DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
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- San Diego, California
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- He/Him
Ciaran: The report is in, 90% of the southern rim is related to Silas.
Silas: *looks smug*
May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
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Ciaran: The report is in, 90% of the southern rim is related to Silas.
Silas: *looks smug*
Darrenb209
"Who are you, who do not know your history?"
- Location
- Scotland
Why? A Galaxy worth of people, living longer thanks to advanced medicine and in a time of a long peace. No real lack of food... There's no real reason not to have kids.
Sure, there's limits, but we're nowhere near those.
My money is on The Three Stooges Syndrome, except all the STDs.
Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
- Location
- Right where I want to be
- Pronouns
- He/His/Him
This is the space past future. That's not going to be a long-term problem thanks to science.
- Location
- Asia
Yeah, that theory makes too much sense. There is a definite parallel with the goofy Yoda who is then revealed to be a Master of the Jedi. I think Lucas' mistake was making Jar Jar too goofy that people were getting irritated by him.
Pity there are no Darth Jar Jar quests. We could have finally done justice to this underappreciated bombad character.
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- america
hahaha! the universe is big, and gramps liked to fuck things, he like to do it a lot
You could keep what was the original ending to the prequels which expanded Padme's role. She basically catches on that Anakin seems to be cracking under stress from the war, Palpatine has dismembered liberty in the name of security and the Senate either can't or won't vote to remove him. So behind closed doors she starts forming the organisation that will become the Rebel Alliance and it's not just Bail, Mothma and the Delegation of 2000, but also Separatists who believe they know too much to be left alive.
She also brings a knife to Mustafar when she confronts Anakin with the full intention of murdering the Monster he's become. Question if she'd use it is up for debate, but it does give Anakin more of a reason to believe she betrayed him rather than Obi-Wan walking down the ramp. It would also help if Padme was injured more gravely so that we wouldn't need 'lost the will to live' as an excuse for her death.
Killerflood
Corporal Cannonfodder
- Location
- Saṃsāra
Definitely, but I would argue that "the will to live" is a factor in how long you stay conscious. I mean just think of sleeping. Isn't it easier when you want to go to sleep? Think of it this way:
- Padme's deep loyalty to the ideals of the Republic and Democracy means she receives a very heavy blow when said ideals no longer exist in any shape or form. She lost hope in the government. Government has also been her life up until this point. Queen (young teenager)-> Senator. (adulthood)
- Padme's husband is seen slaughtering children by a close friend of both her and her husband who would have no use in lying in such a way. She starts to go into denial.
- Confronting said husband it is inferred that he has in fact become such a monster. Her denial has been ripped away and despair takes its place.
- Her Husband chokes her so badly that she loses consciousness and is left there lying on Mustafar. The atmosphere is surely not condusive to ones health and a pregnant mother on the verge of birth? Eeesh...
- She then nearly immediately gives birth after gaining consciousness and giving birth is dangerous even in modern times depending on the health of the mother. And apparently naturally too as there was no hints of a Cesarean section!
The excuse that her "losing the will to live" was the cause of her death though? That's udder bullshit and whoever came up with that excuse was being a lazy bastard. Not even stupid. Just lazy.
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Oh, idea. Maybe the atmosphere is too dangerous to be outside without breathing equipment even for short periods so Anakin gets to don the lower half of the Vader helmet so we get the iconic breathing?
Killerflood
Corporal Cannonfodder
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I might have considered it if Krennic in Rogue One had been seen wearing a breather when meeting with Vader. But no, so ... no.
Well he is technically inside when he meets Vader. Maybe some sort of filter system and airlock for the Separatist base so show that the interior's safe?
You know, someone has got to make some alternate episodes of the Clone Wars to show how Ciaran could alter canonical events. In fact, I got a good one. A nice What-If.
Star Wars: The Clone Wars Season 5: Episode 109. To Recruit a Jedi
The Togruta named Ahsoka Tano was traversing the undersides of Coruscant. With only a few possessions on her being, she was contemplating her next move.
In hindsight, leaving the Jedi Order so suddenly might not have been the smartest move on her part. Sure, she no longer cared about being in the Order after everything that happened, but she did not think of the long term problems. While she still had some Credits that would last her for a little while, it was clear that her finances were going to run out sooner, rather than later. Even with living the cheapest of hotel buildings, the planet many consider the capital world of the galaxy was far from cheap. Even for people with highly paying jobs even within the Jedi Order. A realization she learned not even a week ago.
