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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)

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Also- we really ought to suborn the Blackguard sooner rather than later. As an organization, they'd inject a nice bit of theological substance into the collective belief system of the AWs*, pad out those numbers some, and help us learn and study other Force traditions. These guys were practically made for us.

And besides, beating San'sii like a fucking drum would be an excellent narrative way to show how far Ciaran's come as a force user- and I'm pretty much positive we could take him.

*The Force is ultimately beyond Light and Dark, and it's the duty of a Force Practioner to find their own middle ground between the two, and that one of the best ways to further one's power/knowledge of the Force is to seek out and learn from other traditions.

I know others have brought it up before, but this is something that could be really useful.
 
Odd.

I'd have thought that while not as good at straight fighting we'd probably have the advantage in some of the areas Jedi are usually either equal or better in (i.e. the Makutai techniques making them stronger than the Jedi version)

In fact what are the Jedi "better" at?

Obviously there are things that the Jedi do better than other people (healing)

All the small force sects don't seem to have is the range and :turian:easy:turian: learning curve as the more basic Jedi techniques, but what they specialise in they're simply better at it then the Jedi when the two over lap (or at least it seems to be that way for obvious reasons)

Is the Jedi's thing really just that they are a sorta theology that focuses exclusively on their side of the Force?

The Dark Side gets sith alchemy and sorcery to go with it in addition to the stereotypical sith powers and more esoteric ones, but the esoteric healing technique I expected the Jedi to have the Voss have instead.

Eh probably shouldn't be thinking too hard on the matter.

Karugus said:
Also- we really ought to suborn the Blackguard sooner rather than later. As an organization, they'd inject a nice bit of theological substance into the collective belief system of the AWs*, pad out those numbers some, and help us learn and study other Force traditions. These guys were practically made for us.
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mmm, they don't seem to have any unique stuff of their own, but if their philosophy makes us better sign me up.
 
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Bass11 said:
We should go investigate the Jensaarai then given they create suits of armor using cortosis weave for their equivalent of Jedi Knight rank. Also as a suggestion for a force power to go after next would be Combustion or Flamusfracta which allows the person using it to explode something using sheer force of will.
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Speaking of, we might wanna ask Vectivus if he's willing to teach us the Force Phantom technique. When we first heard about it, it was far beyond us, but now that we have a Lore that could compete with many dedicated Force users, it might be possible to use it. As for applications, in Legends, that technique could be used to harry enemies from across the galaxy, spy on targets, or provide secure communication, with sufficient mastery. While it takes a lot of energy to use, we just happen to have a Dark Force Nexus as base, in the form of The Home.
 
Alex pears said:
Odd.

I'd have thought that while not as good at straight fighting we'd probably have the advantage in some of the areas Jedi are usually either equal or better in (i.e. the Makutai techniques making them stronger than the Jedi version)

In fact what are the Jedi "better" at?

Obviously there are things that the Jedi do better than other people (healing)

All the small force sects don't seem to have is the range and :turian:easy:turian: learning curve as the more basic Jedi techniques, but what they specialise in they're simply better at it then the Jedi when the two over lap (or at least it seems to be that way for obvious reasons)

Is the Jedi's thing really just that they are a sorta theology that focuses exclusively on their side of the Force?

The Dark Side gets sith alchemy and sorcery to go with it in addition to the stereotypical sith powers and more esoteric ones, but the esoteric healing technique I expected the Jedi to have the Voss have instead.

Eh probably shouldn't be thinking too hard on the matter.


mmm, they don't seem to have any unique stuff of their own, but if their philosophy makes us better sign me up.
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they had battle meditation, also they made all of the lightsaber forms
 
Karugus said:
Yeah, we have two real advantages for our little force sect-

Unorthodoxy, and the fact we're deliberately engineering the development of our sect for specific kinds of effectiveness at say- saboteuring and infiltration. The Jedi have the benefit of a lot of tradition and knowledge backing them up, but they're ultimately a monk order that considers being a peacekeeper and diplomat ideal professions to strive for.

The Abyss Walkers... are probably less monastic order and more a skilled and specialized quasi-cult if you factor in whatever shared ideology the AW are developing. We benefit from being a lot more deliberate and focused in the training and methods we teach our agents, because ultimately- these agents are given this training to serve Ciaran's interests, not to enlighten themselves or aspire towards some grandiose ideal.
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The Abyss Walkers are probably quite cultish actually when you consider the personalities involved in their training, it's sort of an escalation in mystery and occultism. I see the Walker starting with the basics at Tyro, progressing on to lightsaber combat and more advanced usage under loosely taught regimes with Asajj 'ending' with the journey to the Home and receiving 'advanced' tutelage under Darth Vectivus before the worthy ascend to serve Lady Ciaran/Darth Traya personally.

They're very focused on powerful and distinct personalities during a period of having their fundamental understanding of the universe changed, Vectivus' influence probably cements at least some cult like elements, even if only as focusing tools and aids given he was a member of the Sith Order in life.

