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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)

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I think putting Anakin on the Jedi Council would mostly just cause a lot of arguments between Anakin and the Council. Personality clash and whatnot.

The Jedi as peacekeepers, diplomats, and spec ops is probably where we want them. Would be nice to dilute their influence/grandeur a bit, but resurrecting the Chu'unthor and using it to bring other Force sects to a bit more prominence is honestly probably the best thing we'll get out of it. They currently aren't responsible for governing or running the galaxy... and the Jedi Council being bad at that precise thing is what people were complaining about?

For Ciaran's purposes... keeping the Jedi passive is absolutely what's wanted. Fixing up the Rim isn't a job Ciaran wants the Jedi getting credit for. It's a job that she wants the credit for. And that's doable with the current Jedi status quo. So what's the issue?
 
Except the status quo isn't going to last. Because when Palpatine is revealed to be Sidious, the Jedi are going to get a shock to the system like they haven't in 1000 years. There's no way around it. There was a Sith Lord on Coruscant for years, he was the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic, he met with members of the Jedi Council regularly, and nobody noticed.

They are going to want to do something, whether it's to run around Coruscant looking for Sith sympathizers and corrupt politicians or to go off into the galaxy to hunt darksiders and more regular criminal scum.

And Ciaran is going to be at the least a suspect. Since not only do they know she has some kind of criminal connection but now they know she has force training, and she knows a technique similar to what Sidious used to hide. And if she helped them with Sidious... Well Sith have been known to kill each other, in fact they did that a lot.

And since the Republic is so irrevocably corrupt they'd know taking Ciaran to court would be impossible, even if she didn't have her great reputation. So I wouldn't be surprised if Ciaran ended up having the same scene Palpatine would have had with Anakin and Mace Windu. Only difference would be she wouldn't have to fake getting her ass kicked, Windu would kill the shit out of her in any sort of fair fight.
 
Stealthy said:
For Ciaran's purposes... keeping the Jedi passive is absolutely what's wanted. Fixing up the Rim isn't a job Ciaran wants the Jedi getting credit for. It's a job that she wants the credit for. And that's doable with the current Jedi status quo. So what's the issue?
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Because I don't think the passive Jedi status quo will continue when the Jedi find out that due to their passivity and laxness the Sith got this close to genociding the Jedi and toppling the Republic right underneath their gaze.

It's like if Cold War America found out that Nixon was really Gorbachev all along and conspiring to destroy both the Soviet Union and USA in order to make his own fascist dictatorship (yes, I chose fascism intentionally, the situation is that batshit crazy). People, even Jedi, are going to panic- they're going to try and find people to blame for letting this happen, they're going to be angry over being used and dieing at the machinations of a mad man. The status quo breaking down is the only certainty we have when predicting the outcome ahead of us.
 
I think I figured out a way to make us doing something as outlandish as fighting Sidious acceptable - Revan it up with a mask, cloak, and red saber and take on a secret identity. Like Batman. Whereas Ciaran's main style is Makashi, Darth Traya's style will be a strength-focused build, one enabled by the usage of Matukai. It would be a cool thing to read, and the narrative weight for when we reveal our identity and go all "I am Darth Traya" will be heavy.
 
Andres110 said:
I think I figured out a way to make us doing something as outlandish as fighting Sidious acceptable - Revan it up with a mask, cloak, and red saber and take on a secret identity. Like Batman. Whereas Ciaran's main style is Makashi, Darth Traya's style will be a strength-focused build, one enabled by the usage of Matukai. It would be a cool thing to read, and the narrative weight for when we reveal our identity and go all "I am Darth Traya" will be heavy.
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And what exactly would that solve? It just makes us look even more like a Sith that killed another to take his place. It certainly won't help with the aftermath of killing him and dealing with the Jedi at all.
 
