- Location
- Northern Ireland, UK
[X] Give the order to have Sev'rance assassinated. She's too much of a liability for your future plans and she's certainly replaceable.
May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
- Thread starter Dr. Snark
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- Location
- Staring into the void
[X] Give the order to have Sev'rance assassinated. She's too much of a liability for your future plans and she's certainly replaceable.
Killerflood
Corporal Cannonfodder
- Location
- Saṃsāra
Err ... I'm going to have to disagree on the "Good" Sith part. Better? Sure. Good? Ehhhh ...
"Just because you're a good Sith doesn't make you Good Sith."
- Location
- Reno Nv
[X] Give the order to have Sev'rance assassinated. She's too much of a liability for your future plans and she's certainly replaceable.
Don't forget to blame it on someone else.
Don't forget to blame it on someone else.
Darrenb209
"Who are you, who do not know your history?"
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- Scotland
Err ... I'm going to have to disagree on the "Good" Sith part. Better? Sure. Good? Ehhhh ...
"Just because you're a good Sith doesn't make you Good Sith."
It's a relative thing.
When compared to the vast majority of Sith that has been before, we are good.
[X] Give the order to have Sev'rance assassinated. She's too much of a liability for your future plans and she's certainly replaceable.
- Location
- Somewhere and somewhen in time and space
[X] Give the order to have Sev'rance assassinated. She's too much of a liability for your future plans and she's certainly replaceable.
It might be worthwhile, use Maul to kill Tann, stir up some chaos and then kill Maul with Obi-Wan bait, hopefully in a manner which shakes the Republic a bit.
Hm, how's about we could use Maul to pull off some blatant murder? Use a plot of political terrorism against some Palpatine allies to 'lure out' Obi-Wan and Anakin after having told them we'd heard about something maybe going down from one of our 'contacts', hint at rumours of a Zabrak with a red Saber to secure Obi-Wan.
We set things up for a confrontation with assets on hand (HK-47 perhaps?) to tip the balance in favour of our Jedi, kill Maul and instead of killing a politician with a crazy Sith we bomb the crap out of some unfortunate Palpatine minion with previously planted explosives.
Win-win.
Hm, how's about we could use Maul to pull off some blatant murder? Use a plot of political terrorism against some Palpatine allies to 'lure out' Obi-Wan and Anakin after having told them we'd heard about something maybe going down from one of our 'contacts', hint at rumours of a Zabrak with a red Saber to secure Obi-Wan.
We set things up for a confrontation with assets on hand (HK-47 perhaps?) to tip the balance in favour of our Jedi, kill Maul and instead of killing a politician with a crazy Sith we bomb the crap out of some unfortunate Palpatine minion with previously planted explosives.
Win-win.
- Location
- Australia
But when compared to the actually good Sith, the Sith who embraced the Light Side instead of the Dark Side, we aren't good.
Darrenb209
"Who are you, who do not know your history?"
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- Scotland
Except the vast majority of Sith who embrace the Light Side quit being Sith shortly afterwards. Or die.
A rare few don't though.
Edit: Whether you are a good version of something is decided by the norm, not the outliers.
It's best described like this. A good person is a person who is on the good side of what the normal type of person is.
A Good Sith is any Sith who is on the Good side of the Scale for a Sith, but would likely still be on the evil Side of the Person Scale.
An Evil Sith is a Sith who is on the Evil side of the scale for Sith. These are so far off the edge of the Person Scale that it would be scary.
It's a bit of an oversimplification, but this does describe it quite well.
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- At the Edge of Insanity
Of course there is also the detail that Ciaran hasn't embraced the Dark Side either. AT ALL.
- Location
- USA
Because everyone else is doing it:
[X] Give the order to have Sev'rance assassinated. She's too much of a liability for your future plans and she's certainly replaceable.
That's not exactly a very high bar.
[X] Give the order to have Sev'rance assassinated. She's too much of a liability for your future plans and she's certainly replaceable.
That's not exactly a very high bar.
- Location
- Australia
So she's neutral at best.
frozenchicken
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I kind of just want to use Maul to bait a trap for Sidious. He's one of the few ways we have to get Sidious out from the protections his facade grants him. If he comes as Sidious, then we 'only' have to deal with his immense personal skill and power.
I'm willing to back any plan that people can convince me improves the odds of that.
I'm willing to back any plan that people can convince me improves the odds of that.
- Location
- United States
[X] Give the order to have Sev'rance assassinated. She's too much of a liability for your future plans and she's certainly replaceable.
is there a comparative stat table anywhere? for things like Lore and Martial in particular. im curious about how we stack up to the average jedi knight or master.
is there a comparative stat table anywhere? for things like Lore and Martial in particular. im curious about how we stack up to the average jedi knight or master.
Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
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- Right where I want to be
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- He/His/Him
Yeah so I was planning on leaving this open a while longer but then the landslide happened. So murder it is!
Anyway, wanted to respond to some other stuff while I was here:
Sanity and Grievous never go together. Canon, +10.
I can't say I can see a Jedi doing that. Grievous on the other hand...