Ciaran is probably built up among the Agents as the distant, mysterious and all knowing leader with a secret and far spanning design for the galaxy, probably encouraged by the first Abyss Walker being very devoted to Ciaran.

Somewhat at least, even if it's just grass roots I wouldn't be surprised if the Agents and Walkers had developed some habits and rituals among themselves.
 
XenonPrime said:
The Abyss Walkers are probably quite cultish actually when you consider the personalities involved in their training, it's sort of an escalation in mystery and occultism. I see the Walker starting with the basics at Tyro, progressing on to lightsaber combat and more advanced usage under loosely taught regimes with Asajj 'ending' with the journey to the Home and receiving 'advanced' tutelage under Darth Vectivus before the worthy ascend to serve Lady Ciaran/Darth Traya personally.

They're very focused on powerful and distinct personalities during a period of having their fundamental understanding of the universe changed, Vectivus' influence probably cements at least some cult like elements, even if only as focusing tools and aids given he was a member of the Sith Order in life.

Ciaran is probably built up among the Agents as the distant, mysterious and all knowing leader with a secret and far spanning design for the galaxy, probably encouraged by the first Abyss Walker being very devoted to Ciaran.

Somewhat at least, even if it's just grass roots I wouldn't be surprised if the Agents and Walkers had developed some habits and rituals among themselves.
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oh yeah, if that one omake is canon (the one with the agent perspective) then the abyss is to them, a representative of the force, the longer you stare, and the deeper you see, the more likly for it to look back.
 
XenonPrime said:
Ciaran is probably built up among the Agents as the distant, mysterious and all knowing leader with a secret and far spanning design for the galaxy, probably encouraged by the first Abyss Walker being very devoted to Ciaran.
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Which is then put into heavy contrast when Ciaran goes SLIGHTLY crazy again and does weird/funny stuff. *glances at the 'sane' Cave Johnon-style messages*
 
I'm writing up by revised omake of a previous one of mine titled Fractured Future. Though it's still in bare bones, I think I can scare you all with five words:

Supreme Chancellor Jar Jar Binks
 
Whumbly said:
I'm writing up by revised omake of a previous one of mine titled Fractured Future. Though it's still in bare bones, I think I can scare you all with five words:

Supreme Chancellor Jar Jar Binks
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YOU MONSTER

Edit: Now that I think about it, I don't think we ever met him in this quest.
 
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Whumbly said:
I'm writing up by revised omake of a previous one of mine titled Fractured Future. Though it's still in bare bones, I think I can scare you all with five words:

Supreme Chancellor Jar Jar Binks
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.....

I would love to know how they ended up on THAT position? Did their stars align themselves for them or something?
 
Whumbly said:
I'm writing up by revised omake of a previous one of mine titled Fractured Future. Though it's still in bare bones, I think I can scare you all with five words:

Supreme Chancellor Jar Jar Binks
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Don't you mean Supreme Sock Puppet?
 
I had a thought. (Hopefully it will drive out whumbly's heresy.)

We lead/have the greatest concentration of force users outside the jedi order and this has been so for several years by this point. How many of them have had children? and of those how many have had children with other force users? Because I can see Ciaran setting up daycare for here operative's children and having multiple children of two (or more) force users spending time together might lead to some interesting situations.
 
prince84 said:
I had a thought. (Hopefully it will drive out whumbly's heresy.)

We lead/have the greatest concentration of force users outside the jedi order and this has been so for several years by this point. How many of them have had children? and of those how many have had children with other force users? Because I can see Ciaran setting up daycare for here operative's children and having multiple children of two (or more) force users spending time together might lead to some interesting situations.
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i smell omake right here
 
NexysDhyArchen said:
Didn't we short circuit that whole Gungan side arc for Naboo? Does anyone actually know Binks?

...Is he actually Sidious' apprentice?
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I thought the Phantom Menace happened pretty much as canon but with more Ciaran running around helping the Sith plot before ultimately extracting Borvo, looting Naboo, profiting off of rebuilding Naboo, helping the fish face guy stay out of jail and then being besties with Padme.

Like, Ciaran did meet Obi-Wan and Anakin at the end of things on Coruscant I think, I'm pretty sure we've known him since he was a child.
 
NexysDhyArchen said:
Didn't we short circuit that whole Gungan side arc for Naboo? Does anyone actually know Binks?
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The Phantom Menace still happened, so Binks was still encountered. It is just that most of what happened behind the scenes are different now. Other than following the rails on Gunray (to get inside access on the CIS), everything else has been butterflied in the aftermath.
 
Alex pears said:
Is the Jedi's thing really just that they are a sorta theology that focuses exclusively on their side of the Force?
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Their thing is that they have a bunch of lightsaber forms, healing, precog, and a broad base of other powers. Also, piloting, first aid and a bunch of other incidentals. Keep in mind that most other force orders have one or two combat styles. The Jedi have SEVEN before you get into multi blade sillyness.
 
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