This technological regression is because the thousand years of darkness aka the longest sith vs jedi war of history. The Republic suffered a lot during those thousand years, what happened is a lot like the first and second suseccion wars on battletech, in that every university, research facility, shipyards and factory where pretty much leveled at some point or another.

What technological regression? Outside of HK-47, nothing I've really seen from Old Republic times is more advanced then Clone Wars era Republic. Things back then were certainly shinier looking, but that does not mean more advanced. As I've already pointed out, ships are orders of magnitude more powerful then they were back then, with single Star Destroyers possessing armaments equaling entire Old republic fleets.

Sure, things probably haven't advanced as much as they should've over a few thousand years, but that is hardly a full on dark age regression.
 
I have a little trouble believing that, seeing as an Interdictor had 5 medium turbolasers and 6 light point defense lasers, and the Victory-II had 20 turbolasers, 20 double heavy turbolasers, and ten heavy ion cannons.

*shrugs* It's cited in The New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology
 
*shrugs* It's cited in The New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology

And Science Fiction writers have always written consistently and in line with theories on historical/technological progression when? I understand that it might be referenced in canon but I'm a person who thinks that when parts of canon stops making sense those parts need to be tossed out and replaced.

There has been some regression, sure. Personal shields have been lost and minerals for effective light-saber resistant materials have been exploited to the point where they are no longer as wide-spread in military use among other things. But based on their specs, I don't see how an Interdicter class Cruiser made by the Old Republic (even if one designed after a war) could match up to a Victory class Star-Destroyer.
 
And Science Fiction writers have always written consistently and in line with theories on historical/technological progression when? I understand that it might be referenced in canon but I'm a person who thinks that when parts of canon stops making sense those parts need to be tossed out and replaced.

There has been some regression, sure. Personal shields have been lost and minerals for effective light-saber resistant materials have been exploited to the point where they are no longer as wide-spread in military use among other things. But based on their specs, I don't see how an Interdicter class Cruiser made by the Old Republic (even if one designed after a war) could match up to a Victory class Star-Destroyer.
I would agree with that, provided the Interdictor wasn't reequipped with a modern power system, and more power efficient gravity well generators. That seems to be the main flaw of said class, it has a large amount of room to equipt weapons, but is crippled by the inability to power said array of armaments. Funnily enough, we are already have connections to the company that designed the ships, Republic Sienar Systems, so if they still have the designs archived, we could have them modernized to be used as the main CNS capital ship.
 
*shrugs* It's cited in The New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology

... That does not make any sense at all. Whatsoever.

And Science Fiction writers have always written consistently and in line with theories on historical/technological progression when? I understand that it might be referenced in canon but I'm a person who thinks that when parts of canon stops making sense those parts need to be tossed out and replaced.

There has been some regression, sure. Personal shields have been lost and minerals for effective light-saber resistant materials have been exploited to the point where they are no longer as wide-spread in military use among other things. But based on their specs, I don't see how an Interdicter class Cruiser made by the Old Republic (even if one designed after a war) could match up to a Victory class Star-Destroyer.

As he puts it, we can just chalk it up to a mistake by the writer.

Though I disagree about the lost technology. No technology has been lost, and everything has gotten more advanced. In the MMO there was a protocol droid that states it isn't fluent in 600 forms of communication, as opposed to C-3PO's 6 million. As stated before, the armament of ships is ridiculously bigger. Bacta being used more then kolto. And so on.

As for personal shields, they are not a lost technology. They're still around, just not in as much use. No reason was given why, but it's easy to guess. Carth Onsai says at one point blaster technology would probably eclipse shield tech. Weapons tech outstripping defense tech happens all the time in history. Wookiepedia mentions that personal shields in use by the Clone Wars were either too expensive to equip in mass and thus given to special forces (clone commandos) or lethal to organics due to radiation and magnetic fields (droidekas).
 
This went well...especially after the things that happened with repairing him... (To be continued in Deus Ex Machina)

Ooookay...Cheriss might have gotten a bit carried away with looking over HK-47... (To be continued in Deus Ex Machina)

Note to self: to Cheriss, the word "fix" means "repair it and make it even better than it was before." (To be continued in Deus Ex Machina)
I'm gonna be honest, I'm half expecting Revan's ghost to have possessed/given a hand to/nudged Cheriss there.
 
Waifus are serious business. Sidious knows that and was able to utilise it to great effect in canon. It's fortunate Anakin has SV to advice him, because the Jedi just don't get it.

