He wasn't just taught by a full-fledged Sith, he was a full-fledged Sith. Furthermore, the idea wasn't that Vectivus would teach us Sith techniques, but will instead give us general Force training, specifically excluding Dark Side techniques. The Dark Side is something we want to avoid using.
I have to say that if Quinlan is still infiltrated like in Legends, this action should be in the Intrigue section, and they should be the the two steps from one action, first we contact Tholme and/or Aayla and convince him that the operation should be cancelled, then using them as leverage we would have the chance of looking for Vos, talk to him and extract him, and when it clears his name, he can join us ( he was going to leave the order at the end of the war, so it won't be difficult to recruit)
I must say that making your own first lightsabers is an incredibly important rite of passage for both Jedi and Sith, and it is done in a heavily ritual way, so I expect an improvement in Martial, Lore and even Learning.
That is unrelated to my post. I did not argue against making ourselves a proper lightsaber, just against the usefulness of things which disrupt lightsabers or the Force.
You did not read the second part of my second sentence. The anti-Force/anti-lightsaber stuff will only be needed in small quantities, enough for a few people to use at most. We don't need to create factories to produce the stuff or anything, we simply don't need that much.
oh hey i forgot we could do that.
So swap the order 66 ( "In the event of Jedi officers acting against the interests of the Republic, and after receiving specific orders verified as coming directly from the Supreme Commander (Chancellor), GAR commanders will remove those officers by lethal force, and command of the GAR will revert to the Supreme Commander (Chancellor) until a new command structure is established.") for order 65 ( "In the event of either (i) a majority in the Senate declaring the Supreme Commander (Chancellor) to be unfit to issue orders, or (ii) the Security Council declaring him or her to be unfit to issue orders, and an authenticated order being received by the GAR, commanders shall be authorized to detain the Supreme Commander, with lethal force if necessary, and command of the GAR shall fall to the acting Chancellor until a successor is appointed or alternative authority identified as outlined in Section 6 (iv).")
True, but both @Teron and @Dr. Snark has been clear in wanting each Force-training personal action to tie together in a single theme (and single technique or family of techniques). Hence 'Blazing Chain'. Hence learning Makashi (dueling form) from Dooku. If we learn from Vectivus... yes, we could just treat it as a generic "Here's everything you need to know about the Force," but that'd be, you know... generic. Learning specifically Sith techniques from Vectivus would be far more distinctive to him.
You said it: no in-character reason to try this or to think we could succeed. If we heard about them, anything at all, then sure. But otherwise... where would we even start?
...It's up to @Dr. Snark, but I'd really prefer to avoid the Anzati. They're just creepy vampire expies. They contribute to Quinlan Vos's tragic backstory; let's leave them in the backstory.
Pretty sure this is redundant with 'reverse engineer clone commando armor'. We might be able to create armor of our own, but I think it'd be a far more effective use of our time to learn and replicate the best personal armor currently on the market.
Again: do we have an in-character reason to know about these guys? Their homeworld was destroys millennia ago, and there's only a few thousand left in the galaxy. Unless we actually meet one or find some reason to learn about their current location, I don't think we can go out and recruit them.
...I can add it, but I don't think this does much for us. When Kal Skirata and his commandos infiltrated Kamino in canon, they found that Palpatine had reached an agreement with the Kaminoans to wind down their clone production, since Palpatine was planning to use Spaarti cloning cylinders to build an army of 'flash clones' on a moon over Coruscant. We do have an action to investigate that, fyi.
Fair, but the main problem isn't recognizing that the Deshade exist, it's figuring out where they are right now in order to recruit them. Which would not be found on a holocron.
Sorry for the delay:
Dooku is trying to kill us, and finding another instructor would have to wait until, well, we find another instructor. Perhaps after we make contact with the Corellian Jedi, or find some other teacher. Asajj might work -- since she was taught by Dooku as well -- but her specialty is in the Jar'Kai dual-wielding lightsaber form. Another possibility might be Kento Marek -- the Jedi Knight who fathered Galen Marek of The Force Unleashed games, who is or will soon be living with his wife on Kashyyyk. OTOH, his grasp of Makashi is described as 'rudimentary', which does not seem promising. Frankly, I think we'd get more 'bang for our buck' trying to learn a different form entirely, since we'd need to double-down on our Makashi training with a certified expert in order to advance much further in that one discipline.