As she travelled through some of the lower and less secure levels of the planet, she could tell that someone was following her. A mysteriously cloaked figure was following her moves and was doing a very good job at hiding his (or her) presence. The cloak could have meant many things, most of which were bad. The most likely scenario was that there was an assassin or a criminal that would want to take advantage of her status as a Jedi (or rather ex-Jedi in her case).
Knowing what was going on, she lured her pursuer into an ambush. Merely walked into one of the many remote alleyways that have been abandoned for Force knows how many years. Finding a perfect position to jump at the cloaked figure with her Lightsaber activated. And once the stranger followed the bait, the trap was sprung and the Togruta restrained her new prisoner.
"Who are you!?" Ahsoka demanded loudly. "You are no mere thug or casual spy to follow me for so long."
"Very impressive," a very familiar and professional voice with glowing red eyes answered. "Not many notice me tailing them so quickly. Even among Jedi."
The figure took off his hood and the familiar blue alien nicknamed Thrawn was revealed. "Or rather ex-Jedi in your case, Ahsoka Tano."
"Thrawn!?" Ahsoka was shocked. Not expecting to encounter her former chess player and occasional mentor. "What are you doing here!?"
"When I heard about what happened during your trial, I knew I just had to find you as soon as possible." The Chiss stated. "Coruscant is a very dangerous place for a young lady to be wandering around aimlessly. Even for someone trained in the Force."
"A few thugs are hardly a threat compared to many Seperatists and Sith I have faced." Ahsoka stated proudly. "I can look after myself."
"You are capable, but I think we should continue our conversation in a safer location." Thrawn then looked at his data slate for some place more secure. "There is a café close buy where we can sit down and have something to eat. I imagine you are hungry after wondering around since morning. I will pay for lunch."
Ahsoka couldn't protest given the grumbling of her stomach. When she recalled that she barely had anything to eat other than a miniscule breakfast. And even though she didn't like having to own someone for something as simple as food, at least she could see what Thrawn wanted with her. It was only appropriate after threatening him with her Lightsaber.
"Very well. Lead the way."
The establishment was an old café in one of the slightly fancier parts of whatever dump Ahsoka was stuck in. She hadn't been paying much attention to her locations over the past few days. She just wanted to drift as far away from the Jedi Temple as possible.
After getting a table and ordering food, two species that never really interacted with each other for thousands of years were sitting at a booth. In a location reserved for private conversations. A rather common feature in the Slums of Coruscant where secret conversations that could change the galaxy occurred on a daily basis. Not that the Ex-Jedi believed that this was one of said conversations.
"I just got back from an assignment a few days ago when I heard about those ridiculous charges put upon you." Thrawn said. "I do commend you for being able to avoid the authorities for so long. Many would not have avoided a personal manhunt for over a day. Especially with Jedi in pursuit."
As much as Ahsoka was pleased with Thrawn's comment, that was not exactly true. "While I did managed to avoid the Jedi for a while, I actually ran into a former Sith named Ventress."
"One of the generals of the Seperatist Forces?" Thrawn inquired. "I am surprised she is around, reports said she died on Kamino. How fortunate you are still alive."
"Me too when I think about it." Ahsoka agreed. "Despite my concerns, she actually helped me avoid getting arrested and I was able to lay low until my name was cleared by my former Master." Then she narrowed her eyes a little and looked at the cup of coffee in front of her. "I still can't believe that Barriss was a traitor and she fell to the dark side. Along with all the criminal charges both my former colleagues and the Jedi were going to charge me with. The Republic was even scarier in hindsight when I learned of what officials like Tarkin were going to charge me with."
"I heard rumors that Tarkin did not like the Jedi by several reliable sources and I he was going to use you as a pawn for some political stunt." Thrawn commented. "I do not know where this bias comes from, but he would probably have demonized you in a very emotionally traumatizing way. I am surprised that you decided to leave the Jedi Order though."
"Everyone seemed to instantly think I was crazy mad women and even Anakin didn't seem to believe me. I knew he was going to turn me in, so I had to run."
"But why did you decide to leave the Order?" Thrawn probed. "They did welcome you back so easily."
"Ironically, it was Ventress who convinced me to leave." The Togruta said. "When I was stuck with her, she told me stories about the Jedi and Sith that I first found ridiculous, but they made more and more sense. She said how she once blindly followed something and suffered heavily for it and was lucky to still be alive. Dooku seemed to sacrifice her easily for convenience without any forewarning or ways to defend herself. Same as how the Jedi and Republic suddenly believed I was a dangerous woman who might have to be killed and not given any way to defend myself. Especially since several sources indicated they wanted me to be falsely charged as soon as possible. While ignoring several of their own laws and regulations that should have given me more time to prove my innocence."
