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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)

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Directing through a remote location might not keep Ciaran safe, as Sidious has shown to be able to force choke people through the holonet, even when he's on the opposite side of the Galaxy.

Ciaran turning up to fight Sidious isn't because something has gone wrong, but in this situation with all the Galaxy at stake Ciaran ultimately doesn't trust anyone else to see it through. The only other people who can fight him with a chance of winning are members of the Jedi High Council and Anakin Skywalker. People who Sidious has played like a fiddle ever since he took office. All it would take is the slightest hesitation, one stinging doubt about what is happening and the Galaxy would be doomed.

In the final battle, it's a fight of Force Ideology.

For all his schemes Palpatine ultimately believes that the only true power is that of how strong one is in the Force, because if one can master the Dark Side one can command the Force and alter the reality around them. That if he obtains immortality, he will no longer need anyone else and will become the last Dark Lord of the Sith as he will never have to train another Sith Apprentice.

Ciaran believes that purely relying on The Force makes one arrogant and blind to the Galaxy around them. She got where she is today with a mixture of luck, deception and creating advantages for herself whenever possible. Ciaran has studied the Force from the texts of both sides, traveled to forgotten worlds and taken trials that tested her to improve herself and in the end she reached the conclusion that neither the Jedi or the Sith had a healthy answer to using the Force.

I imagine a fight between Sidious and Ciaran is akin to power versus utility. Sidious draws on his strength with the Force to crush this persistent problem once and for all, while Ciaran uses all the tricks she learnt from various sources to create advantages to attack from multiple directions.

If there are a few things I'd wish to see in the fight it's this:
1) Ciaran arriving on The Scimitar as a giant insult to the Dark Lord (as it was the first time we truly messed with Palpatine's plans).
2) If confronted by a group, Sidious produces a very insane cyborg Maul as a surprise weapon (because it would be unfair to leave him on a distant planet to rot, when the plot could use him).
3) Thrawn appearing either on one of those giant propaganda screens or holograms to distract Sidious (I'm of the opinion that Sidious doesn't know Thrawn is in 'civilised space', let alone that he works for us).
4) Darth Plagueis' Force Phantom convincing Anakin to side with Ciaran by showing him the Force Vision he experienced when he tried to see Anakin's future all those years ago (Darth Vader rising from the medical table) and using the age old line 'No, I am Your Father' (which is true... from a certain point of view).
5) Dangerous Enviroment to duel in (that is needed for any Star Wars final boss fight).
 
Great update!
Dr. Snark said:
Rewards: Durge confirmed dead, Silencer gains "Legend Killer" trait.
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@Dr. Snark: The Silencer's character sheet still hasn't been updated with the new trait.
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Worthy Rival (Silencer): During the Huk-Kaleesh war Grievous developed a one-sided rivalry with the Silencer, and has pushed himself to ensure that the two of them remain on equal footing. Should the Silencer's Martial Score ever exceed Grievous', Grievous' Martial Score will automatically match the Silencer's. Currently providing +3 Martial.
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Also, I'm pretty sure 'Legend Killer' will be Martial-related, which means we just boosted Grievous's Martial stat as well (!)
 
To add my two cents while Ciaran and the rest of our hero units certainly have to be directly involved Obi-Wan and the rest of the Jedi Council(especially Yoda and Windu) at least all have to not only participating but crucial to and above all considering how much Palpatine spent on Anakin he has to be a key part of the fight otherwise I feel it would be rather disappointing.

The reason is that the way I see it this isn't really a conflict between us and Palpatine, it is a conflict between him and the Jedi(and yet another round between the Sith and Jedi) with us as the third-party tipping the scales because he is in the way of our actual goals(and perhaps for nicer reasons), neither us nor Palpatine actually care about the other specifically so it doesn't fit for the climatic battle to revolve around our conflict.
 
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strauss said:
with us as the third-party tipping the scales
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That's the phrase I've been searching for! Ciaran is not the kind of person to do a frontal assault, but she is the kind of opportunist who could meaningfully contribute even in a fight between legends by surprising them at just the right moment.
 
torac said:
That's the phrase I've been searching for! Ciaran is not the kind of person to do a frontal assault, but she is the kind of opportunist who could meaningfully contribute even in a fight between legends by surprising them at just the right moment.
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Now, where would there be profit to be gained when the Jedi get obliterated by Sidious; and Sidious, barely surviving after his little Jedi council chat, gets invited to a meeting with Ciaran?
 
My favourite Endgame for Sidious is that we tear down all his allies, his plots and his hopes. Then we have him imprisoned for corruption or something. Then, after everything he has built comes crashing down, we pay him a visit and shoot him. With Ysalimiri to prevent him using the force. As far as the general public will ever know, someone he angered in the past had him assassinated.

