worship.

Even if there are other options because frankly those other groups like the Blackwatch Makutai ect. they're not very well known...like at all.

Hell if they really don't wanna budge on this issue just give the older sensitives basic training and a promise to help Jedi that need it.

Also your wrong about there not being enough force users, there are plenty and the number is presumably growing with the galactic population, the main issue is that there simply are not enough Jedi to look for em and do their main job.

And this problem is only going to get worse if they remain in the core, too many people drowns out force signatures. There maybe some midiclorian test though I dunno.
 
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Isn't that from Paarthurnax?

Yes. There's also another Paarthurnax quote that fits Vectivus, "People believe me to be Old and Wise. I am Old."

Maybe, but it works.

Still thanks for placing it...damn I haven't played Skyrim in forever.

Yeah, I'm tempted to get my PS3 back out to play it, but afraid if I do that I won't be available for anything else for about... six months at least.
 
Yeah, I'm tempted to get my PS3 back out to play it, but afraid if I do that I won't be available for anything else for about... six months at least.
Not my problem espeially since I've got mods if I want new stuff :D.

Nah my problem is that no matter what I do I end up with a majority stake in the universe.

Even if I limit myself to just looting gems.

Still I feel ya.
 
I wonder if any one of our Abyss Watchers have disguised themselves as an Antarian Ranger in order to help the Jedi Sentinals in their missions.
 
I wonder if any one of our Abyss Watchers have disguised themselves as an Antarian Ranger in order to help the Jedi Sentinals in their missions.

Y'know, that smells like omake-bait.

To my knowledge the Rangers had been in decline for hundreds of years and before the Clone Wars were little more than pro-Jedi mercenaries, which the Order didn't like associating with due to their renouncing of military leadership. They did make a slight comeback, helping out as advisors for Jedi Generals needing experts to help, but they had pretty high casualty rates.
 
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To my knowledge the Rangers had been in decline for hundreds of years and before the Clone Wars were little more than pro-Jedi mercenaries, which the Order didn't like associating with due to their renouncing of military leadership. They did make a slight comeback, helping out as advisors for Jedi Generals needing experts to help, but they had pretty high casualty rates.
Considering they only started existing in 620 BBY, they'd need to have started to decline fairly quickly for this to be true. I know they got pasted due to the Purge, but considering the survivors were pretty elite...there's a chance a few of them might not be terrible.
 
Considering they only started existing in 620 BBY, they'd need to have started to decline fairly quickly for this to be true. I know they got pasted due to the Purge, but considering the survivors were pretty elite...there's a chance a few of them might not be terrible.

In the era leading up the Clone Wars the traditionalist viewpoint in the Order won out and the Jedi started working less with them. The inactivity got so bad that some branches were disbanded and others become freelance mercenaries or members of sector defence forces. By the time of the Clone Wars they were half their original size.

They had a brief surge in membership and acted as support to the leadership of the Jedi in the GAR, but since there were so many Jedi spread across multiple fronts needing their expertise... they got spread too thin to be strategically effective, there wasn't enough actual Rangers for the Jedi (most were Explorers or Lieutenants [recruits who hadn't finished their training and a honorific position]) and they weren't used to the scale of the Clone Wars (though to fair neither was anyone else).

When Order 66 came down they were designated Jedi Supporters and the Clones gunned them down too. What was left was a small core of elites who had gotten lucky to either be away from the Clones or with a Jedi badass enough to help fight their way out. They didn't really recover to pre-Clone War numbers until 25ABY when the Yuuzahn Vong invaded.
 
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In the era leading up the Clone Wars the traditionalist viewpoint in the Order won out and the Jedi started working less with them. The inactivity got so bad that some branches were disbanded and others become freelance mercenaries or members of sector defence forces. By the time of the Clone Wars they were half their original size.
Yikes, now consider the fact that everyone who wasn't considered a traditionalist either fell to the dark side, or died before that could happen.
 
Yikes, now consider the fact that everyone who wasn't considered a traditionalist either fell to the dark side, or died before that could happen.

I think those who weren't tradionalists decided that they didn't want to hang around with them and thus decided to leave on long term missions to the Outer Rim. Qui-Gon Jinn had a habit of turning up at the Temple to state that he wasn't dead after being declared by the Council months previously (on multiple occasions).

Then there was Ky Narec, Ventress' Jedi Master, decided to spend ten years self-teaching a child and leading a two person crusade against slavers and pirates, rather than listen to the Jedi Council and return to the Temple without her because she was too old to teach the Jedi ways.
 
I don't know if this has been discussed before but has anyone thought just how terrifying a child of Thrawn and Ciaran's would be? Those two are some of the smartest, charismatic and ambitious people in the galaxy, if they ever decide to have a child together who also turns out Force Sensitive and so much like them can you just imagine the reaction of those around them? I don't know why but I find it very funny to picture how everyone reacts. The kid would be Chancellor of the Republic before they're fourteen and wrapping everyone around their little fingers.

Also FYI this isn't necessarily about Thrawn/Ciaran as a pairing, but more about a possibility that I find amusing.
 
I don't know if this has been discussed before but has anyone thought just how terrifying a child of Thrawn and Ciaran's would be? Those two are some of the smartest, charismatic and ambitious people in the galaxy, if they ever decide to have a child together who also turns out Force Sensitive and so much like them can you just imagine the reaction of those around them? I don't know why but I find it very funny to picture how everyone reacts. The kid would be Chancellor of the Republic before they're fourteen and wrapping everyone around their little fingers.

Also FYI this isn't necessarily about Thrawn/Ciaran as a pairing, but more about a possibility that I find amusing.
 
I think those who weren't tradionalists decided that they didn't want to hang around with them and thus decided to leave on long term missions to the Outer Rim. Qui-Gon Jinn had a habit of turning up at the Temple to state that he wasn't dead after being declared by the Council months previously (on multiple occasions).

Then there was Ky Narec, Ventress' Jedi Master, decided to spend ten years self-teaching a child and leading a two person crusade against slavers and pirates, rather than listen to the Jedi Council and return to the Temple without her because she was too old to teach the Jedi ways.
Huh? This gives one a interesting question to ponder: if they never interacted with the greater Jedi order, can they really be considered to be a part of it in the first place? It could be argued that said individuals already have left the Jedi order unofficially, even if they hadn't done so officially.
 
I don't know if this has been discussed before but has anyone thought just how terrifying a child of Thrawn and Ciaran's would be? Those two are some of the smartest, charismatic and ambitious people in the galaxy, if they ever decide to have a child together who also turns out Force Sensitive and so much like them can you just imagine the reaction of those around them? I don't know why but I find it very funny to picture how everyone reacts. The kid would be Chancellor of the Republic before they're fourteen and wrapping everyone around their little fingers.

Also FYI this isn't necessarily about Thrawn/Ciaran as a pairing, but more about a possibility that I find amusing.
honestly the kid would be a pretty massive badass. also might make a good villian/anti-hero for future luke, sinse he is GOING to do some hero bullshit sooner or later.
 
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