"I agree that what you went though was completely illegal and unconstitutional." The Chiss sadly agreed. "After such a discovery, I am not so surprised to see that you were disgusted at being used by that. Even when you had a chance to return with full honors, a feeling of betrayal is very hard to get over. But what I am truly worried about is what you are going to do now."
"What do you mean?"
"As skilled as you are, you do not have much experience with the galaxy at large and while being a Jedi gives you certain advantages, you do not have many practical skills for work. If you are to survive, you are going to need to work without the Jedi taking care of your living expenses. For a young Togruta, you would not have many options available without good connections. Your only options are working in a restaurant for long hours and low wages, become a dancer of...less respectable canteens, or do dangerous independent work to get Credits."
Even Ahsoka knew she would need Credits, but she didn't know what to do about it. She didn't have anywhere to go and there were many places that would not accept her. Whether because of her age, lack of local connections, or even the false charge that would linger on in several people's memories. And the Clone Wars was out because non-Jedi were not allowed to participate for security reasons. When she walked away from the Jedi Order, she technically went AWOL. Not that she wanted to be anywhere that could remind her of the war she put so much effort into and was thrown away so easily.
"I have a far better alternative, Ahsoka ,that can get you out of these slums and not have you worry about money. My Employer, Lady Ciaran, could use someone of your skills in our organization. For as large as her organization is, there are many...dangerous assignments that a Jedi, or rather a former one in your case, can handle with much greater ease."
"This sounds very suspicious." The inquisitive Togruta said. "Likely illegal."
"I am disheartened you would think that is the case." Said Thrawn sadly. "But there is more than you know going on. I might as well tell you the truth about myself and what is happening in the galaxy."
Ahsoka was surprised at the Chiss's statement. He often kept to himself and cleverly avoided talking about certain questions whenever she asked. This must have been good.
"As you probably recall from ancient history, my people live in the Unknown Region. It is a very dangerous place where Hyperspace lanes are scarce and there are many threats that would make the Clone Wars look like a game younglings would make up. I came to this galaxy to find anything that could help my people survive the horrors in the Unknown Region. The sad part is that we are losing, and if we fall, the rest of the galaxy will be next. And no, this is not an exaggeration. You know I do not do that better than anyone else."
Ahsoka paled a little at the statement. Hoping that Thrawn would say that this was all a big joke, but she failed to see anything that indicated it was a punchline. Especially since humor was not one of the Chiss's defining characteristics.
"Lady Ciaran knows more about the wider galaxy and not just the Father and his two squabbling children that embody the Force. You are well aware of her Force potential since she was with you that day. It must have been a little surprising."
Ahsoka tried to avoid rolling her eyes as 'surprised' was an understatement.
"She has been interested in you, along with Masters Skywalker and Kenobi after those events. Along with her political connections, she was interested in what the three of you were doing given the significance of the event. I naturally learned about the event since I am on of her most trusted members. And from what we learned, your skills and experiences would be wasted here. For the coming darkness, we need powerful allies to fight against it, and what better than the physical embodiments of light like Jedi."
"But if this is such a big deal, why haven't you told the Jedi and Republic about this?" Ahsoka questioned. "At least warn them about this."
"Sadly, we fear that it would be counterproductive. Most are unlikely to take said warning seriously until at least one threat hits the outer rims, but by then, it would be too late. Also, there are many corrupt officials who might ignore the threat or try to take advantage of the situation for darker purposes. And we both know that the Republic and the Confederation of Independent Systems will not just end the war and unify in peace until one of them is the victor. There is too much blood and oil that has been spilt for peace talks unless a decapitating blow is struck."
As much as it annoyed her, Ahsoka couldn't fault his Logic. Which given how logical he usually was, often frustrated the Togruta.
"This is one of the main reasons why Lady Ciaran arranged the CNS in the first place. She and those who follow her like I know that the galaxy will need as many resources as possible to counteract the threats from the Unknown Region. The galaxy needs to build itself up and the Clone Wars is having the opposite effect. All this fighting is just weakening the galaxy and we need to end the war as soon as possible. Which is easier said than done. We are building to save the galaxy from many threats that both the Republic and Jedi have ignored for a long time."
Ahsoka still found the statement suspicious, but she couldn't argue against her fellow chess player of that old game.
