May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)

[Andres]

First of all, I was questioning why there were so many non-standard lightsabers among our force users, not why there were non-standard ones at all. To my understanding, kyber crystals aren't the only crystals, just by far the most common, with crystals of other colours being much rarer. I then found it difficult to understand how they could've acquired so many supposedly rare crystals that they could mass produce them.

Silver blades mean that they're neither Jedi nor Sith. Ahsoka in Star Wars Rebels uses the same colors for that reason.

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Ahsoka used white, not silver, and the colour wasn't a choice as I think you seem to be implying.

Mace Windu's Purple lightsaber which couldn't exist in the New Canon..

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Colours of other colours besides the standard ones could exist, they were just rare. There's a difference between 'exception to the rule' and 'plot hole'.

The Old Canon was far smarter about it, with Red lightsabers being the result of synthetic crystals.

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That was hardly smarter. Red lightsabers being synthetic is a worse idea than red lightsabers being the result of domination. It doesn't match the philosophy and style of the Sith as much. The core idea of making a crystal is decidedly rather Force-neutral, rather than affirmatively Dark Side.

Another plot hole is why anakin's sabre was still blue

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You keep bringing this up, it keeps getting explained why, and yet you keep continuing to ignore the explanation. I'd kindly ask you to stop calling it a plot hole when it's only your own unwillingness to learn that makes you think it's one.

 

[Darrenb209]

Huh. Not sure where I got silver from, then. Urge to have a non-Jedi, non-Sith color scheme, maybe?

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Ciaran's lightsaber is blue-green, but aside from that pretty much.

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It's because the Mantle of the Force adds what is specificaly described as a "Silver-Cyan" colour to your lightsaber in the game it's in.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

That was hardly smarter. Red lightsabers being synthetic is a worse idea than red lightsabers being the result of domination. It doesn't match the philosophy and style of the Sith as much. The core idea of making a crystal is decidedly rather Force-neutral, rather than affirmatively Dark Side.

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Not really, making something for war rather than as a means of meditation and self defence is more sithy, as is making something artifically rather than taking something from nature.

You keep bringing this up, it keeps getting explained why, and yet you keep continuing to ignore the explanation. I'd kindly ask you to stop calling it a plot hole when it's only your own unwillingness to learn that makes you think it is.

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I haven't asked it and I haven't brought it up.

If someone else has please enlighten me, but I would appreciate if you didn't at least mix me up with other people, if you please.

I was questioning why there were so many non-standard lightsabers among our force users, not why there were non-standard ones at all. To my understanding, kyber crystals aren't the only crystals, just by far the most common, with crystals of other colours being much rarer. I then found it difficult to understand how they could've acquired so many supposedly rare crystals that they could mass produce them.

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Simple, Jedi have access to the Ilum caves which are the only real source of their crystals that tend towards blue and green save the Jedha temple neither of which we can access.

We don't have that we have Dantooine which is a riot of colour and all of the other worlds we can easily access, so more non standard crystals.

We also have the artificial crystals which we can colour.

We've also only got these guys who need silver.

18 Abyss Apprentices (Tier 1) + 2-5 per turn, 25% chance to tier up per turn
11 Abyss Agents (Tier 2), 5% chance to tier up per turn

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Presumably once we get more agents we can recycle their silver crystals if you want.

 

[Darrenb209]

First of all, I was questioning why there were so many non-standard lightsabers among our force users, not why there were non-standard ones at all. To my understanding, kyber crystals aren't the only crystals, just by far the most common, with crystals of other colours being much rarer. I then found it difficult to understand how they could've acquired so many supposedly rare crystals that they could mass produce them.


Colours of other colours besides the standard ones could exist, they were just rare. There's a difference between 'exception to the rule' and 'plot hole'.


That was hardly smarter. Red lightsabers being synthetic is a worse idea than red lightsabers being the result of domination. It doesn't match the philosophy and style of the Sith as much. The core idea of making a crystal is decidedly rather Force-neutral, rather than affirmatively Dark Side.

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Sorry, but current canon outright specifies that only Kyber crystals can be used in Lightsabers. It's why it's so stupid, as it renders both the canon Darksaber and Mace Windu's Lightsaber impossible.

