Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Snowy, Cold, Flowers.
Pitch black sky
At the end Aurora (symbolic of Asajj finally being able to move onto things bigger than revenge or something like that)
May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
- Thread starter Dr. Snark
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- star wars canon what canon tsundere dice ck2 quest actions have consequences all the credits all work and no play makes ciaran a dull girl best sister capitalism ho! despairing qm teetotaller society member gotta catch 'em all insanity looting off the rails sage dice approaching spicy sheev tsundere asajj
Pitch black sky
At the end Aurora (symbolic of Asajj finally being able to move onto things bigger than revenge or something like that)
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
I think it should be something like this
Only with Ventress winning
Only with Ventress winning
- Location
- The internet
Thyferra. Have that be the backdrop.
Ideas:
-Sev'rance thinks it's just Maul and Savage and then they step aside (Savage to prevent the droids from intervening and Maul so he can watch) to let Asajji have her fight.
-Asajji finishes the conversation on Kamino, "this is that other life. I am not your shadow, I am your executioner."
-Snow.
-Asajji using techniques learnt from Ciaran and the Abyss Watchers.
-Sev'rance thinks it's just Maul and Savage and then they step aside (Savage to prevent the droids from intervening and Maul so he can watch) to let Asajji have her fight.
-Asajji finishes the conversation on Kamino, "this is that other life. I am not your shadow, I am your executioner."
-Snow.
-Asajji using techniques learnt from Ciaran and the Abyss Watchers.
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Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
- Location
- Right where I want to be
- Pronouns
- He/His/Him
Not going to lie I was tempted to use Mustafar but I figured it'd be a bit of a cop-out, especially given the stuff with Anakin that happened.
Relatedly, I realize I should have probably tossed up a stage select screen from a fighting game given what my question was. Ah well, live and learn, right?
- Location
- Probably Not Behind You
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Is it too late to suggest 1v1 Final Destination Fox Only No Items?
- Location
- Australia
No, you can't just say that a person isn't evil just because they do costs vs benefits. Everyone does that - good, neutral, and evil people alike. It's a complete cop-out to use that excuse. Don't pretend we're playing someone that isn't evil just because you're uneasy about it.In other words a successful business person.
Ciaran at her core isn't really good or evil, but she is very complex.
As far as I can see she doesn't see the world in the spectrum of good or evil really she sees it in terms of cost and benefits. She weighed up the cost vs benefits of the Jedi method vs the Sith method and decided both of them are stupid, which in their own ways they are or at least to her personality type (she's not naturally self sacrificing enough to see good in the Jedi system nor ambitious in the correct sense to be a traditional sith.)
Instead she did the correct thing and broke the eternal cycle of idiocy between Jedi and Sith.
Has she harmed innocentscertainly. The extent to which she has harmed them though can be debated.
During the Tears of Cammas she actually goes over it a bit and looks at how, for instance, despite her being partially responsible for the TF messing up Naboo so much her intervention afterwards did a ton of good for the planet which we probably wouldn't have been able to do without doing the info gathering.
She herself though is not really directly culpable with things like Drugs or slave trading to my knowledge (I mean we operate smugglers dens and are Hutt associates, so we're willing not getting in the way or anything), but that can be rationalised as what can we do? Crime isn't going to go away so best we can do is regulate the **** out of it.
Eh the jist of my ramble is that trying to call Ciran good or evil or leaning either way is a waste of time as fundamentally she'll do what she thinks is best for her in terms of long term planning which really is the fundamental difference between her, the Jedi and Sith...
Most likely a byproduct of being a business woman.
That she doesn't see the world in terms of good and evil is objectively wrong, but more importantly, it's irrelevant. An evil person does not have to recognise that they are evil in order to be evil and do evil. If Ciaran does evil things for selfish reasons, she's evil regardless of whether she thinks in terms of good and evil or not.
That she does good does not make her neutral. What she does is find people who've been shot and bandage them up for future favour or resources, sometimes being the one to hire the snipers in the first place as with Naboo. She has a line she won't cross - slavery and genocide - but there is a lot of evil stuff before that that she is 100% willing to do for nothing more than personal profit like smuggling, bribery, and murder. Even with slavery, while her line precludes her from directly involving herself with it, the only time we ever see her appearing upset about its existence was when she was justifying her connection to the Hutts with Anakin. The rest of the time she doesn't even bat an eye at it.