"I will make you a special offer. I have some connections that can give you a high paying assignment that you can try out for a month and learn more about Lady Ciaran's organization. If for some reason you do not wish to fully join what I am a part of, we will give you a simple job with a good salary that you can live off of for the rest of your life. An honest job along with the training needed for a very successful career of your choosing. Will you at least give us a chance?"
Ahsoka didn't have many options in the first place. Still, working for the famed humanitarian Ciaran. Despite her...eccentricities, she was one of the most famous figures in the galaxy. It could make a very impressive reference. There were worse people she could join, much worse. With nothing better to do, maybe checking this out is not such a bad idea? At least Thrawn could be trusted. By a certain amount anyway.
"I will take you up on that offer."
The Chiss gave a very rare smile. It was almost frightening given his stoic demeanor.
"I am glad that you accepted the offer. There are many who would like to meet you. Including one that is often nicknamed 'V' for some reason. I don't know what it is with Lady Ciaran and her odd choice of nicknames."
Star Wars: The Clone Wars Season 5: Episode 109. To Recruit a Jedi
In hindsight, leaving the Jedi Order so suddenly might not have been the smartest move on her part. Sure, she no longer cared about being in the Order after everything that happened, but she did not think of the long term problems. While she still had some Credits that would last her for a little while, it was clear that her finances were going to run out sooner, rather than later. Even with living the cheapest of hotel buildings, the planet many consider the capital world of the galaxy was far from cheap. Even for people with highly paying jobs even within the Jedi Order. A realization she learned not even a week ago.
As she travelled through some of the lower and less secure levels of the planet, she could tell that someone was following her. A mysteriously cloaked figure was following her moves and was doing a very good job at hiding his (or her) presence. The cloak could have meant many things, most of which were bad. The most likely scenario was that there was an assassin or a criminal that would want to take advantage of her status as a Jedi (or rather ex-Jedi in her case).
Knowing what was going on, she lured her pursuer into an ambush. Merely walked into one of the many remote alleyways that have been abandoned for Force knows how many years. Finding a perfect position to jump at the cloaked figure with her Lightsaber activated. And once the stranger followed the bait, the trap was sprung and the Togruta restrained her new prisoner.
"Who are you!?" Ahsoka demanded loudly. "You are no mere thug or casual spy to follow me for so long."
"Very impressive," a very familiar and professional voice with glowing red eyes answered. "Not many notice me tailing them so quickly. Even among Jedi."
The figure took off his hood and the familiar blue alien nicknamed Thrawn was revealed. "Or rather ex-Jedi in your case, Ahsoka Tano."
"Thrawn!?" Ahsoka was shocked. Not expecting to encounter her former chess player and occasional mentor. "What are you doing here!?"
"When I heard about what happened during your trial, I knew I just had to find you as soon as possible." The Chiss stated. "Coruscant is a very dangerous place for a young lady to be wandering around aimlessly. Even for someone trained in the Force."
"A few thugs are hardly a threat compared to many Seperatists and Sith I have faced." Ahsoka stated proudly. "I can look after myself."
"You are capable, but I think we should continue our conversation in a safer location." Thrawn then looked at his data slate for some place more secure. "There is a café close buy where we can sit down and have something to eat. I imagine you are hungry after wondering around since morning. I will pay for lunch."
Ahsoka couldn't protest given the grumbling of her stomach. When she recalled that she barely had anything to eat other than a miniscule breakfast. And even though she didn't like having to own someone for something as simple as food, at least she could see what Thrawn wanted with her. It was only appropriate after threatening him with her Lightsaber.
"Very well. Lead the way."
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The establishment was an old café in one of the slightly fancier parts of whatever dump Ahsoka was stuck in. She hadn't been paying much attention to her locations over the past few days. She just wanted to drift as far away from the Jedi Temple as possible.
After getting a table and ordering food, two species that never really interacted with each other for thousands of years were sitting at a booth. In a location reserved for private conversations. A rather common feature in the Slums of Coruscant where secret conversations that could change the galaxy occurred on a daily basis. Not that the Ex-Jedi believed that this was one of said conversations.
"I just got back from an assignment a few days ago when I heard about those ridiculous charges put upon you." Thrawn said. "I do commend you for being able to avoid the authorities for so long. Many would not have avoided a personal manhunt for over a day. Especially with Jedi in pursuit."
As much as Ahsoka was pleased with Thrawn's comment, that was not exactly true. "While I did managed to avoid the Jedi for a while, I actually ran into a former Sith named Ventress."
