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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)

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Ciaran is definitely a bad person (Or at least more gray than most), but that doesn't mean she uses the Dark Side all that much.

The Dark Side is a very specific thing in the Star Wars universe; it's not just a catch-all term for bad people who use the Force. As I understand it, barring when she killed Wesker (Which was potentially problematic, but understandable) she's always used the Force responsibly.
 
Dr. Snark said:
"Clarification: Master, they may object to your version of archaeology."
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Jedi Archaeologist: It's a Sith Holocron, it needs to be destroyed!

Ciaran: IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM! My museum, specifically.
dredloki said:
here imagine this, a sand storm, ciaran in the middle, exept the sand is lasers
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Coarse, rough, and it murders everything.
Barondoctor said:
History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.
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Kyr'am said:
To placate @Panory?
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Well you're not wrong.
 
So since I was under the impression that Ciaran's use of physical Shatterpoints on objects would, y'know, end up shattering them, imagine my surprise when I found out she instead breaks objects down into fucking dust with her power.
Dr. Snark said:
"Figured as much, but I wanted a second opinion," Ciaran replied. "Alright then, I suggest you stand back. HK, keep an eye out while I'm doing this," she said as she moved towards the doorway. Focusing her Force vision Ciaran began to push the Force through the weaknesses in the rubble, quickly reducing the individual pieces to dust before moving on. She fell into a trance state as she shattered more and more of the rubble blocking the entrance before nothing was left but a pile of dust, making the ancient temple accessible once more.
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So, guys about that organic Shatterpoint ability...

 
Aramis said:
Don't most force-users already have that? Remember that we aren't necessarily that great at Matukai since a lot of what the crit did was spread it amongst our disciples. We just happen to be stronger that almost anybody would expect, not stronger than any Jedi or Sith in our way.
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The Maktukai reinforcement is actually better than the Jedi version as well.

Unfortunately Dooku knows that as his master got his ass kicked in a fist fight with one.

VillaininGlasses said:
That's not falling to the darkside it's just being the bad guy we've been the bad guy since the start.
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Eh not really.

I mean we've been "darkside" from the start only if you look at our philosophy of working to get the most profit out of people, but that isn't dark side.

Darkside is something quite specific in Star Wars and is associated with specific emotions that truth be told Ciaran doesn't use all that much.

Oh sure she can and probably does use them, but in specific contexts like fighting.
 
Stroth said:
To be honest, it's also a big chunk of why Ciaran fell to the dark side. "A sith holocron? Well, I'm sure I can handle it without going crazy. And there's just so much to learn!"
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Do you see us going around and murdering people and taking there stuff?

...Wait, that's adventurers.

Do you see us killing people for minor things and creating schemes that will never work to seize a little more power for ourselves before going mad with power in the end?

We haven't fallen. Not really. We might use it a little, I'm not sure. But we still have our sanity and aren't trying to kill everyone we meet.
 
Ihaxlikenoob said:
So since I was under the impression that Ciaran's use of physical Shatterpoints on objects would, y'know, end up shattering them, imagine my surprise when I found out she instead breaks objects down into fucking dust with her power.
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Stroth said:
That's just a really through shattering.
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This. Also there's the fact that said rubble was well...rubble, and wasn't so much made up of one singular object so much as a bunch of smaller ones. Shattering any of them would instantly reduce them to dust.
 
Ihaxlikenoob said:
You should /never/ sell unique culminative stat-boosting items, ever. Especially in a category we've heavily invested ourselves in the first place.

Edit: Every little bit helps in the shadow war against Palpatine.
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Quaduply so if in an attempt to sell unique loot, Palpatine get's it. :p
Andres110 said:
I'm arguing in favour of selling it only if the stat boost is minor, like a +2. It's not worth missing out on getting thousands of credits for it. We should totally sell the Forcesaber, though. Major boost or no, the thing mucks up our head.
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... You never know that thing called 'never enough boosts'. And since we're so far getting how many Martial boosts by training alone?