Or perhaps the Jedi understand all too well. Clearly they avoid attachment to prevent waifu wars.

Is anyone else amused that the thread's commitment to avoid waifu wars has led to Ciaran emulating the Jedi?

... But seriously, if that Crit's anything to go by, my rough 'hedge' bet is... Other than Silas Cata and Ciaren herself pulling a complete inverse 'family meeting', with Abyss Watchers...

I have wondered about Anakin turning out to be Silas' son.

Then Ciaran could call him uncle.

fasquardon
 
Is anyone else amused that the thread's commitment to avoid waifu wars has led to Ciaran emulating the Jedi?

I have wondered about Anakin turning out to be Silas' son.

Then Ciaran could call him uncle.

fasquardon

But Ciaran is the waifu. What? Don't look at me like that!

As for your second idea ... no. (Opinion Ahoy!) The idea was funny the first (maybe few) times but this would push it into ridiculous territory. It's already straddling the line to be honest.
 
Because now we've denied Palpatine the funds that were a key part of his plans.
Quite simply, we have something he NEEDS to complete his plans.
That's dangerous, we're going to need to tap all our leads to see if we can see what's coming.
Good point. Between this and the Bothans' warning of an impending reputation hit, we have a pretty decent idea of how Palpatine will counterattack.

This is a security risk.
...How? Clarify please.

Courier Is A Vague Term
Beautiful.

Severance Package - Providence-class capital ship
...
Obi-Wan's Love Nest - Luxury Pleasure Cruiser
Padme and Anakin's Romantic Getaway - Luxury Personal Courier
...I'm not at all sure about some of those names. On the one hand, "Obi-Wan's Love Nest" is a big part of why this omake was so darn funny. On the other, though, would Ciaran really use them as official designations? I could certainly see them as unofficial designations -- similar to ERROR 404 for our planet -- but as an official name is a bit more of a stretch.'Severance Package', for instance, seems a bit too on-the-nose for an official designation, considering we're trying to pretend the Invisible Hand wasn't stolen from Separatist high command. Plus, come on, thread title.

I'd also like to wait and see the results of this turn before drawing the galactic public's attention (plus the Jedi Order) to Anakin's crush on Padme...

HK-47
Designation: Starship - Large Starfighter
Love the concept, but "Starship" feels a bit generic. Maybe "Warship"? Or "Gunship" or "Starfighter"?

Alternately, you could go in a completely different direction -- "Commentary: Give Up, Meatbags" or "Commentary: Abandon Hope"? :D

Coruscant: 87 (+75)
Nar Shaddaa : 1
Taris: 99 (+100 and Event)
Space: 23 (+25)
:rofl: Oh I'm looking forward to that salvage event. A few possibilities if you're looking for something to give us:

Upper City
- Jedi Tower/Taris Academy: chapterhouse/enclave of Jedi Order, headquarters of 'Jedi Covenant', site of Padawan Massacre, in 'Sinking City' region
- Dynamet General: founded as Mercy Hospital, all but three floors destroyed by Malak's bombardment, plans to reclaim abandoned due to rakghouls
- Taris Dueling Arena: survived bombardment, entertainment complex owned by a Hutt during 'Old Republic' era
I'd be especially interested to see an 'event' about the Jedi Tower -- not just for the Force-related awesomeness, but also to dig up history on the 'Jedi Covenant' (self-identified "dark side hunters" responsible for massacring their own padawans after a Force vision indicated that one Padawan might fall to the dark side...). It'd be interesting to tie that in with the Anakin interlude, considering how the Covenant was led by high-profile Jedi Masters (Consulars) and how it seems the Order never apologized for their actions and tried to conceal what they had done...

Alternately, there was a mostly-destroyed hospital, and a mostly-intact 'dueling arena' that might be salvageable as a base upgrade.

Middle City
- Sepanik Memorial Hospital: mostly unscathed by bombardment, but heavily looted in aftermath
Another hospital, at a lower level (less prestige, smaller database) and mostly looted, but still intact after the bombing.

Lower City
- Brejik's Run: site of Great Swoop Race, season opening swoop racetrack for the Galactic Swoop Racing Circuit
We just rebuilt the Machineville racing course -- this is another one we might rediscover....

'Promised Land' - legendary city & original colony below Undercity & Undercity sewers, rediscovered by Revan
Then there's this. Per the 'Old Republic' MMO, there's pretty much nothing left to find here 300 years after Revan or so, but that might be hand-waved as 'the inhabitants were in hiding.' If our salvage teams found the entrance to this, there might be all kinds of things on the other side, potentially an entire civilization that had sprang up in the isolated depths of the underworld....
 