"One of the generals of the Seperatist Forces?" Thrawn inquired. "I am surprised she is around, reports said she died on Kamino. How fortunate you are still alive."
"Me too when I think about it." Ahsoka agreed. "Despite my concerns, she actually helped me avoid getting arrested and I was able to lay low until my name was cleared by my former Master." Then she narrowed her eyes a little and looked at the cup of coffee in front of her. "I still can't believe that Barriss was a traitor and she fell to the dark side. Along with all the criminal charges both my former colleagues and the Jedi were going to charge me with. The Republic was even scarier in hindsight when I learned of what officials like Tarkin were going to charge me with."
"I heard rumors that Tarkin did not like the Jedi by several reliable sources and I he was going to use you as a pawn for some political stunt." Thrawn commented. "I do not know where this bias comes from, but he would probably have demonized you in a very emotionally traumatizing way. I am surprised that you decided to leave the Jedi Order though."
"Everyone seemed to instantly think I was crazy mad women and even Anakin didn't seem to believe me. I knew he was going to turn me in, so I had to run."
"But why did you decide to leave the Order?" Thrawn probed. "They did welcome you back so easily."
"Ironically, it was Ventress who convinced me to leave." The Togruta said. "When I was stuck with her, she told me stories about the Jedi and Sith that I first found ridiculous, but they made more and more sense. She said how she once blindly followed something and suffered heavily for it and was lucky to still be alive. Dooku seemed to sacrifice her easily for convenience without any forewarning or ways to defend herself. Same as how the Jedi and Republic suddenly believed I was a dangerous woman who might have to be killed and not given any way to defend myself. Especially since several sources indicated they wanted me to be falsely charged as soon as possible. While ignoring several of their own laws and regulations that should have given me more time to prove my innocence."
"I agree that what you went though was completely illegal and unconstitutional." The Chiss sadly agreed. "After such a discovery, I am not so surprised to see that you were disgusted at being used by that. Even when you had a chance to return with full honors, a feeling of betrayal is very hard to get over. But what I am truly worried about is what you are going to do now."
"What do you mean?"
"As skilled as you are, you do not have much experience with the galaxy at large and while being a Jedi gives you certain advantages, you do not have many practical skills for work. If you are to survive, you are going to need to work without the Jedi taking care of your living expenses. For a young Togruta, you would not have many options available without good connections. Your only options are working in a restaurant for long hours and low wages, become a dancer of...less respectable canteens, or do dangerous independent work to get Credits."
Even Ahsoka knew she would need Credits, but she didn't know what to do about it. She didn't have anywhere to go and there were many places that would not accept her. Whether because of her age, lack of local connections, or even the false charge that would linger on in several people's memories. And the Clone Wars was out because non-Jedi were not allowed to participate for security reasons. When she walked away from the Jedi Order, she technically went AWOL. Not that she wanted to be anywhere that could remind her of the war she put so much effort into and was thrown away so easily.
"I have a far better alternative, Ahsoka ,that can get you out of these slums and not have you worry about money. My Employer, Lady Ciaran, could use someone of your skills in our organization. For as large as her organization is, there are many...dangerous assignments that a Jedi, or rather a former one in your case, can handle with much greater ease."
"This sounds very suspicious." The inquisitive Togruta said. "Likely illegal."
"I am disheartened you would think that is the case." Said Thrawn sadly. "But there is more than you know going on. I might as well tell you the truth about myself and what is happening in the galaxy."
Ahsoka was surprised at the Chiss's statement. He often kept to himself and cleverly avoided talking about certain questions whenever she asked. This must have been good.
"As you probably recall from ancient history, my people live in the Unknown Region. It is a very dangerous place where Hyperspace lanes are scarce and there are many threats that would make the Clone Wars look like a game younglings would make up. I came to this galaxy to find anything that could help my people survive the horrors in the Unknown Region. The sad part is that we are losing, and if we fall, the rest of the galaxy will be next. And no, this is not an exaggeration. You know I do not do that better than anyone else."
Ahsoka paled a little at the statement. Hoping that Thrawn would say that this was all a big joke, but she failed to see anything that indicated it was a punchline. Especially since humor was not one of the Chiss's defining characteristics.
"Lady Ciaran knows more about the wider galaxy and not just the Father and his two squabbling children that embody the Force. You are well aware of her Force potential since she was with you that day. It must have been a little surprising."
Ahsoka tried to avoid rolling her eyes as 'surprised' was an understatement.
