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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)

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Republics are inherently unstable. We should co-opt Sidious's plan and install ourselves instead.

Yes...in place of a Dark Lord they will have a Queen! Not dark, but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the galaxy! All shall love us and despair!
 
random_npc said:
it lasted for over a thousand years, it's got to be doing something right. we can probably make something relatively stable out of it, even if it's only remaining function is to prevent war between it's members.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure it was more like twenty five thousand years.

dredloki said:
the only way to make the republic stable is to burn it down and build it back up again
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OK, seriously, what exactly do you have against the Republic and the Jedi?
 
Damn, some people have REALLY overdosed on those Republic/Jedi Bashing stories.

First, it's the suggestions of letting the entire Jedi Order be butchered by our most dangerous enemy(thus removing the only thing keeping him from absolute power over the Republic) because we apparently know better without ever being part of the Order, and it's perfectly fine to commit genocide on those arrogant, self-rigthteous, stagnant prick Jedi(even though only a tiny fraction of them are any of these things, much less all of them), because our point of view is CLEARLY superior, the ONLY one right, and NOTHING is 'evil' when WE do it, unlike the damn Jedi, who DARE to disagree.

Now, it's burn down the evil, corrupt, incompetent, useless, weak, stagnant and stupid Republic, because we CLEARLY know better, CLEARLY will do a better job, and our point of view is CLEARLY the only thing that matters, and not those arrogant, self-righteous, preachy fools who disagree!

Fucking hell.
I'm sorry for a rather emotional reaction here, but I'm having an ANEURYSM every damn time I see this shit!
The Republic has survived FOR A VERY FUCKING LONG TIME for a REASON. As did the JEDI. In spite of MULTIPLE attempts to exterminate them all by POWERFUL TOTALITARIAN EMPIRES AND BABY-EATING-EVIL FORCE ORDERS that YOU ARE PUSHING FOR.

At the very least, give some damn reasons for going KILLMAIMBURN on them that are NOT drowning in their own hypocrisy.
 
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Akasha said:
Damn, some people have REALLY overdosed on those Republic/Jedi Bashing stories.

First, it's the suggestions of letting the entire Jedi Order be butchered by our most dangerous enemy(thus removing the only thing keeping him from absolute power over the Republic) because we apparently know better without ever being part of the Order, and it's perfectly fine to commit genocide on those arrogant, self-rigthteous, stagnant prick Jedi(even though only a tiny fraction of them are any of these things, much less all of them), because our point of view is CLEARLY superior, the ONLY one right, and NOTHING is 'evil' when WE do it, unlike the damn Jedi, who DARE to disagree.

Now, it's burn down the evil, corrupt, incompetent, useless, weak, stagnant and stupid Republic, because we CLEARLY know better, CLEARLY will do a better job, and our point of view is CLEARLY the only thing that matters, and not those arrogant, self-righteous, preachy fools who disagree!

Fucking hell.
I'm sorry for a rather emotional reaction here, but I'm having an ANEURYSM every damn time I see this shit!
The Republic has survived FOR A VERY FUCKING LONG TIME for a REASON. As did the JEDI. In spite of MULTIPLE attempts to exterminate them all by TOTALITARIAN EMPIRES AND BABY-EATING-EVIL FORCE ORDERS that YOU ARE PUSHING FOR.

At the very least, give some damn reasons for going KILLMAIMBURN on them that are NOT drowning in their own hypocrisy.
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who the fuck are you talking about?
is it me?
because i haven't said anything like that.
the hole "burn it to the ground to get rid of corruption " part never meant "hey, let's kill a whole bunch of people"
it MEANT that if we want a governmental system that's not rife with corruption but works (except the lack of a actual army and the MOTHER FUCKING HUTT EMPIRE EXISTING) is to break it down to the very basic building blocks and start again before the thousand something year's of bullshit laws that only help the rich people in the government because that will always happen.
also the thing i have against the jedi is THAT THEY TAKE FUCKING CHILDREN FROM THERE HOME'S AND IT'S GODDAMNED LEGAL! WHY THE FUCK DO THE HAVE TO BE TRAINED AS KID'S? IN THE KOTOR GAME'S MOST OF THE SITH APPRENTICE'S YOU DEAL WITH ARE AT LEAST KNIGHT LEVEL AND WERE TRAINED FOR LIKE 6 YEARS FROM THE AGE OF 20!
 
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dredloki said:
also the thing i have against the jedi is THAT THEY TAKE FUCKING CHILDREN FROM THERE HOME'S AND IT'S GODDAMNED LEGAL.! WHY THE FUCK DO THE HAVE TO BE TRAINED AS KID'S? IN THE KOTOR GAME'S MOST OF THE SITH APPRENTICE'S YOU DEAL WITH ARE AT LEAST KNIGHT LEVEL AND WERE TRAINED FOR LIKE 6 YEARS FROM THE AGE OF 20!
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they ask, they don't take kids by force. it's an option that many take because growing up to be a Jedi is a fairly good life for most.
 
Akasha said:
I'm sorry for a rather emotional reaction here, but I'm having an ANEURYSM every damn time I see this shit!
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At the very least, give some damn reasons for going KILLMAIMBURN on them that are NOT drowning in their own hypocrisy.
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dredloki said:
who the fuck are you talking about?
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also the thing i have against the jedi is THAT THEY TAKE FUCKING CHILDREN FROM THERE HOME'S AND IT'S GODDAMNED LEGAL.! WHY THE FUCK DO THE HAVE TO BE TRAINED AS KID'S?
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IANAM ("I am not a moderator") but seriously. Chill out. Both of you.