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Since I was quote called on a matter of Anakin, and hear the passive response of this...
But Ciaran is the waifu. What? Don't look at me like that!
... Okay, first; let's see what the whole 'current' (yet to be updated to FUBAR) relationship meter's are for say; Padme and Anakin...
Padme: Considers you her best friend, spends more time with you than anyone else... not that she has much of a choice.
Obi-Wan: Considers you a suspicious but helpful ally, wishes you would stop teasing him over his love life.
Anakin: O_O (Cannot come to the phone now, please hold)
... My likely guess at this rate, is for Anakin at least, Emoticon wise...


@O@ (... Watcher's? Reforms? Twilight Abyss? Cookies, Love Investments?!?) ... T_T

... And chances are, if we keep on intentionally target him well in the long term...

Holy Molly Polyamory. (OT3! OT3! OT3!!! Of Forbidden Romance!!!) :p
 
I'm increasingly tempted to do a Maul omake about his reaction to a strange new galaxy, far different than the one he expected.
 
Is anyone else amused that the thread's commitment to avoid waifu wars has led to Ciaran emulating the Jedi?



I have wondered about Anakin turning out to be Silas' son.

Then Ciaran could call him uncle.

fasquardon
Does that make Silas the mortal avatar of the force? Because i'm okay with that.
 
(Omake) Of Hatred And Confusion (Canon)
(For all the Maul fans out there.)


Of Hatred and Confusion​


"Why don't we just kill him brother? Together we have the strength to avenge you upon this Obi-Wan Kenobi, no matter how long he hides within his temple and..." Savage Opress's voice rumbled within the confines of the starship's rec room, its twin bunk beds and data terminal the sole decorations to the sparse metal plating lining the hallways which made up the vessel.

"Soon apprentice, soon. But this...this should be savored, prolonged, drawn out till he understands the magnitude of what he has wrought." Maul's educated, cultured tone interrupted his sibling's questioning, transformed into little more than a guttural growl as he wrestled with his self control at the memory of that Jedi, the one whom cast him down and didn't even grant him a clean death.

"No Savage, Kenobi is not the average Jedi weakling. I grew arrogant once assuming so and paid for it. He might be blinded by his compassion and devotion to his flawed Jedi teachings, but he has some measure of skill. No, we need to...unbalance him." Maul mused thoughtfully, as he made his way to the holonet access, inputting the search he required.

"But how brother? Kill his apprentice, this Skywalker that seems to be following him about?" Oppress inquired, his bloodlust leaking into the force. Maul simply responded with an amused chuckle.

"No my apprentice. That would force confrontation upon his terms, where he has allies to call upon. This requires cunning and foresight. Disturb his inner peace and he will be vulnerable to the true power of the Darkside. Prepare the ship for departure. I will join you shortly once i have decided upon our destination."

As the vessel slowly ascended into the atmosphere, Maul was left to his thoughts, his mind adrift in a sea of discarded plans and conflicting information. It appeared Kenobi had done very well for himself, rising through the ranks of his corrupt and ineffective order, most likely riding on the wave of his success against himself. The idea that his foe had gained so much from taking the opportunity to act in that split seconds inattention burned him. His Master would have punished him severely for that kind of laxness, that weakness. He should have done better, had done better. He'd slew a Jedi Master and he was so proud, uplifted and empowered by the Darkside, its magnitude channelling its power through him. He was unstoppable, undefeatable till, suddenly he was falling and broken, left abandoned and unwanted with the rest of the flawed creations of the galaxy. Unable to move, soon unable to even think with the pain coursing through him, his nerves on fire as he clung to anything to remain afloat, stripped of everything but his hatred, his need for vengeance. His wrath.

Kenobi would suffer for what he had made him endure. But first, he needed to identify where to strike. For despite their rules about no attachments, the Jedi lived a lie. They claimed to live in peace, yet the galaxy was at war. Admittedly, not the war he had expected, the rising tide of a new power, this CNS was not a part of his masters plans he'd been informed of. Perhaps it was a recent addition. Much had changed in the past decade. It stood to reason that plans could be adapted. Perhaps it was the New Order the Master had foreseen. Perhaps it was the work of whomever had replaced him, stealing his title of apprentice to the most powerful being in the galaxy. Though he expected Dooku to hold that title, the man was an ex-jedi after all. They were hardly difficult to fool. It would make sense for the Master to have the real apprentice elsewhere, preparing for the future whilst Dooku took the fall, the brunt of the Jedi's retribution.