You guys are over-reacting to how much of a problem the Jedi will be to Ciaran. I have the perfect plan that will guarantee her safety and prove we are a good guy (of sorts).
  1. Set up a meeting to the Jedi Council that is public knowledge so we can't 'disappear'.
  2. Make sure Yoda is there. Really, make sure he will be attending.
  3. Give a subtle threat that striking her down will make her more powerful. Or in simple terms, her dying in suspicious circumstances would give the Jedi lots of political backlash. Especially since the Huk Wars was still within living memory.
  4. Tell everyone what she is planning on doing to make the galaxy a better place. With or without the Jedi's involvement.
  5. Tell everyone how they ignored several places teeming with the Dark Side for thousands of years and they really shouldn't be so surprised because of their negligence.
  6. Warn them to actually do their jobs and try to clear several locations of Dark Side taint to prevent someone like Palpatine from coming back.
  7. ???
  8. Profit!!
How could we possibly be suspicious if we want to meet them on their own home ground and give them advice like the good lightsider we are? For everyone knows that true Sith are a cowardly bunch that would stay as far from the Jedi as possible. :p
 
SlyOverlord said:
How could we possibly be suspicious if we want to meet them on their own home ground and give them advice like the good lightsider we are? For everyone knows that true Sith are a cowardly bunch that would stay as far from the Jedi as possible. :p
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And then Palpatine is revealed as a Sith, and that idea gets tossed right out.
 
065tdsa said:
Except the status quo isn't going to last. Because when Palpatine is revealed to be Sidious, the Jedi are going to get a shock to the system like they haven't in 1000 years. There's no way around it. There was a Sith Lord on Coruscant for years, he was the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic, he met with members of the Jedi Council regularly, and nobody noticed.

They are going to want to do something, whether it's to run around Coruscant looking for Sith sympathizers and corrupt politicians or to go off into the galaxy to hunt darksiders and more regular criminal scum.

And Ciaran is going to be at the least a suspect. Since not only do they know she has some kind of criminal connection but now they know she has force training, and she knows a technique similar to what Sidious used to hide. And if she helped them with Sidious... Well Sith have been known to kill each other, in fact they did that a lot.

And since the Republic is so irrevocably corrupt they'd know taking Ciaran to court would be impossible, even if she didn't have her great reputation. So I wouldn't be surprised if Ciaran ended up having the same scene Palpatine would have had with Anakin and Mace Windu. Only difference would be she wouldn't have to fake getting her ass kicked, Windu would kill the shit out of her in any sort of fair fight.
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To be honest, Ciaran's best defence to the Council rocking up to arrest her is to surrender without a fight, now this might sound crazy but Jedi do not just murder someone who surrenders.
Even if Mace could he isn't stupid enough to face a Dark Lord alone, especially if he's survived the slaying of Darth Sidious, that means multiple Jedi Masters of the Council, possibly Yoda. I sincerely doubt there's much that could get the whole Council to kick in the door of a woman's home and murder her, especially if she offers no violence and comes willingly.

And Yoda absolutely would not, I'd expect him to defend Ciaran in such a situation.

Ciaran can win any court case assuming her organisation hasn't been dismantled and she has some means of presenting a defence, she's just that damned good that she'll win if they haven't got her dead to rights.
Now, the Jedi probably know this, but they can't just try to murder her without casting themselves into the Darkside or starting a Civil war, just remember how popular Ciaran is with the Jedi Order as a whole.
I think the worst thing they'd do is try to cut Ciaran off from the Force, but she, more than anyone knows that's far from the end and god knows what her fractured nature in the Force would do to that process and unlike many threats, it's not the Force alone that makes Ciaran dangerous.

In such a situation Ciaran could destroy the Jedi Order as it is without one quiver of the Force, having spiritually mutilated the Galaxy's darling? They couldn't get away with it, they'd be torn apart as surely as if Order 66 were enacted, let alone what they'd do to themselves.

And the wise masters will know this rendering such an approach moot as long as they can't prove that she's Darth Traya, criminal mastermind. The only arrest I'd advise fighting out of would be Obi-Wan doing it, because he'd only do it if it was iron clad given how familiar he is with Ciaran.