And Red being Synthetic is because the Rule of Two Sith couldn't afford to go to caves to get naturally occuring Red Crystals, so they had to use synthetics. Which luckily enough, always ended up Red.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

canon Darksaber

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Well to be fair the Darksaber doesn't conform to many Lightsaber anythings.

And Red being Synthetic is because the Rule of Two Sith couldn't afford to go to caves to get naturally occuring Red Crystals, so they had to use synthetics. Which luckily enough, always ended up Red.

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No no, Synthetic crystals can be different colours the Sith know how to change them to pretty much any colour, though they usually don't cause ya know sith.

Still it is more sithy in its way, making something artificially for war, rather than as a means of self defence/meditation and from nature.

That's not to say that Jedi can't make Synthetic crystals, Luke's was synthetic due to not being able to access any of the caves and not being able to reach or lacking knowledge of other areas so made his in a small blast furnace at least in EU.

@Dr. Snark is our Lightsaber made in the style of the Darksaber?

(so does it's blade look like it save for a different colour scheme and a curbed hilt?)

 

[Skywalker_T-65]

In the old canon, at least, Luke's green crystal was synthetic too. For example.

 

[Darrenb209]

Well to be fair the Darksaber doesn't conform to many Lightsaber anythings.


No no, Synthetic crystals can be different colours the Sith know how to change them to pretty much any colour, though they usually don't cause ya know sith.

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Well yes, but the natural result unless you used the force to change it while it was forming was that it'd end up Red. Which is what I meant.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Well yes, but the natural result unless you used the force to change it while it was forming was that it'd end up Red. Which is what I meant.

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Yeah, Luke's for instance was synthetic.

Damn technically ninja'd

 

[Andres]

I haven't asked it and I haven't brought it up.

If someone else has please enlighten me, but I would appreciate if you didn't at least mix me up with other people, if you please.

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Crystals are not mirrors. They do not change colour simply from the alignment of those who hold them. Changing their colour is a deliberate effort which requires concentration and intent as you purposefully infuse them with the energy you want. When younglings first get their crystals, the crystals are fairly colourless and translucent, and it's only when they sit down and focus on imbuing the crystals with energy do they gain a colour.

The reason why Anakin's colour remained blue is because he never sat down and focused on turning the colour of his crystal red. It's a manual change, not an automatic one.

Sorry, but current canon outright specifies that only Kyber crystals can be used in Lightsabers. It's why it's so stupid, as it renders both the canon Darksaber and Mace Windu's Lightsaber impossible.

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Again, exception, not plot hole. Ahsoka's sabers in the cartoon were white, but by your logic that would be a plot hole despite it merely being a mystery. It seems to me the difference between a mystery and a plot hole in your book is that if you don't know the answer to a mystery, it's a plot hole.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Crystals are not mirrors. They do not change colour simply from the alignment of those who hold them. Changing their colour is a deliberate effort which requires concentration and intent as you purposefully infuse them with the energy you want. When younglings first get their crystals, the crystals are fairly colourless and translucent, and it's only when they sit down and focus on imbuing the crystals with energy do they gain a colour.

The reason why Anakin's colour remained blue is because he never sat down and focused on turning the colour of his crystal red. It's a manual change, not an automatic one.

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I thought it was a corruptible one, so him using the Darkside would have changed it by proximity...

Ah well no matter its a good enough explanation in canon and the EU explanation works well enough for me.

Again, exception, not plot hole. Ahsoka's sabers in the cartoon were white, but by your logic that would be a plot hole despite it merely being a mystery. It seems to me the difference between a mystery and a plot hole in your book is that if you don't know the answer to a mystery, it's a plot hole.

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Well in that we were given a reason one which I am fine with (corrupted Kyber uncorrputed and used as her crystals.)

Windu's is irritating to me because there's no explanation, Ahsoka's have a reason, but here nope he's got purple because *ERROR NOT FOUND*

It could be because of his Vaapad, or maybe because purple is the real Jedi colour?

 

[Trollbird]

Out of curiosity.....has there ever been a lightsaber bayonet?

Like attaching a saber to the end of a blaster?

