Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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Oh I know that, my main question was has it happened yet?
If we do do anything to it I'd be because I hoped it'd have some synergy with Grevious's hunt action.
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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
- Thread starter Dr. Snark
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If we do do anything to it I'd be because I hoped it'd have some synergy with Grevious's hunt action.
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remember that the beast only went on a rampage after it saw Sidious aka someone steep in the darkside.
Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
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- Right where I want to be
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I've jostled around canon events quite a bit but that happened way too early for me to justify bringing that up now.
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- Australia
It also would've been a big event, enough for Ciaran to have heard about it. Can we try to steal its corpse? A one-of-a-kind creature like that would fetch a very high price on its own, but its hard plating would make it exceptionally valuable as well. Whoever can figure out how to replicate it would have indestructible starships. The Republic would pay a lot of money to get back their beast so they can continue their cloning experiments, and the Separatists might also pay for the same, or at least to keep it out of the Republic's hands.
In all cases, there's a lot of money to be made. If we can't sell it to one of the warring factions for an obscene amount of credits, then we can at least sell it to a super rich individual as a curiosity for a merely very large amount of credits. One of the Hutts might be interested, for instance.
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well we can't forget that Palpatine ordered the Zillo beast to be cloned after the first one died.
I just realized something.
Is this gonna be apart of Canon now or semi-Canon?
Edit: Do we have any idea on what Dooku plans on doing? We bugged his communications and are tracking his moves before right?
Is this gonna be apart of Canon now or semi-Canon?
Edit: Do we have any idea on what Dooku plans on doing? We bugged his communications and are tracking his moves before right?
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- Australia
He's a scoundrel, so he's probably Corellian.
That's racist.
Darrenb209
"Who are you, who do not know your history?"
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The problem with the Zillo beast is that it while it was essentially immune to low grade explosives, blasters and lightsabers and is called indestructible, we never see any real evidence that it could hold up to warship grade weapons.
There is technical evidence that they are not, in that the Zillo beast is the last of it's kind. And if they had poisoned the planet to kill it, the last would have died as well. So either great hunters or extensive orbital bombardment was used against them.
Even then however, it would make for great tank armour. And fighter armour too, most likely.
...have you SEEN some of the critters of Star Wars? I really REALLY would not be surprised if some idiot wound up importing something that killed off the Zillo Beasts.
I have read descriptions and seens pictures of Star Wars critters. But I have never seen one. And since I have no evidence to the contrary, I have no reason to suspect they might be more than products of imagination.
And rule <insert random number here> of Star Wars is: There is always a bigger fish (or monster, or starship, or superweapon, or threat to the galaxy as we know it...). So it's hard to get excited about the shiny superlative thing of the week when it's likely to be hilariously outmatched next week.
Well, after four days of binge reading, I've finally caught up with this quest. And what a journey it has been... This is a really, really entertaining and well-written quest, I love everything about. Both @Teron and @Dr. Snark have done a great job with it.
Now that I've caught up, I can finally take part in the discussion. I'll come back to it tomorrow if I have time, I have to sleep now. But I'd still like to say a couple of things that have been bothering me while I read to this point.
I really, really think we should tell someone on the Jedi Council about Palpantine being Sidious. I do understand our reasons for not telling the Order, but I don't think we are giving the Jedi enough credit. Sure, the Council and the Order are deeply flawed, but they aren't all complete idiots. I am sure we could find one Jedi Master who is subtle enough to not go in guns blazing as soon as we tell them, but who can understand that this matter requires a more delicate touch. Even if they don't outright believe us they will have to take this seriouosly and will be more suspicious of Palpantine. The main reason I think we should tell someone on the Council is at we can, and should, use the Jedi when the final battle against Sidious comes. We can't hope to beat him alone in personal combat, and even with the Abyss Watchers it will be very, very hard. But Mace Windu arguably beat him in canon, and he will lose to Windu, Anakin and Yoda. So when the finak battle comes, we should have the Jedi fighting by our side.