SlyOverlord said:
I wonder if we are going to give the Mantle of the Force crystal to Anakin at one point or another? Since Anakin wants to leave based on what Dr. Snark said, the crystal might be a perfect present for him to convince him to join the dark our side. While being forced to wear a mask to hide his identity.

For what is Anakin without a mask? A prequel trilogy that no one wanted. :rofl:
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Come, join the Moonlight side... We have Interest. :p

But more seriously, the moment Anakin joins the Abyss Watchers over being swayed by a Palpatine conversion attempt, is the moment WE may end up being the 'equalisers', or have him fufill his other prophesy of bringing balance to the force, in a less... Tragic manner.

With Interest, and even greater chances/prospects of preventing Padme's death by force bond anger, than what being under good old Pal' would be/bring.

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Still, Mantle of the Force aside, there's only TWO people we can trust it with.

Either A: Ciaren, or B: Anakin. But in advance, it'd be a really bad idea to sell a Crit result in the black market, least Palpatine is one of those prospecting 'auctioners' and ends up getting it sold to him, and make him an even bigger danger than in canon?

And if it's an amplification is anything to go by, it'd likely be TWO approaches.

Either A: Put it on Ciaren, ~/~ be equal to Anakin at a hyped push.

Or B: Put it in Anakin, =/= God Mode... At possible risk of going Edge Lord Vader even harder, if we don't SL bail him out of his apparent Episode 3/III Fate.

Speaking of, I'd have an equal bet that having the Mantle of the Force ourselves, might lead to another SL action/shenanigans if it's on Ciaren, or have our 'lucky breaks/trances' be even more potent. And waving away a "meh, just a +2" is not a good logic, as we kinda may NEED every little boost we can keep our hands on.
D King Hecht said:
Sigh, please stop bashing the Prequel trilogy.
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To be serious, we're making the Prequel's better... Even if it's at the expense of derailing cannon, and possibly giving a Luke X years later, a massive seizure, over Abyss Watchers...

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And now, to quote respond to a few other things...
ThoughtMaster said:
"A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea. Accepting of all that there is and can be."

Cryptic isn't merely within Star Wars, the Souls games are quite obtuse in wording as well, if not to a greater extent. Expecting everyone to avoid such flowery language is unreasonable in the extreme.
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Honestly, we're nigh an archive for possible King's Field references. But more seriously...

I'd likely bet that Force wise, it's like more likely being haunted by Space Ghosts/Wizardry/what have you.
Darrenb209 said:
Knowledge is Jerec's problem. He'll do anything for it. Always has, always will. It was not knowledge he found that turned him, it was the knowledge he couldn't. The frustration, the people getting in his way... What he found helped, but at it's core, what caused him to fall is that he wanted more. Always more.

Then he came back to the known galaxy to find a Republic which had fallen, a rising Empire and Jedi who had betrayed/been betrayed. He took the path of more knowledge, and joined the Empire.
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... Honestly, only way to likely counter that, is if we are that 'good guy' posse, that has a higher potential to be an archive of accessed knowledge, in contrast to a possible 'me me me!' Palpatine, who'd likely be NOT willing to share anything but death on him.

... So, if going absolutely pushy, push him to Lore~, what could go wrong~...
Dr. Snark said:
As for the normal reward...it'd probably the history lesson and knowing the Rakatans infused pretty much everything with Dark Side energy. Maybe a hint about their regeneration factor. But uh...you got the supercrit so what difference does it make?
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Honestly, I'd even throw an argument on even if we supercrit (or hell, ultra critted.) We'd have probably not found anything more than that Mantle, given age and such, and the moment we break fate to see a hologram of Raven, is probably the moment Palpatine is going to have another headache. :p
Skywalker_T-65 said:
I'm on mobile, so now that I'm caught up someone will probably ninja me again, but:

The Mantle is NOT a standard crystal. This is a crystal that, by its very nature, takes the best out of whatever you put in it and amplifying it. In terms of KOTOR, this was stat boosting the stat boosts of your other crystals. Have the Solari? Put the Mantle in as well and you've suddenly got the POWER OF THE LIGHT (all caps necessary, because damn that bonus against Dark Siders). It makes anything you use with it flat better.