The big danger from the Jedi, barring a reform, will be the return of their future sight without the Baneite Sith's occluding veil, they'll be much better at foreseeing things, including us.

We're good at hiding but I don't think Ciaran is able to weave that sort of deception just yet.
 
Instead of figuring out how to deal with the Jedi after defeating Palpatine, we should try to answer a much more important question. If by the end of the war they manage to capture Nute alive and put him on trial, are we going to rig it to get him free or not?
 
Random Member said:
Instead of figuring out how to deal with the Jedi after defeating Palpatine, we should try to answer a much more important question. If by the end of the war they manage to capture Nute alive and put him on trial, are we going to rig it to get him free or not?
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Previously was to get a big in with the CIS for the Clone Wars. Metagaming for profit and to make the situation less shitty. And we have been doing a damn good job at that. The CNS is practically going to become its own superpower.

When Palpatine bites it, we will have no more use for him. He will go down no matter what. A pawn to the very end.
 
SlyOverlord said:
Previously was to get a big in with the CIS for the Clone Wars. Metagaming for profit and to make the situation less shitty. And we have been doing a damn good job at that. The CNS is practically going to become its own superpower.

When Palpatine bites it, we will have no more use for him. He will go down no matter what. A pawn to the very end.
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Yep. Besides, if we want to continue working with the CIS, and specifically the Trade Federation, we can just manipulate things to get someone even more useful to us in his position.
 
SlyOverlord said:
Previously was to get a big in with the CIS for the Clone Wars. Metagaming for profit and to make the situation less shitty. And we have been doing a damn good job at that. The CNS is practically going to become its own superpower.

When Palpatine bites it, we will have no more use for him. He will go down no matter what. A pawn to the very end.
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He could pay us a lot of money again.

Also, I'm pretty sure he's the only person in the Galaxy who knows about Ciaran's part in the Naboo invasion and her connection to Hego Damask on that side of things.

Or, at least, whatever identity she might have been using.

But yeah, I'm pretty sure it was him who decided to omit Ciaran's existence as an asset of Damask's from Sidious, meaning he never got the chance to take control of her.

And Ciaran definitely doesn't know there's someone out there with a tidbit of knowledge that could connect her as a former asset of the Sith.
 
Jakobstj said:
Why would we rig it for him?
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He knows too much to let anyone take him alive. Besides, the qualities that made him a rather useful pawn for Sidious could make him a rather useful pawn for us. Why replace him with another pawn if he's already our pawn? The effort spent replacing him would be better spent replacing someone who doesn't like us, like Wat Tambor.
 
Random Member said:
Instead of figuring out how to deal with the Jedi after defeating Palpatine, we should try to answer a much more important question. If by the end of the war they manage to capture Nute alive and put him on trial, are we going to rig it to get him free or not?
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Finally, somebody asking the real questions.

And obviously we will, and pin everything on Wat Tambor and Shu Mai.
 
Stealthy said:
They currently aren't responsible for governing or running the galaxy... and the Jedi Council being bad at that precise thing is what people were complaining about?
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The Jedi Council are bad at any and all governance, including of their own polity.
It's a side-effect of their inheritance laws, they are a Meritocracy selecting for Wisdom. And it is very easy to grab Overly Patient/Slothful instead of Wise.
After that it's mostly a death spiral into complacency over generations.

While passive Jedi are good, in the shakeup post-Palpatine we won't get passive.
Even if the Council remains unaffected by Mace Windu or Obi-Wan and stays passive, the Jedi Order as a whole would never.

The Order has been trending towards more Proactive stances and many have also begun to Fall due to the War and their battle-pacifist upbringing clashing.
Post-Palpatine you will get dozens of defections like Count Dooku, which may well spark populist/mob McCarthyism.

The Jedi Council will shift to be proactive for at least a decade or the Jedi Order will schism.
 
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