Ihaxlikenoob
Dragon of Terror
... Did you even read the interlude? Revan clearly said that the FORCESABER does what you're describing; The Mantle does not exclusively draw on Dark-side energy to amplify Force powers.
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UbeOne
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sorry if it was rude but.... the mantle of the force is KINDA a big deal.
Can we not?
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Yes actually. Thought it would be suitable due to the fact that, on our world at least, the greatest of the Abyss are found at the bottom of the sea, so a bottomless sea means a bottomless Abyss.
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Got confused. Thought the the name of the forcesaber was 'Mantle of the Force'.
So we have one Dark Side weapon and a general Force amplifier, unless I'm mistaken. (And if I am, I request you show civility and understanding when correcting me.) We should definitely sell the Forcesaber to the Jedi. We're not going to make use of it ourselves on account of its sanity damage, so why not? They'll pay handsomely if only to get it off the market, and Dooku Captures shows that the Jedi/Republic are willing to pay a lot of money just to keep a valuable asset out of the enemy's hands (assumed, actually, that they'll pay more to do that than the enemy would pay to keep that asset.)
As for the Mantle, so long as its benefits are significant, we should keep it in order to boost our precog. Otherwise, if it only does something minor like give +2 to Lore, sell it to the Jedi. There's more we can do with thousands of credits in our pocket than with a Lore boost that minor.
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Darrenb209
"Who are you, who do not know your history?"
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Bartering away the Mantle of the Force is a lot like Bartering away part of the Star Forge or some other unique item.
There will never be another like it. It's worth more wealth than the galaxy can put together. It's nearly sapient, is a powerful force amplifier and most importantly, gives us a Silver Lightsaber.
You don't sell unique items, at the very least, you shove them into our treasure vault.
The only Force Amplifier stronger that doesn't drive people evil is on Ruusan.
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ok first of all im sorry
second of all no we arnt selling anything its going to the vault we are a fucking dragon we hoard all the fancy shit
there pretty decent, as good as the clones at least.
Skywalker_T-65
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Well....
Actually...
I called it first.
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But unique items are worth so much money! Imagine all the base upgrades we could buy!
Darrenb209
"Who are you, who do not know your history?"
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Look, I'm all for selling to criminals, taking their money and then stealing the Unique item back, and then selling them again and repeating the process.
But I'm one of those people who's gaming inventory is filled with obsolete but unique items.
Ihaxlikenoob
Dragon of Terror
You should /never/ sell unique culminative stat-boosting items, ever. Especially in a category we've heavily invested ourselves in the first place.
Edit: Every little bit helps in the shadow war against Palpatine.
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I was actually thinking we could do this with the Jedi. They'll tolerate it because it lets them patch up holes in their security system, holes which thankfully will be closed when someone actually dangerous tries to steal it or break in.
I'm arguing in favour of selling it only if the stat boost is minor, like a +2. It's not worth missing out on getting thousands of credits for it. We should totally sell the Forcesaber, though. Major boost or no, the thing mucks up our head.
Darrenb209
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Jed... Criminals... The only difference is that one has government backing and the other's a borderline religious order.
Seriously, a lot of actions the Jedi take are just as bad, if not worse than criminals, but they get away with it because they are Jedi.
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we arnt selling the ancient relic and thats final
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I agree on the matter of whether it's worth selling. However, to be entirely fair, if it didn't want to be traded for massive amounts of Credits, maybe it shouldn't have wanted to be found by the Lady Ciaran.
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the jedi do get bashed all the time yes
then again there the only ones we CAN bash, the sith only exist as palp, a few of his apreti and maby a secret sith nation somewhere under a rock or something
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It's not just you. They're the official good guys of the setting, which means their negative qualities tend to get overemphasised by the fans to compensate.
EDIT: That and EU stuff tends to make them darker and greyer than they are in any of the movies or cartoons.
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Skywalker_T-65
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I'm on mobile, so now that I'm caught up someone will probably ninja me again, but:
The Mantle is NOT a standard crystal. This is a crystal that, by its very nature, takes the best out of whatever you put in it and amplifying it. In terms of KOTOR, this was stat boosting the stat boosts of your other crystals. Have the Solari? Put the Mantle in as well and you've suddenly got the POWER OF THE LIGHT (all caps necessary, because damn that bonus against Dark Siders). It makes anything you use with it flat better.
In the context of the quest...it probably boosts all Force abilities. Along with being a very powerful symbol for our lightsaber. Getting rid of it is getting rid of our 'saber being unique. And possibly getting rid of the best crystal in the Galaxy. The Heart of the Guardian is great and all, if we find it. But it's not as great. Probably worth giving to Anakin though.
The Mantle is NOT a standard crystal. This is a crystal that, by its very nature, takes the best out of whatever you put in it and amplifying it. In terms of KOTOR, this was stat boosting the stat boosts of your other crystals. Have the Solari? Put the Mantle in as well and you've suddenly got the POWER OF THE LIGHT (all caps necessary, because damn that bonus against Dark Siders). It makes anything you use with it flat better.
In the context of the quest...it probably boosts all Force abilities. Along with being a very powerful symbol for our lightsaber. Getting rid of it is getting rid of our 'saber being unique. And possibly getting rid of the best crystal in the Galaxy. The Heart of the Guardian is great and all, if we find it. But it's not as great. Probably worth giving to Anakin though.
Darrenb209
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It's partially because the old canon makes the Jedi deserve it. A lot of inconsistencies caused by plot holes and certain other facts introduced in the barely self-consistent books of the old canon make the Jedi arrogant idiots at best and borderline monsters at worst.
Combine that with prequel's arrogant Jedi who see nothing wrong with using mind control to speed up a situation and only try to act like normal people when that doesn't work? Qui Gon in particular...
And you get the general dislike for them that keeps popping up.
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i dont like the jedi because they take 1-4 year olds to be trained and the parents get no say in it and no actual adult wants there kid taken from them ever so this religious sect just come and steals children (in my eyes any ways) and that in it self piss's me off.
also the mind control, thats not ok.
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Yeah, but it's okay because from my point of view, the Jedi are evil.
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it might not be true and i might vilinize them just a bit but come on, you cant tell me that they do some pretty shady shit, even if you are going off of just canon stuff, they tried to have a military coup the second they found out palps was a sith, like, full on coup as well, probly doing a lot of stuff afterwards as well.
Darrenb209
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The age thing is actually the Sith's fault. The Exile's order removed the age restriction, the age restriction was added back in during Bane's time, because anyone too old had a high chance of being a Sith Infiltrator.
One of the reasons I dislike the Jedi is visible in the Clone Wars cartoon.
See... Ahsoka Tano, was at her oldest possible age, 13 years old at Christophsis. Most likely younger.
They sent Children out to die in a war they had no choice in.
Hell, her canon age, which actually conflicts with the still canon Jedi go to Agri-Corps at 13 is age 14.
How they slipped that onto children's TV, especially in her clothes I don't know.
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