But where were these attachments? His homeworld of Stewjon perhaps? A fateful homecoming to a world covered in the ash of his family, his parents held to account for their long lost child's decision?

No, it would fail to have the effect he wished. Jedi lost such connections young and besides, it would establish him as a threat long before he had the ability to fight against the larger players of the galactic power struggle. He wished the completion of his retribution, but not at the expense of his long term goals, his very destiny as a Sith. No, there would be other opportunities to make his mark upon Kenobi. He would simply need to be more precise in where he struck.

The Holonet was filled with speculation, after all, Master Kenobi having become quite the celebrity. Some was frankly disturbing, even by his standards. However eventually he managed to narrow his search down to a trio of candidates.

A Jedi, A Duchess and a Rival.

Each had their possibilities, but it was unlikely such beings would allow a challenger for his affections to exist in such close proximity to their desired mate. It seemed slightly disrespectful to judge each of the women based upon their supposed relationship to Kenobi, but then again, their deaths could bring about opportunities other than the satisfaction that would come with seeing the light fade from his eyes as the Jedi began to understand the consequences that came with standing against him.

Maul took a short intake of breath and relaxed himself, the crushed metal containers floating in the atmosphere around him falling to the floor with heavy clangs. Regardless of who required his direct attention, one of these would achieve what he needed and besides, he could afford the time to be thorough with the punishment of his nemesis.
 
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(For all the Maul fans out there.)


Of Hatred and Confusion​


"Why don't we just kill him brother? Together we have the strength to avenge you upon this Obi-Wan Kenobi, no matter how long he hides within his temple and..." Savage Opress's voice rumbled within the confines of the starship's rec room, its twin bunk beds and data terminal the sole decorations to the sparse metal plating lining the hallways which made up the vessel.

"Soon apprentice, soon. But this...this should be savored, prolonged, drawn out till he understands the magnitude of what he has wrought." Maul's educated, cultured tone interrupted his sibling's questioning, transformed into little more than a guttural growl as he wrestled with his self control at the memory of that Jedi, the one whom cast him down and didn't even grant him a clean death.

"No Savage, Kenobi is not the average Jedi weakling. I grew arrogant once assuming so and paid for it. He might be blinded by his compassion and devotion to his flawed Jedi teachings, but he has some measure of skill. No, we need to...unbalance him." Maul mused thoughtfully, as he made his way to the holonet access, inputting the search he required.

"But how brother? Kill his apprentice, this Skywalker that seems to be following him about?" Oppress inquired, his bloodlust leaking into the force. Maul simply responded with an amused chuckle.

"No my apprentice. That would force confrontation upon his terms, where he has allies to call upon. This requires cunning and foresight. Disturb his inner peace and he will be vulnerable to the true power of the Darkside. Prepare the ship for departure. I will join you shortly once i have decided upon our destination."

As the vessel slowly ascended into the atmosphere, Maul was left to his thoughts, his mind adrift in a sea of discarded plans and conflicting information. It appeared Kenobi had done very well for himself, rising through the ranks of his corrupt and ineffective order, most likely riding on the wave of his success against himself. The idea that his foe had gained so much from taking the opportunity to act in that split seconds inattention burned him. His Master would have punished him severely for that kind of laxness, that weakness. He should have done better, had done better. He'd slew a Jedi Master and he was so proud, uplifted and empowered by the Darkside, its magnitude channelling its power through him. He was unstoppable, undefeatable till, suddenly he was falling and broken, left abandoned and unwanted with the rest of the flawed creations of the galaxy. Unable to move, soon unable to even think with the pain coursing through him, his nerves on fire as he clung to anything to remain afloat, stripped of everything but his hatred, his need for vengeance. His wrath.

Kenobi would suffer for what he had made him endure. But first, he needed to identify where to strike. For despite their rules about no attachments, the Jedi lived a lie. They claimed to live in peace, yet the galaxy was at war. Admittedly, not the war he had expected, the rising tide of a new power, this CNS was not a part of his masters plans he'd been informed of. Perhaps it was a recent addition. Much had changed in the past decade. It stood to reason that plans could be adapted. Perhaps it was the New Order the Master had foreseen. Perhaps it was the work of whomever had replaced him, stealing his title of apprentice to the most powerful being in the galaxy. Though he expected Dooku to hold that title, the man was an ex-jedi after all. They were hardly difficult to fool. It would make sense for the Master to have the real apprentice elsewhere, preparing for the future whilst Dooku took the fall, the brunt of the Jedi's retribution.