Why honor him with a dramatic battle when you can tear him down from a proud Sith Lord who thinks he has everyone fooled into a broken old man with nothing left.
 
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Best plan is lightsaber fight because dealwithit.jpg :V

How about, instead of making plans and debating and all this stuff? We wait to see what assets we'll actually have before it starts looking like next turn is FINAL BATTURU TIME.
 
The climactic battle does make perfect thematic sense given Ciaran's position, she's a Sith Lord in her own right and with her ambitions to build a new understanding of the Force, a new order, could even be considered to be a Sith'ari if she succeeds and defeats Darth Sideous.

The Sith'ari will be free of limits.
The Sith'ari will lead the Sith and destroy them.
The Sith'ari will raise the Sith from death and make them stronger than before.

Ciaran's understanding of the Force has it's foundations in the teachings of Darth Vectivus, she learned to become skilled martially under Darth Tyranus, she learned wisdom from and was crowned a Lord of the Sith by Darth Traya and now is being pushed to power by the ambition to kill Darth Sideous.

Ciaran is a Sith, Lord of a sect of heretics, she embodies the greatest strength of the Baneite Sith, a mastery of secrets and shadows, now turned against the current Dark Lord.

The last and greatest Dark Lord of the Rule of Two vs the first of the Abyssal Sith.

The proof of the strength of Bane's Rule or the next step of the Sith.

However, I think Ciaran's final confrontation will be akin to her rise in the Galaxy, as a poison, when Darth Traya draws her blade against Darth Sideous it will be after she has demonstrated her power over the galaxy in wielding the Jedi to batter him, he shadowed minions to harry and harass him nipping at his flanks and wielding exotic weapons to further wound and hinder him.
Their duel will be her descending from the shadows to confirm his end I think, the Abyss come to swallow his last brilliant howl of rage.

I think the key to killing him forever will come from studying the death of the Force, Ciaran will devour him or otherwise learn to harness that terrible End she saw an echo of at Malachor.

EDIT: Heck! She was even raised out of the Undercity by Darth Plagueis! Pushed to the foundation of her galactic power and influence, without him she would have remained little more than a cunning Coruscant crime lord.
 
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Since when? You don't mean the Darth Traya title?
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Yep, crowned a Darth with a heretical title by a Lord of a heretical branch of 'False' Sith.

Certainly not a Sith Lord of the Baneite branch, the only claim she could make them would be learning to fight under Dooku, but immersed in Sith ways and lore.

She rejects the Sith view of the Force, but I can't see how can be seen as anything else by this point, she's pretty much the Arch-Heretic of the Sith.
 
XenonPrime said:
Yep, crowned a Darth with a heretical title by a Lord of a heretical branch of 'False' Sith.

Certainly not a Sith Lord of the Baneite branch, the only claim she could make them would be learning to fight under Dooku, but immersed in Sith ways and lore.

She rejects the Sith view of the Force, but I can't see how can be seen as anything else by this point, she's pretty much the Arch-Heretic of the Sith.
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arch heretic?
that sounds pretty nice.
 
Timewarriors said:
:???:where does the Plagueis part come from?
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Hego Damask, the man who hired Ciaran as a fixer, aide and social schmoozer, it's directly thanks to association with him that Ciaran broke into Corsucant high society, that she got her first legit business contacts.

He intended to make use of Ciaran as an asset working in the shadows and underworld, however Sideous killed Plagueis before he could tell him about their new asset.

Ciaran is quite literally a Sith project left to go wild.
 
XenonPrime said:
Hego Damask, the man who hired Ciaran as a fixer, aide and social schmoozer, it's directly thanks to association with him that Ciaran broke into Corsucant high society, that she got her first legit business contacts.

He intended to make use of Ciaran as an asset working in the shadows and underworld, however Sideous killed Plagueis before he could tell him about their new asset.

Ciaran is quite literally a Sith project left to go wild.
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Oh wow which turn was this, can anyone give me a link to that.
 
@XenonPrime, Ciaran got the Darth Traya title specifically because she isn't a Sith. To say that she is is as correct as saying that she's a Jedi. Furthermore, the title is nothing more than a title that says she's neither Sith nor Jedi. It doesn't mean anything else, certainly that she's not founding a new order/philosophy/path. She's a businesswoman, not a sage.
 
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@XenonPrime, Ciaran got the Darth Traya title specifically because she isn't a Sith. To say that she is is as correct as saying that she's a Jedi. Furthermore, the title is nothing more than a title that says she's neither Sith nor Jedi. It doesn't mean anything else, certainly that she's not founding a new order/philosophy/path. She's a businesswoman, not a sage.