SIEG-er...we'll figure something out eventually...
Well honestly at that point you might as well escalate to mecha with lightsabers wait shit gundam already does that
Honestly whether or not Ciaran is seen as a good Sith or a "good" Sith depends greatly on who she's interacting with, what she's having to deal with, and so on...
For some reason I can't help but feel that's a good way of putting it. Or maybe I'm just enjoying the reference. Probably both.
Anyway, wanted to respond to some other stuff while I was here:
Sanity and Grievous never go together. Canon, +10.
I can't say I can see a Jedi doing that. Grievous on the other hand...
SIEG-er...we'll figure something out eventually...
Now you've made me think about a tank wielding a lightsaber. Now I made myself imagine a duel between lightsaber-wielding tanks. Enjoy that thought.
Pictured: Knight Stubby and Knight Chubby fighting in defense of the Republic.
Well honestly at that point you might as well escalate to mecha with lightsabers wait shit gundam already does that
Honestly whether or not Ciaran is seen as a good Sith or a "good" Sith depends greatly on who she's interacting with, what she's having to deal with, and so on...
Err ... I'm going to have to disagree on the "Good" Sith part. Better? Sure. Good? Ehhhh ...
"Just because you're a good Sith doesn't make you Good Sith."
For some reason I can't help but feel that's a good way of putting it. Or maybe I'm just enjoying the reference. Probably both.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
BAAAAAANNNNNNNNDDDDDD WAAGOOOOOON.
Aramis
An unwilling witness
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- Who cares?
I'd say she's neutral with altruistic tendencies while being amoral about her actions. She does things because she wants to, not because of a deep philosophy or a need for controling others. She tends to do things that help others while helping herself at the same time, which can be considered good or not based on one's own perspective on thoughts and actions.
She is one GREEDY FUCK though, that's for sure.
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- Australia
I'd say she's evil with altruistic tendencies. Someone willing to do evil things to other people out of greed rather than out of love for evilness is still evil, and she most certainly has hurt innocent people out of greed (or at least been willing to).
What Grievous should do next is set up the world's biggest fishing line with the opee fish on the hook as bait so he can capture a Sando Aqua Monster.
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Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
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- Right where I want to be
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- He/His/Him
Dammit I forgot to mention a thing in my last post, so let's fix that.
Since there's been a total consensus on the Sev'rance thing, I'm going to throw out a question to the thread: where do you think she should die? The how is a given, but the galaxy is a big big place filled with all sorts of impossibly cool terrain and impractical buildings that would make for great setpieces.
This isn't going to be a full-on vote; think of it more as a fun co-writing activity or some other phrase made of buzzwords. Point being is that this is going to be a big big moment in Asajj's character arc and I really want to make sure I do it justice, and I figure you guys should get the chance to contribute to the interlude more meaningfully than being a part of a massive bandwagon.
Since there's been a total consensus on the Sev'rance thing, I'm going to throw out a question to the thread: where do you think she should die? The how is a given, but the galaxy is a big big place filled with all sorts of impossibly cool terrain and impractical buildings that would make for great setpieces.
This isn't going to be a full-on vote; think of it more as a fun co-writing activity or some other phrase made of buzzwords. Point being is that this is going to be a big big moment in Asajj's character arc and I really want to make sure I do it justice, and I figure you guys should get the chance to contribute to the interlude more meaningfully than being a part of a massive bandwagon.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
In essence the way she sees the world is "If I help others then instead of burning things to the ground and taking what I want I will get even more stuff constantly over time. On the other hand by only getting in the way of stupid stuff like idiot sith rather than doing the impossible and trying to regulate crime ect. (save for my whims) like Jedi.
In other words a successful business person.
Ciaran at her core isn't really good or evil, but she is very complex.
As far as I can see she doesn't see the world in the spectrum of good or evil really she sees it in terms of cost and benefits. She weighed up the cost vs benefits of the Jedi method vs the Sith method and decided both of them are stupid, which in their own ways they are or at least to her personality type (she's not naturally self sacrificing enough to see good in the Jedi system nor ambitious in the correct sense to be a traditional sith.)
Instead she did the correct thing and broke the eternal cycle of idiocy between Jedi and Sith.
Has she harmed innocents
certainly. The extent to which she has harmed them though can be debated.During the Tears of Cammas she actually goes over it a bit and looks at how, for instance, despite her being partially responsible for the TF messing up Naboo so much her intervention afterwards did a ton of good for the planet which we probably wouldn't have been able to do without doing the info gathering.
She herself though is not really directly culpable with things like Drugs or slave trading to my knowledge (I mean we operate smugglers dens and are Hutt associates, so we're willing not getting in the way or anything), but that can be rationalised as what can we do? Crime isn't going to go away so best we can do is regulate the **** out of it.
Eh the jist of my ramble is that trying to call Ciran good or evil or leaning either way is a waste of time as fundamentally she'll do what she thinks is best for her in terms of long term planning which really is the fundamental difference between her, the Jedi and Sith...
Most likely a byproduct of being a business woman.