My suggestion is therefore that we work to get our information about order 66 and us to one of the more level-headed Jedi, I think we should tell Obi-Wan. Preferably, we should give him this info in a way that is impossible to trace back to us, but this might be very hard, especially since we would also need to ensure that he doesn't do anything rash with the information.
I also think we should tell Anakin at some point, but this will require an even more careful approach since he is hot-headed. The thing is, if Mace Windu really beat Sidious in canon (Palpantine wasn't feigning weakness) then Anakin turning is the only reason Sidious plan worked. Even if he was faking it to turn Anakin, he still needs and wants the Chosen One on his side. We really, really need to make sure Palpantine can't turn Anakin like in canon. If he knows or even suspects that Palpantine is the Sith Lord behind everything he will be far more resistant to Palpantine's bullshit.
Now that I've caught up, I can finally take part in the discussion. I'll come back to it tomorrow if I have time, I have to sleep now. But I'd still like to say a couple of things that have been bothering me while I read to this point.
I really, really think we should tell someone on the Jedi Council about Palpantine being Sidious. I do understand our reasons for not telling the Order, but I don't think we are giving the Jedi enough credit. Sure, the Council and the Order are deeply flawed, but they aren't all complete idiots. I am sure we could find one Jedi Master who is subtle enough to not go in guns blazing as soon as we tell them, but who can understand that this matter requires a more delicate touch. Even if they don't outright believe us they will have to take this seriouosly and will be more suspicious of Palpantine. The main reason I think we should tell someone on the Council is at we can, and should, use the Jedi when the final battle against Sidious comes. We can't hope to beat him alone in personal combat, and even with the Abyss Watchers it will be very, very hard. But Mace Windu arguably beat him in canon, and he will lose to Windu, Anakin and Yoda. So when the finak battle comes, we should have the Jedi fighting by our side.
My suggestion is therefore that we work to get our information about order 66 and us to one of the more level-headed Jedi, I think we should tell Obi-Wan. Preferably, we should give him this info in a way that is impossible to trace back to us, but this might be very hard, especially since we would also need to ensure that he doesn't do anything rash with the information.
I also think we should tell Anakin at some point, but this will require an even more careful approach since he is hot-headed. The thing is, if Mace Windu really beat Sidious in canon (Palpantine wasn't feigning weakness) then Anakin turning is the only reason Sidious plan worked. Even if he was faking it to turn Anakin, he still needs and wants the Chosen One on his side. We really, really need to make sure Palpantine can't turn Anakin like in canon. If he knows or even suspects that Palpantine is the Sith Lord behind everything he will be far more resistant to Palpantine's bullshit.
Darrenb209
"Who are you, who do not know your history?"
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The problem is that Palpatine is a master manipulator with even more resources than we have who is great at reading people.
If we want any Jedi help, we have to tell someone on the Council.
If we tell someone on the council, they will come into contact with Palpatine.
The Jedi, for all that they are supposed to be about suppressing emotions rarely seem to be able to suppress reactions. Palpatine would be able to tell if most if not all of them were acting differently, even if not consciously.
It's essentially getting a few Jedi at the cost of flipping a coin in the air as to whether we draw Palpatine's full attention, leading to us being wiped out rapidly.
Risk/Reward suggests that it's not worth alerting them until we are ready to go loud, the Jedi won't be any more or less prepared then, we can still gain them, but we don't run the risk of a bad end.
This is a very good point, and one thing that worries me too. This is why I am very much suggesting that we only tell a Jedi who we know can be subtly, and isn't easy to read. And if everything goes g to plan, we tell the Jedi in a way that can't be tracked back to us, we leave clues and let them figure it out themself. The thing is, if I don't remember wrong, at the time of the Revenge of the Sith Obi-Wan was already suspicious about the Chancellor.
I do think the risk is worth it, since we know the Jedi can beat Sidious in combat. Having them on our side would cause our chances to skyrocket, allowing us to move much sooner.
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Barondoctor
The things I chase come to me.