Doing things out of greed, picking a middle ground Force philosophy, and weighing costs vs benefits does not magically mean Ciaran isn't evil. It's a cop-out - a shit one at that - to say that it does.
She does bad things out of greed. That makes her evil. Also doing neutral and good things out of greed does not make her neutral or without morality.
She has chosen a path between absolute extremes. That doesn't mean her path is the exact middle of the road neutral.
She thinks in terms of costs and benefits, but everyone does that. Good people think of benefits as "what would help the most people", neutral people think of benefits as "what would help me the most without hurting others", evil people think "what would help me the most" and sometimes "what would help me the most without me being an absolute irredeemable monster". Ciaran falls into the lattermost category.
And being evil does not preclude complexity. Ciaran is a complex character, and there is good in her, but that doesn't mean she isn't evil.
EDIT: Ciaran is a Pragmatic Villain with Even Evil Has Standards mixed in.
Pragmatic Villainy - TV Tropes
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Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
- Location
- Right where I want to be
- Pronouns
- He/His/Him
Well...yeah. It's more like a 3v1 + Cannon Fodder scenario, and there's no way I'm having a straight up brawl between Asajj and Sev'rance.
Because Sev'rance would lose.
Badly.
NO. You will have your dramatic fight sequence in a picturesque locale and you will like it!
- Location
- Dual citizen of SV&SB
Fine. Bespin platforms ala Battlefront 1.NO. You will have your dramatic fight sequence in a picturesque locale and you will like it!
Fall to your doom!
- Location
- Australia
What about Dooku's fortress? In canon, Asajj and a couple of nightsisters went to assassinate him in his home and failed, leading him to pick up Savage as his apprentice. The assassination of his narratively unimportant and wholly redundant apprentice in his home would serve as a similar trigger to get a new, better apprentice of the same calibre as Maul.
It's dramatic, there's mooks, and it'll be less work for the GM to figure out what happens next.
It's dramatic, there's mooks, and it'll be less work for the GM to figure out what happens next.
Diomedea
A piece of the continent
- Location
- The interblag
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Well...yeah. It's more like a 3v1 + Cannon Fodder scenario, and there's no way I'm having a straight up brawl between Asajj and Sev'rance.
Because Sev'rance would lose.
Badly.
NO. You will have your dramatic fight sequence in a picturesque locale and you will like it!
Can it be on her new and decidedly inferior flagship as it's on detached duty, from her perspective as she tries to flee from the horror monsters chasing her?
Well...yeah. It's more like a 3v1 + Cannon Fodder scenario, and there's no way I'm having a straight up brawl between Asajj and Sev'rance.
Because Sev'rance would lose.
Badly.
NO. You will have your dramatic fight sequence in a picturesque locale and you will like it!
-Fighting in a Droid Factory with our reprogrammed Commando Droids.
-Asajj doing the only cool thing by Kylo Ren, stopping a blaster bolt mid air and throwing it back at someone.
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can we add mecha to this universe with a good enough roll?
Killerflood
Corporal Cannonfodder
- Location
- Saṃsāra
I'll be perfectly honest up front and say that I didn't fully read and understand your view points. However ...
I think you're too caught up in good vs. evil. I would also hazard to guess that your view is too black and white with little shades of grey in between when categorizing someone. I think this argument about where Ciaran is on any spectrum is too murky to have any final say on the matter.
- If your view point is completely black and white with little go between and based on "Good" and "Evil" in the western moral sense, then yes, Ciaran is "Evil."
- If you're more a "shades and tints of grey" type view then she is ... well. Grey. That is literally what the early questers voted on during @Teron 's GM tenure.
- You could also be like @Alex pears and I who judge things on a rainbow spectrum. There is no such thing as good and evil. There are only motivations and the relations in between them. We can't (or at least shouldn't) argue on what's good or evil because it's just not how we see it working. Like Alex said, "costs and benefits" not "good and evil."
Stealthy
Reverently Irreverent
- Location
- Roaming
Asajj tricks Sev'rance into thinking that Asajj is going for the overly dramatic and intensely personal 1v1, and so Sev'rance sets a trap for her with a giant ambush room that would totally kill her. So instead Asajj blasts her from orbit, which she never saw coming. Asajj secretly has Thrawn proof the gambit for holes. HK-47 loses a bet and has to watch without getting to press the button. Or gets to press the button when Asajj gives the order so he can finally kill a meatbag on a major assignment. Tann becomes a pile of ash. Ventress is sure to check for survivors. After all, she was supposed to have died in an explosion, and it would not do to be lazy about this sort of thing. Ciaran would want a trophy for the vault anyway.