EDIT: From a canon omake.
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She is Darth Traya because she rejects the Sith and Jedi positions on the Force, she learned of the Sith way first through Vectivus' Holocron and the Jedi way through the Holocrons from Dantooine.
She has seen both and turned her back on them both, but yet her core, her understanding is Sith and she has embraced the title and legacy of a heretical Sith, she denies and repudiates the Jedi in her embracing the title of Darth Traya and denies and repudiates the Sith in her control and mastery of her passions.

She could have refused the title altogether, but she, as a character, is clearly proud of the title, she doesn't call herself 'The Grey Lady' or something.

As for the philosophy point, she's certainly developing her own conception of the Force, a view that it is all a spectrum of life or something similar. Especially since she learned that it isn't just a tool.

If anything she's a Grey Sith, with a lot of focus on strength through influence and resources.

EDIT: As for the omake point, she's in full blackout drunk rambling at that point with a dash of philosophising.

I'd wager that Ciaran's basic access to the Force now has it's roots in 'use your passion' to some degree, filtered through Vectivus' ways.
 
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I dunno, hijacking the Sith and subverting their order for her own purposes seems right up Ciaran's alley.
 
XenonPrime said:
She has seen both and turned her back on them both, but yet her core, her understanding is Sith and she has embraced the title and legacy of a heretical Sith
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How is her core understanding of the Force any way Sith? Rejecting such an understanding is why she's Darth Tray. As for Darth Traya, she was not a Sith heretic. She did not consider herself truly Sith nor did anyone. She LEFT the Sith, and to call her a Sith heretic for doing that is the same as calling Ahsoka a Jedi heretic for leaving the order. Look at Darth Gravid for an example of what an actual Sith heretic is, rather than presenting a non-Sith as such.

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She could have refused the title altogether, but she, as a character, is clearly proud of the title, she doesn't call herself 'The Grey Lady' or something.
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But as Kreia herself said, as Asajj reinforces, as Ciaran reminds herself, it is nothing more than a mere title.

XenonPrime said:
As for the philosophy point, she's certainly developing her own conception of the Force, a view that it is all a spectrum of life or something similar. Especially since she learned that it isn't just a tool.
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The closest thing to her having a philosophy is her opinion is that there is no singular path that works for all people, and to not kill people just because their chosen path is different from your own. It is more accurate to say that she is transparent rather than grey or rainbow, at least as far as "what path you should take in life" goes.
 
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How is her core understanding of the Force any way Sith? Rejecting such an understanding is why she's Darth Tray. As for Darth Traya, she was not a Sith heretic. She did not consider herself truly Sith nor did anyone. She LEFT the Sith, and to call her a Sith heretic for doing that is the same as calling Ahsoka a Jedi heretic for leaving the order. Look at Darth Gravid for an example of what an actual Sith heretic is, rather than presenting a non-Sith as such.
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Traya took on the title of Sith Lord, she founded the Sith Triumvirate, created the Sith Assassins and near wiped out the Jedi, she was as much a Sith as Revan and Malak, false as they were.

And in the end she embraced the identity of Darth Traya over any otherto bring about her plans, not Master Kreia, she went to her death as Darth Traya, deep in the Dark Side.

But as Kreia herself said, as Asajj reinforces, as Ciaran reminds herself, it is nothing more than a mere title.
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Of course it is, but it's a title she clearly holds close above others, she never reacted so to being called 'Lady' other than some customary preening and certainly little else seems to prompt pride like 'Darth Traya' does.

The closest thing to her having a philosophy is her opinion is that there is no singular path that works for all people, and to not kill people just because their chosen path is different from your own. It is more accurate to say that she is transparent rather than grey or rainbow, at least as far as "what path you should take in life" goes.
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Like I said, it's something she's developing, it'll be interesting to see whether she develops this further as her understanding of the Force grows.
 
Now you all are being silly. A proper successor of Treya would manipulate everyone so that Palpatine is killed off doing something extremely stupid and he would be completely fooled until the very end.

Or do what Treya did to the Jedi by cutting them off from the force and Palpatine would have to give up the Force or die. He would inevitably choose to die than ever give up what made him special in the first place.

Maybe also manipulate Dooku and Sidious into believing that they must kill each other and pick off the survivor.

Some of you show a big lack of creativity for the demise of your enemies. I find your lack of Sith-like tactics disturbing.
 
XenonPrime said:
Traya took on the title of Sith Lord, she founded the Sith Triumvirate, created the Sith Assassins and near wiped out the Jedi
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And then left the Sith. Your logic here is the equivalent to saying that it's currently the year 2016 because at some point in time it was 2016, even though it's currently 2017.

XenonPrime said:
Of course it is, but it's a title she clearly holds close above others, she never reacted so to being called 'Lady' other than some customary preening and certainly little else seems to prompt pride like 'Darth Traya' does.
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Her immediate reaction upon getting the title was "I'm not a Sith", and when Kreia clarified, her response was basically "Okaaaay" and then moved to a topic she actually cared about, that being Shatterpoint.
 
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