"She has been interested in you, along with Masters Skywalker and Kenobi after those events. Along with her political connections, she was interested in what the three of you were doing given the significance of the event. I naturally learned about the event since I am on of her most trusted members. And from what we learned, your skills and experiences would be wasted here. For the coming darkness, we need powerful allies to fight against it, and what better than the physical embodiments of light like Jedi."
"But if this is such a big deal, why haven't you told the Jedi and Republic about this?" Ahsoka questioned. "At least warn them about this."
"Sadly, we fear that it would be counterproductive. Most are unlikely to take said warning seriously until at least one threat hits the outer rims, but by then, it would be too late. Also, there are many corrupt officials who might ignore the threat or try to take advantage of the situation for darker purposes. And we both know that the Republic and the Confederation of Independent Systems will not just end the war and unify in peace until one of them is the victor. There is too much blood and oil that has been spilt for peace talks unless a decapitating blow is struck."
As much as it annoyed her, Ahsoka couldn't fault his Logic. Which given how logical he usually was, often frustrated the Togruta.
"This is one of the main reasons why Lady Ciaran arranged the CNS in the first place. She and those who follow her like I know that the galaxy will need as many resources as possible to counteract the threats from the Unknown Region. The galaxy needs to build itself up and the Clone Wars is having the opposite effect. All this fighting is just weakening the galaxy and we need to end the war as soon as possible. Which is easier said than done. We are building to save the galaxy from many threats that both the Republic and Jedi have ignored for a long time."
Ahsoka still found the statement suspicious, but she couldn't argue against her fellow chess player of that old game.
"I will make you a special offer. I have some connections that can give you a high paying assignment that you can try out for a month and learn more about Lady Ciaran's organization. If for some reason you do not wish to fully join what I am a part of, we will give you a simple job with a good salary that you can live off of for the rest of your life. An honest job along with the training needed for a very successful career of your choosing. Will you at least give us a chance?"
Ahsoka didn't have many options in the first place. Still, working for the famed humanitarian Ciaran. Despite her...eccentricities, she was one of the most famous figures in the galaxy. It could make a very impressive reference. There were worse people she could join, much worse. With nothing better to do, maybe checking this out is not such a bad idea? At least Thrawn could be trusted. By a certain amount anyway.
"I will take you up on that offer."
The Chiss gave a very rare smile. It was almost frightening given his stoic demeanor.
"I am glad that you accepted the offer. There are many who would like to meet you. Including one that is often nicknamed 'V' for some reason. I don't know what it is with Lady Ciaran and her odd choice of nicknames."
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Do you think he would want to be called the full word given what happened? This was a compromise.
I'm not complaining here, just stating my thoughts on the matter, Although I could see 'V' delivering a speech like V if only for shits and giggles.
You know we could just use Ventress' first name. I doubt that, outside the Abyss Watchers, that the number of people knows her as Assajj goes above the single digits.
Edit: oh didn't realise it was our resident lore buff. Well Thrawn didn't break his word when he said that the Abyss Watchers had, 'no living Sith Lords'.
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UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
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- She/Her
Me too.
Honestly, Vectivus would make more sense given that she has already met Ventress before, Vectivus is the only other person in our organization that we know of has a name that begins with a V, and the fact that he became a sith out of curiosity. Also since Ahsoka has met Ventress there is no use in giving her a code name.
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Ah, but she didn't know Ventress was part of our organisation.
Can you explain to me how this adds on to your argument that V could had been refering to Ventress?
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Basically, since Ahsoka had already met and talked to Ventress, but didn't know she was part of Ciaran's organisation, someone in the organisation called V being specifically mentioned as wanting to meet her seemed to me like Thrawn was hinting at Ventress being part of the group.
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You know, seeing as the home rests upon a nexus of the dark side of the force, it is likely that she would be able to sense said energies, maybe giving her flashbacks to when she was under the Son's control.
(Omake) Briefing The Boss - Force Orders Pt. 1 (Canon)
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Briefing the boss Force Orders Pt 1
"And the Cuthinor's repairs continue on schedule. We'll have it back into shape soon."
"Thank you Seiner."
The CEO smiles "Not a problem lady Ciarian."
As the holo call winked out Ciaran turns to PR-1 and says "So what's next on the list?"
"Your next three hours are for another briefing."
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
PR-1 audibly sniffs in disdain. "Stop being over dramatic."
Ciaran pouts "But learning about planets is so boorring."
"You will not be learning about planets today."