In the context of the quest...it probably boosts all Force abilities. Along with being a very powerful symbol for our lightsaber. Getting rid of it is getting rid of our 'saber being unique. And possibly getting rid of the best crystal in the Galaxy. The Heart of the Guardian is great and all, if we find it. But it's not as great. Probably worth giving to Anakin though.
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Honestly, it's because of that, I just feel that lore alone, it's worth keeping a hold on. Either as a much needed booster wheel on Ciaren, or Anakin.

Dunno much on the Rakatan forcesaber, except at a push a possible bait or 'valued' artifact for more Sithy characters, or a possible research action to make a more 'balanced/light' version of said Forcesaber.

But eh, muh lore actions/reactions.
Barondoctor said:
History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.

Kreia->Ciaran (Reject the Sith, Reject the Jedi)
Sion->Maul (Hold Self Together With Hate / Pain / Anger)
Nihilus->Jerec (Always Chasing, Never Satisfied)
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Honestly, with that possible comparison, and if we go full recruition/conversion and temptation for 'balance' between those two characters...

In before we accidentally, post humerously in a way/sense, become better than Kreia, if we can somehow hold those two together, without a sudden backstab/betrayal happening?
 
Oh my goodness the Mantle of the Force + Forcesaber.

Well that's going to be a significant power booster, plus getting Jerec again for archaeology shenanigans! That's going to be very welcome for the more dangerous sites.

Clearly the Force means for us to walk the past.
 
The Mantle would be a big help to us, while the Forcesaber would be too risky to use.
 
UbeOne said:
while the Forcesaber would be too risky to use.
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Honestly I think (emphasis on that) that we're going to be creating a new design of lightsaber all together.

I mean we have the Force Saber which was the original inspiration, the modern day lightsabers and the Dark Saber (which nobody knows what it is.)

The Force Saber is better than regular lightsabers and also seems more forcey as it uses the force to create a blade, but sends people nuts through prolonged use, lightsabers don't do that and can incorporate different crystals and the Darksaber seems some how empathetic in someway, as well as being a pretty damn sweet weapon.

Combine that with the Mantle of the Force.

We have a Mechu Deru user, significantly more info on how the Rakata did force tech and have already created force conducting materials.

I wouldn't be surprised if we used the Mantle to create a crystal that could conduct all force energy (albeit not nearly as powerful as the mantle), creating a force saber that doesn't use Dark Side energy exclusively, combined with all the innovations of the Jedi and Sith.

Be expensive as piss probably, but superior.

At least that's my dream.
 
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Alex pears said:
Honestly I think (emphasis on that) that we're going to be creating a new design of lightsaber all together.

I mean we have the Force Saber which was the original inspiration, the modern day lightsabers and the Dark Saber (which nobody knows what it is.)

The Force Saber is better than regular lightsabers and also seems more forcey as it uses the force to create a blade, but sends people nuts through prolonged use, lightsabers don't do that and can incorporate different crystals and the Darksaber seems some how empathetic in someway, as well as being a pretty damn sweet weapon.

Combine that with the Mantle of the Force.

We have a Mechu Deru user, significantly more info on how the Rakata did force tech and have already created force conducting materials.

I wouldn't be surprised if we used the Mantle to create a crystal that could conduct all force energy (albeit not nearly as powerful as the mantle), creating a force saber that doesn't use Dark Side energy exclusively, combined with all the innovations of the Jedi and Sith.

Be expensive as piss probably, but superior.

At least that's my dream.
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......makeing a whole new design for a lightsaber would be badass
 
Andres110 said:
@Ihaxlikenoob, put that video in a spoiler. People might not have seen that episode and don't want to know what happens in that show.
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True, though to be fair the video doesn't actually say much beyond Maul and Sidious fight, Maul gets his shit kicked in.

No names are used, no context is given so that is the only major plot point.

It'd be worse if the Clone Wars show had gotten to where the developers hoped it would go, but it didn't so kudos to them for integrating what would have happened into rebels.
 
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