 

[Wilgar]

I actually came in here to point out that Luke's lightsaber had a synth crystal, but it seems to have been covered, so instead I will point out that Jaina Solo also makes a synth crystal.

 

[dredloki]

I thought it was a corruptible one, so him using the Darkside would have changed it by proximity...

Ah well no matter its a good enough explanation in canon and the EU explanation works well enough for me.



Well in that we were given a reason one which I am fine with (corrupted Kyber uncorrputed and used as her crystals.)

Windu's is irritating to me because there's no explanation, Ahsoka's have a reason, but here nope he's got purple because *ERROR NOT FOUND*

It could be because of his Vaapad, or maybe because purple is the real Jedi colour?

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im sorry man but that IS a plot hole.

 

[Andres]

I thought it was a corruptible one, so him using the Darkside would have changed it by proximity...

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Nah, proximity corruption isn't a thing with lightsabers, at least when it comes to changing colours. The lightsaber in that giant Sith temple in Rebels, for example, was still yellow to give another example. Changing a lightsaber's colour is a deliberate, focused effort.

 

[Skywalker_T-65]

I like Windu's Hurrikane (or however it's spelled) myself. Unique and interesting.

Mind you, I don't like ALL KYBER ALL THE TIME. Boring.

 

[Barondoctor]

Out of curiosity.....has there ever been a lightsaber bayonet?

Like attaching a saber to the end of a blaster?

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The option exists in the SAGA roleplaying game.

 

[ThoughtMaster]

The latter. The former is just a touch too implausible (sadly).

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Really? I would think that applying force push to the trail after they are formed would provide the propulsion that is needed to cause the trail to move outwards from where it was formed.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Nah, proximity corruption isn't a thing with lightsabers, at least when it comes to changing colours. The lightsaber in that giant Sith temple in Rebels, for example, was still yellow to give another example. Changing a lightsaber's colour is a deliberate, focused effort.

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Oh god, I can't remember that well...

Is this on Malachor?

I can't remember a lightsaber on malachor.

Still I suppose that makes sense Canon tells us that the Crystal is made to bleed, so I suppose that it would require constant effort.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Jaina's lightsaber crystal was synthetic.

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He knows, naturally without alterations they end up as red.

Jania and Luke exposed their synthetic crystals to their force signatures during the forging process changing them.

 

[Andres]

I can't remember a lightsaber on malachor.

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It was a yellow lightsaber with a crossguard. When Ezra ignited it it briefly flickered to life then died out.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

It was a yellow lightsaber with a crossguard. When Ezra ignited it it briefly flickered to life then died out.

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Oh with all the corpses.

Though I do wonder why the cross guard?

Reference or maybe cracked crystals were more common among the Jedi and Sith 1000 years ago.

 

[adaer]

The latter. The former is just a touch too implausible (sadly).

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Well that sounds like an absurdly useful thing when fighting defensively. She makes energy shields with every swing. Hell, if they last long enough you can box people in or push them back into walls of plasma. Great for a tricky, technical fighting style, so it fits Ciaran wonderfully.

 

[Stroth]

so it fit Ciaran wonderfully.

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That's rather the point of the Mantle of the Force, yes.

 

[adaer]

That's rather the point of the Mantle of the Force, yes.

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I mean that the effect fits better as stationary walls of plasma than as ranged energy slashes. If we need to hit at range, we use a blaster.

 

[Darrenb209]

Again, exception, not plot hole. Ahsoka's sabers in the cartoon were white, but by your logic that would be a plot hole despite it merely being a mystery. It seems to me the difference between a mystery and a plot hole in your book is that if you don't know the answer to a mystery, it's a plot hole.

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The difference between a plot hole and a mystery is that a mystery is not the result of two contradictory canon things, a plot hole is.

The Kyber crystal being the only type of crystals, with synthetics being synthetic Kybers of the current canon outright means that several lightsaber types that are more canon than Kyber are plotholed in that they exist, but the current canon tells us they can't exist, which tells us that the current canon is wrong, but because it's canon it can't be wrong.

That's what a plot hole is. It's when you have blatant exceptions to your rules and no explanation so you get paradoxical existences that both clearly exist and we are told can't exist at the same time.

It becomes a mystery if they can find something to fit in the plot holes empty space.