Fair point -- Ciaran isn't well suited for unarmed combat -- but I think if it ever came down to that, Ciaran would be screwed anyway. Plus she always has her lightfoil on hand. If/when we make contact with the Followers of Palawa we might be able to learn Teras Kasi, but I don't view it as much of a priority for Ciaran. Perhaps Asajj or Grievous, though.
Pretty sure this is Blazing Chain. I mean, we could learn to be experts marksmen without using the Force, but why would we bother when the Force would also let us pull off
I definitely like this, though Dr. Snark may have his own plans for how to get us started on constructing proper lightsabers. This may be a Lore action instead of a Personal Action, though.
...Half of me agrees with you -- there's so much in the galaxy to visit -- but I'm not sure Dr. Snark would go for this, since it'd just be doubling up on an option we previously selected. Perhaps, once we reclaim the Chu'unthor, we could base a second 'Discovery Corps' team from there. Or perhaps, now that we have our first Tier 3 'Abyss Walker', we could equip Kygeetu with the gear and with the support team to act as our agent on missions to archaeology sites (or our ambassador for meetings with other Force sects)...!
I actually did the quest regarding the Promised Land in The Old Republic. It turns out that the orbital bombardment destroyed most of the droids meant to serve the inhabitants. The inhabitants then began to degenerate over the generations and eventually died out. I have been there. There is nothing of value there.
I really have to say that your objection is quite illogical. You're saying we shouldn't get ourselves proper training from a powerful, knowledgeable tutor for no reason other than it's "generic". That is completely nonsensical. To shoot ourselves in the foot like that for such a needlessly obstructive reason is just bad. It's not smart. It's like learning under two different math teachers where one teaches us addition and the other subtraction, instead of just one math teacher who teaches us both. There's no sense to it.
I know that we're grey and I know that we're not light, but that doesn't mean we're under any obligation to use the Dark Side. The Dark Side is exactly as dangerous as the Jedi warn it to be and for that we should avoid it. If we do not, we would be under high risk of being corrupted by it and slipping from grey to dark. There is good reason why our Abyss Agents are banned from learning to use the Dark Side and why we have safeguards to ensure they don't fall to it. Better to stick to safe techniques: neutral and Light Side only.
Good to know, thanks.
I think you misunderstand my point. I'm talking about out-of-character mechanics -- to maintain some semblance of sanity, Teron and Dr. Snark have consistently depicted our Force training as being limited in scale & scope, so that we (for instance) learn from the Luka Sene, our reward is 'improved Force vision', not "improved Force visions and a whole bunch of unrelated Force techniques that the Luka Sene happened to teach us while we were there". Yes, in the real world, we would learn a range of skills from each of our teachers, but for the sake of quest mechanics (and for the sake of the narrative), it makes far more sense to limit what we learn so that each teacher gives us something unique & distinctive to them.
Source?
Can you clarify what those would be? Also, you seem to be using 'Dark Side' in an idiosyncratic way -- can you also clarify how you're defining it?
So... we're "gray" but only use light or 'neutral' Force techniques? Pretty sure that'd actually make us 'light side' Force users.
Oh! If that's what you were referring to, I know where it was -- that was our reward for rolling a critical success on analyzing Vectivus's holocron, back in Turn 10 in the last thread. Here you go.
I'm pretty sure you were thinking of the invisi-text -- "Darkside temptation is not going to be an issue". But note that the context was Vectivus's instructions on "how to make use of the dark side without falling victim to its various dangers." Hope that clarifies.
well there was a new thread today about it. link here https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/clarification-of-spaghetti-posting-rules.36764/
Well damn, that is exactly what I was looking for. I'd even read that bit of the update in depth in my search for the source. Thanks. However, I'd still like some confirmation from @Dr. Snark on whether or not our Agents make use of the Dark Side or not.