But where were these attachments? His homeworld of Stewjon perhaps? A fateful homecoming to a world covered in the ash of his family, his parents held to account for their long lost child's decision?

No, it would fail to have the effect he wished. Jedi lost such connections young and besides, it would establish him as a threat long before he had the ability to fight against the larger players of the galactic power struggle. He wished the completion of his retribution, but not at the expense of his long term goals, his very destiny as a Sith. No, there would be other opportunities to make his mark upon Kenobi. He would simply need to be more precise in where he struck.

The Holonet was filled with speculation, after all, Master Kenobi having become quite the celebrity. Some was frankly disturbing, even by his standards. However eventually he managed to narrow his search down to a trio of candidates.

A Jedi, A Duchess and a Rival.

Each had their possibilities, but it was unlikely such beings would allow a challenger for his affections to exist in such close proximity to their desired mate. Regardless, one of these would achieve what he needed and besides, he could afford the time to be thorough.
not yet. we can still stop this.
 
Yes, though I'm 99% certain that's going to be a Stewardship action given the severity of the repairs.
Can it be a Sienar action?

This technological regression is because the thousand years of darkness aka the longest sith vs jedi war of history. The Republic suffered a lot during those thousand years, what happened is a lot like the first and second suseccion wars on battletech, in that every university, research facility, shipyards and factory where pretty much leveled at some point or another.
The real reason is that people wouldn't be happy if the Old Republic was less advanced than canon times because it's less fun when you're playing with comparatively primitive technology in the same sci-fi setting. Combine that with the EU's previously mentioned tendency to make things bigger than canon and you have to invent a reason for technological regression.

...How? Clarify please.
The Diamond Deception was publicly owned by us. People might be able to connect the dots and cause trouble. Not very much thanks to our network, but it'll still be something our minions will have to take care of whenever it pops up.

Then there's this. Per the 'Old Republic' MMO, there's pretty much nothing left to find here 300 years after Revan or so, but that might be hand-waved as 'the inhabitants were in hiding.' If our salvage teams found the entrance to this, there might be all kinds of things on the other side, potentially an entire civilization that had sprang up in the isolated depths of the underworld....
The inhabitants were not in hiding. From a meta perspective, it wouldn't make sense for the devs to hold something back from the players for no reason instead of giving them access to as much as possible. From an IC perspective, the mission involved searching every nook and cranny for ancient secrets and no way would anyone miss anything in their desire to complete the mission, explore, kill everything, and loot the place to the ground. Not everything has to be an untouched loot box for Ciaran to open. That just makes the world feel more shallow.

That said, there were survivors who escaped the city, but they went to the Taris Underworld and integrated there, becoming just more Underworld-dwellers. Nothing special in that regard.
 
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The Diamond Deception was publicly owned by us. People might be able to connect the dots and cause trouble. Not very much thanks to our network, but it'll still be something our minions will have to take care of whenever it pops up.
The base upgrade description is about making it a public cantina franchise, so it should be connected. And what would be the problem with us being known to have cantinas? They aren't part of our less legal investments on those places.
 
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Does that make Silas the mortal avatar of the force? Because i'm okay with that.

Well someone or some thing is clearly using Ciaran.

And Silas is high on my list of suspicious people in this quest.

So it is either that or he is a secret Sith Lord who is using his army of children to destroy Palpatine and clear the way for his rule of the galaxy.

fasquardon
 
Well someone or some thing is clearly using Ciaran.

And Silas is high on my list of suspicious people in this quest.

So it is either that or he is a secret Sith Lord who is using his army of children to destroy Palpatine and clear the way for his rule of the galaxy.

fasquardon
What would his title be?
Darth Virilus?
Darth Pater?

Edit: more
Darth Familius
Darth Fertilus
Darth Lothar (io)
 
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All the interactions with Raith and Ciaran kinda make me want to pair them.

Ciaran: Take away the space ships and what would you be?
Raith: Trillionare playboy philanthropist?
 
Maul is not Asajj, so I am not sure how much Maul could be potentially rehabilitated as Asajj was. It may be possible to convince Talzin that going with the default plot would not be wise and work to help Maul reach a healthier mental state. There is always the option of eliminating them, but I would rather not go to such as the first choice. If nothing else, it might be possible to reason with Talzin that drawing enough attention from Sidious that he personally deals with the matter would be dire.
 
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