"But you-"
"I said you would be briefed, I did not say that it would be about more planets. Its about the myriad force orders in the galaxy, and I won't be the one delivering the briefing."
Darth Vectivus walks through the door "I will. If your plan for this council of grey is to succeed, you must know the history, talents, grudges and goals of each order you invite. This will serve as a preliminary overview of each order. I intend to have a more thorough briefing of each order individually later."
Ciaran slumps "Joy. At least its not planets. Alright, hit me."
Vectivus nods "Very well. The most important order is likely to be the Jal Shey."
Ciaran blinks in surprise "Really? I would assume that the Green Jedi would be more important. Why?"
Vectivus continues "In a word, politics. The Jal Shey are old, possibly as old as the Jedi and the Sith. In that time they've continuously studied the force. Its from a more clinical and academic perspective than I prefer, but they are questioning their assumptions and striving to improve in a way that many orders simply aren't. Additionally, they've developed a potent way of imbuing the force into armors to increase their potency."
"So an order of nerds and professors?"
"Yes, although you should not underestimate them in combat. But more importantly from our perspective, they are talented diplomats in addition to being non-expansionist."
Ciaran cocks her head "But how does that make them the most important force order besides the Jedi or Sith?"
"Whenever two force orders get into a dispute they usually call the Jal Shey to mediate because they have a long history of being a respected neutral party in such disputes. Plus, unlike the Jedi their proposed solution to such disputes isn't to absorb both orders."
"Do the Jedi really do such things?"
Vectivus shrugs "They prefer to absorb and assimilate other orders when they can, usually peacefully but they occasionally exert pressure. Naturally this hardly endears them to other orders. The Jal Shey in contrast have a history of helping other orders with problems such as how they helped the Order of Sasha with Sith Cultists early in their history."
Ciaran narrows her eyes "So everyone respects them and owes them a favor? Could be a problem."
He nods "Yes, their support would be invaluable for getting a summit organized, but they'd be the default compromise candidate for leadership if an actual structure comes out of it."
"I see. What about the other orders?"
Vectivus nods, shuffling his notes, somehow "Since you asked about them, the Green Jedi are simply the latest manifestation of an old Jedi problem, the conflict between the conservative reactionary leadership emanating from Coruscant, and the more dynamic Jedi of the periphery. The Corellian Academy has long been the natural leaders of the more liberal Jedi due to their large population and independent resource base. During the New Sith Wars the periphery Jedi were, like usual, the first to notice the threat, the first to fight and suffered massive casualties to death a desertion before the Coruscant or Temple Jedi overcame their traditional inertia and intervened. This is a fairly common historical occurrence and usually would have led to a brief remission of the periphery until they recovered. This time however, the final battle of Rusan resulted in the complete destruction of both sides, including nearly the entire leadership of the periphery, the Jedi Lords. In the aftermath the Temple Jedi decided that the Jedi had too much temporal power and reforms were needed."
"Really?"
Vectivus "In fairness, at this point the Republic was getting dangerously close to a theocracy with multiple consecutive Jedi Supreme Chancellors so they were probably right. However, this reform included the mass appropriation of Jedi assets by the state, including everything the Temple's devastated opponents needed to rebuild themselves. In the Temples eyes, this was a prudent centralization of a downsized Jedi order to prevent the reemergence of the Sith. In the Green's eyes it was a massive stab in the back and a political purge, and they said so. Publicly. In fact, the entire Corellian Sector succeeded from the Republic rather than seize their Jedi's assets and disband them."
Ciaran nods "So that's why the Corellian sector has a special treaty."
Vectivus nods "Yes. Its old history today, but the Greens remember the reasons for the split a lot better than the Temple does. And they have no desire to conform to the Temple's other reforms like their banning of marriage."
Ciaran grins "Wait, the Green's allow marriage?"
"They encourage it actually. They think it keeps people grounded. They also tend to disagree with the main order's informal practice of censoring the existence and tenants of other force orders. And philosophical conflicts in general really."
Ciaran grin evilly "Of course, I'd imagine that they'd much prefer all the horny teenagers in the Jedi temple know that its possible to become 'attached' and be a Jedi."
"Quite."
"Oh, I can use this. Do you think they'd be interested in a summit?"
"Yes. If only to serve as a counterweight to the Jedi Temple, though they'd likely expect to be first among equals due to their size and resources. And because they're Jedi."
"Of Course. Who's next?"