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
- Location
- Fólkvangr
I imagine the Backdrop being Sev'rance being overrun in a fleet Vs. fleet action against Thrawn while Asajji boards the ship along with an assault squad. The Assault squads tear apart the ship's security systems, jam the engines, and jam the shields as they make there way to the Bridge where Sev'rance plans to make a last stand along with some forces she pulled from elsewhere in the ship.
They lock the door and await for it to be knocked down only for the sneaky assault squad to come in via the air ducts and tactfully take out everyone but Sev'Rance who draws her light saber. She's roaring to go but the squads stand down and simply move back non-chalantly. Without saying a word. They just watch.
Behind her is Asajji her stealth making her a phantom and ready to strike. An when Sev'Rance turns around..well. She'll know that she screwed up in not finding a body. She'll also know what true fear is as all of the powers and techniques she learned are brushed aside as Ventress methodically just cuts through it all.
After beating Sev'Rance completely and standing ready to deliver the final blow though Ventress simply walks away. The Bloodied and severely injured Sev'Rance laying there screaming and gurgling 'FINISH MEE! PLEASE! FINISH MEE!'.
At that moment Ventress and the assualt squads walk out the previously front door and close it from the outside as the ships reactor is set to blow. On the escape shuttle back Ventress sits with the team and Ciaran who climbed aboard. Ciaran asks if she didn't take enough revenge to satisfy her but Ventress replies that she simply outgrew things like 'revenge'. In the end Ventress just didn't care about revenge or Sev'Rance. She saw both of those things as petty and weighing her down to what she really wants to do.
When asked what she wants do Asajii responds 'To be Free'.
Ciaran dosen't make fun of her in any way and is actually taken back as the shuttle returns and Asajii goes off on her own. The Squad leader asks Ciaran if Ventress will be okay to which Ciaran responds 'She'll be more than fine. Just give her time.'
Feel free to steal my very original idea ^-^
Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
- Location
- Right where I want to be
- Pronouns
- He/His/Him
I honestly wish there was a less dickish-sounding way to say this but: we'll see. Don't forget that there's another dozen or so ideas for settings and whatnot floating around right now.
... I'm going to be blunt: several parts of this sound edgy enough to make me very much uninterested.
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
- Location
- Fólkvangr
I take the idea from that one grand theft auto game with Niko Belic.
Someone was taken from him by some goon and later gets captured. You as the player get the option to kill that person or let him go.
Ive nver finished wnough of the game to have gotten to this part but I saw the one option where a okayer on YT did kill the person that Niko has a gripe with.
In the car ride home Roman, Nikos cousin, asks if hes done. If hes ready to now let go of the past and move forward with the future.
Niko admits that it did fill up in a sort of way but that the ordeal was just not enough. "I feel like I need more." he sats which is when Roman replies " An now you can. There are healthier ways to fill your life up."
An then mission success. Basically the above is what I thibk would be approriate. Asajji is someone that has lived with alot of anger in canon because of her Master dying and being taken by slavers herself while young.
But in our universe she now has the oppertunity to say 'You know what? Anger and Revenge arent the only things I need anymore." which prompts her to find something else to do in her life.
Edit: O dont mind the ship thing being thrown out but I would like to see her make a charc shift.
Also whats so edgy? The fight scene where she beats up Sev?
Someone was taken from him by some goon and later gets captured. You as the player get the option to kill that person or let him go.
Ive nver finished wnough of the game to have gotten to this part but I saw the one option where a okayer on YT did kill the person that Niko has a gripe with.
In the car ride home Roman, Nikos cousin, asks if hes done. If hes ready to now let go of the past and move forward with the future.
Niko admits that it did fill up in a sort of way but that the ordeal was just not enough. "I feel like I need more." he sats which is when Roman replies " An now you can. There are healthier ways to fill your life up."
An then mission success. Basically the above is what I thibk would be approriate. Asajji is someone that has lived with alot of anger in canon because of her Master dying and being taken by slavers herself while young.
But in our universe she now has the oppertunity to say 'You know what? Anger and Revenge arent the only things I need anymore." which prompts her to find something else to do in her life.
Edit: O dont mind the ship thing being thrown out but I would like to see her make a charc shift.
Also whats so edgy? The fight scene where she beats up Sev?
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