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- The other side of the mirror
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As I recall, we're a risk-averse crowd here. We're also waiting to have more or less Force-Bonded Anakin to ourselves so the risk of him turning to Palpa-Team is approximately zero. We're also somewhat distrusted by certain segments of the Jedi.
I also recall us being considerably "we solve problems in-house rather than outsourcing to the Jedi."
I also recall us being considerably "we solve problems in-house rather than outsourcing to the Jedi."
I have noticed this too, and I think it is a problem. We need the Jedi to get rid of Sidious. We are a manipulator, we shouldn't try to do everything ourself but instead manipulate the Jedi to take out Palpantine for us, when the time comes.
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We're idiots if we don't recruit Jedi for the final fight, which is why we really do need to make sure Order 66 is squared away in case Palpatine triggers the boss fight before we do. We're also idiots if we tell the Jedi before we're actually ready to act, because they will not be patient about it.
I'm fine with trusting to Jedi to off Palpy themselves once damning evidence is...'found', but we really can't trust them with eliminating backup plans, traps, and super weapons. I'm not even sure I really trust them defusing the war. They're too pants at politics and intrigue, so we've got to do more than simply point out the obvious.
Ideally we can defuse all the time bombs and booby-traps undetected, and then arrange for a natural way for Palpy to be exposed to the Galaxy. Then the Jedi and GAR send in as many kill teams as it takes, and there's no bullshit about the Jedi not telling the Senate and getting painted as traitors by old prune-face.
The fewer awkward questions we have to answer, the better.
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Dr. Snark said that Ciaran has to fight him head-on personally, so just having kill teams sent against him won't work.
Darrenb209
"Who are you, who do not know your history?"
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That just means we send in the Kill teams either first, and we kill him "head on" by shooting him in the face as he lies there, bleeding out.
Or if Snark actually wants us to take part in the fight, we go in with the kill teams, hang back and finish him. By being us. Opportunistic. Hitting him hard with the abilities he doesn't know we have when he is busy defending from everyone else.
I have to admit though it's about the only thing I disagree with Snark on about the way this quest is. It's just not really us to go into a fight like that head on unless we've already altered the odds significantly in our favour.
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If we were really "being us" we wouldn't be in the same room as Sidious when the fighting starts unless there was no possible way to beat him unless we were there. Since Ciaran is acting unlike herself when it comes to strategy, I don't think it's wise to assume she'd act tactically like herself either.
EDIT: Even outside of what Ciaran would choose to do, it must also be taken into account that this is Sidious. Anyone who is not a top-tier Force-using hero is fodder. He took down three Jedi Masters within just a few seconds, and they were prepared with their lightsabers drawn and everything. Any fight with him is going to devolve into a traditional lightsaber duel (maybe with surprise holdout blaster mixed in) very quickly, stopping Ciaran from adopting her unorthodox, opportunistic fighting style even assuming she'd choose to use it.
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Darrenb209
"Who are you, who do not know your history?"
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There's always throwing enough bodies at him to exhaust him.
Orbital bombardment too, but if we're using that on Coruscant, we have bigger issues than just Sidious in the first place.
Like the entire Galaxy wanting us dead.
Orbital bombardment too, but if we're using that on Coruscant, we have bigger issues than just Sidious in the first place.
Like the entire Galaxy wanting us dead.
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This won't work. If throwing bodies at him works at all, then there's no reason to not just keep throwing bodies at him until he dies (something that we can do thanks to the Foundry). Since that doesn't make for a sufficiently dramatic final fight, throwing bodies at him would be completely ineffective in order to force a more traditional final fight in.
Darrenb209
"Who are you, who do not know your history?"
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You don't see the drama in throwing our allies/subordinates at our enemy, drowning him in a sea of corpses, standing and watching and regretting what we did?
Then when he's dying, he congratulates us for being a worse person/better Sith than he is. While our fight was broadcast at least planetwide.
I'd find it extremely dramatic, but also extremely OOC for how we are now.
Then when he's dying, he congratulates us for being a worse person/better Sith than he is. While our fight was broadcast at least planetwide.
I'd find it extremely dramatic, but also extremely OOC for how we are now.
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