"The Janissari are an interesting organization. Originally they were a fairly common story as things go. A few Jedi found some Sith artifacts that presented a nice sounding story while gradually corrupting them. They believed the story and started founding a cult, soon enough falling to the dark side. However the Jedi found them and killed them after they had told the story about the evil Jedi but before they could corrupt their students with actual Sith Doctrine. The Jedi wrecked the actual artifacts and left, assuming their job was done."
Ciaran grins "So what, they're a bunch of Sith Cultists who don't realize that they're supposed to kick puppies?"
Vectivus sighs "Essentially yes. Furthermore, this happened after the start of the Clone Wars. Their leadership is young, new to their job, incompletely trained and worried that the evil Jedi will come back and kill them all. Frankly, the longer you leave them alone the greate a chance someone like Palpatine will stumble upon them and corrupt them with actual Sith lore. Or they'll"
"So I high priority?"
"The highest. Its the only order that I see as obviously time critical. The longer you wait, the harder they will be to absorb."
Ciaran frowns "Do they actually have any talent of note?"
Vectivus frowns "They have an interesting armor design that has the potential to be quite potent when combined with Jal Shey enhancement and some telekinetic tricks. But they also have the basic Jedi curriculum, and the Jedi are by far the most prominent force order in the Galaxy for a reason."
Ciaran raises her eyebrow "Why is that? I'm interested to hear your theory."
"Because, despite how dogmatic their views on the force are, they've developed a training program and philosophy that works. They can reliably turn children into capable warriors that will usually defeat their counterparts in other orders while being a competent diplomat to help gain political support. Additionally, just because they are famous for producing the iconic rounded Jedi doesn't mean that they can't produce specialists. The average Tyia Adept is certainly a better healer than the average Jedi, but they probably aren't better than the average Jedi Healer." Vectivus shakes his head "The Jedi Sentinels are hardly the only group in the Jedi with specialized training."
"I see."
Vectivus nods "Good. Just remember that there is an opportunity cost to learning new techniques. Don't try to shove every neat trick into the main curriculum. If you need a specialist, create a curriculum for them."
Ciaran nods "Good advice, but I think we're getting off topic."
"True. The next group are the Witches of Dathomir, who are currently in a state of flux."
Ciaran raises her eyebrow "How so?"
"Traditionally, they were basically incompetent. They had no access to modern technology and less understanding of the force. The fools explained everything they did with their ignorant superstition, believing that words were actually needed for even the simplest of actions with the Force, such as moving rocks. Frankly the only noteworthy thing about them was that they were misandrist for whatever reason."
Ciaran cocks her head "So what happened?"
"Talzin happened. Well, Talzin and Sideous really. Talzin is naturally talented, talented enough to realize some of her forbearers mistakes. Then Sideous came along and though I doubt she'll admit it to you I'm certain he tempted her with some knowledge of Sith Alchemy and Sorcery. Combined she is certainly the most powerful of her ilk in at least the last 1000 years. Naturally some of this has trickled down to her Nightsister followers, and helps explain their reverence of her. She's revolutionary."
"Then how come she doesn't rule the planet? I know she has rivals and I can't see her letting them live if she doesn't have to."
"The other clans despise her. Though their theoretical knowledge is atrocious, they know enough to recognize dark side corruption when they see it. She was actually exiled from her traditional clan as a "nightsister" to repent. She leads a clan of exiles and only the united opposition of her foes stays her hand. For now."
"You don't trust her."
Vectivus snorts "She's a talented, manipulative woman with a bastardized knowledge of Sith Alchemy. Of course I don't trust her."
Ciaran frowns "Lovely. What's next?"
"Well..."
A/N: And thus ends part one of Briefing the boss, Force Order's edition. @Panory I feel your pain. Same with you @Publicola.
Now, this omake is a mix of various "cannon" materials, my extrapolation from the same because some of these orders are two or three paragraphs of fluff and a prestige class *cough* Jal Shey *cough* and trying to reconcile completely contradictory information, such as how Dathomir witches were originally incompetent backwards hicks who were doing it wrong and had never left their planet before being added in everywhere and eventually turned into a much more competent organization under Talzin. Since we are apparently using elements of both Talzin is now a revolutionary genius, if one with dangerously patchy theoretical knowledge.
Next time I'll do the following:
1. The Blackguard: These guys are going to be interesting.
2. The Ember of Vahl: They are now evil religious firebenders. So not much has changed really.
3. The Order of Sasha: They now have some neat tricks for dealing with heavy depth pressure and the like.
4. The Luka Senen: I'll go a bit more into their structure.
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