Republic is corrupt. Jedi Order got a bunch of stuff wrong. The Republic also survived for a thousand years, and for all their flaws the Jedi do help ensure that the "I'm going to eat a planet now" variety of Sith don't show up or do much damage. Good? Bad? Both.

We good? Can we talk about something else?


Oh I am slain! said:
Well, with this title, a primary goal of this quest will be to commandeer the Separatists' Invisible Hand ship.
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This was the very first post in this thread not written by Dr. Snark. Seriously -- how? That's amazing.
 
random_npc said:
they ask, they don't take kids by force. it's an option that many take because growing up to be a Jedi is a fairly good life for most.
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citation needed on this.
we haven't got any conformation on the asking for the kid's (witch any caring mother wouldn't do because family is family you don't just give away your 4 month old child) in canon
there was a book/comic on a mother suing the jedi for trying to take her kid actually.
 
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dredloki said:
THEY TAKE FUCKING CHILDREN FROM THERE HOME'S AND IT'S GODDAMNED LEGAL
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I don't think any of the Jedi themselves really seem to mind it. Hell, Ahsoka talks about Plo Koon bringing her to the Jedi Temple like it's the best damn thing that's ever happened to her. I just can't recall any Jedi bitter about being taken as children. It's not like Jedi Knights storm in, lightsabers swinging, and steal all the kids they can. Even though they have a holocron pointing them to every Force sensitive child in the galaxy, they opt to leave the vast majority of them alone.

dredloki said:
MOST OF THE SITH APPRENTICE'S YOU DEAL WITH ARE AT LEAST KNIGHT LEVEL AND WERE TRAINED FOR LIKE 6 YEARS FROM THE AGE OF 20!
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Those are Sith, and the one time we see the Jedi train someone older than they'd have preferred, he became Darth Vader. Power isn't the issue, it's responsibility.

dredloki said:
WHY THE FUCK DO THE HAVE TO BE TRAINED AS KID'S
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Younger kids learn better, and are more obedient. In other words, they'll listen when you say not to mess with the Dark Side instead of becoming enamored with the Force sect that lets you shoot lightning like any teenager would.
 
dredloki said:
citation needed on this.
we haven't got any conformation on the asking for the kid's (witch any caring mother wouldn't do because family is family you don't just give away your 4 month old child) in canon
there was a book/comic on a mother suing the jedi for trying to take her kid actually.
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there is a word of god post about it when jedi numbers where discussed. give me a few minutes and i'll see if I can dig it up.


edit: nothing on the post sticks out on searching, and there are too many posts to wade though, so. @Dr. Snark do the Jedi take kids by force?
 
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Panory said:
I don't think any of the Jedi themselves really seem to mind it. Hell, Ahsoka talks about Plo Koon bringing her to the Jedi Temple like it's the best damn thing that's ever happened to her. I just can't recall any Jedi bitter about being taken as children. It's not like Jedi Knights storm in, lightsabers swinging, and steal all the kids they can. Even though they have a holocron pointing them to every Force sensitive child in the galaxy, they opt to leave the vast majority of them alone.


Those are Sith, and the one time we see the Jedi train someone older than they'd have preferred, he became Darth Vader. Power isn't the issue, it's responsibility.


Younger kids learn better, and are more obedient. In other words, they'll listen when you say not to mess with the Dark Side instead of becoming enamored with the Force sect that lets you shoot lightning like any teenager would.
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To be honest, the abundance of Sith fanfics and quests on the internet(including SB and SV) actually proves the Jedi right. Teenagers and adults WILL mess with the Dark Side, no matter how many people go insane and genocidal from it. It's just too damn tempting for them. Teaching kids from a young age is MUCH more likely to result in them staying away.
 
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Panory said:
I don't think any of the Jedi themselves really seem to mind it. Hell, Ahsoka talks about Plo Koon bringing her to the Jedi Temple like it's the best damn thing that's ever happened to her. I just can't recall any Jedi bitter about being taken as children. It's not like Jedi Knights storm in, lightsabers swinging, and steal all the kids they can. Even though they have a holocron pointing them to every Force sensitive child in the galaxy, they opt to leave the vast majority of them alone.
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To be fair we are talking about people who were essentially raised by dogmatic religious cult. Not that I'm saying the Jedi are bad or anything it's just you should keep in mind that they are an religion.
 
Aaaaaand we're still talking about it.
Dr. Snark said:
Diplomatic Status
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@Dr. Snark, do you keep this part of the front page updated each turn? I'd be interested to see our status with some other groups -- like SoroSuub, or Nightsisters, or specific systems like Taris, Pantora, Qiilura, etc.

If you'd like, here's a slight reformatting with some of the other groups included:
Diplomatic Status
Republic
- Galactic Senate: 9/10
- Republic Sienar Systems: ?/10
- Incom Corporation: ?/10
- Republic Group: ?/10
- Wookies: 7/10
- Pantora: ?/10

Separatists
- Council of Independent Systems: 8/10
- Trade Federation: 8/10
- Techno Union: 3/10
- Commerce Guild: 7/10
- SoroSuub Corporation: ?/10
- Huk: HATE/10

Neutral
- Council of Neutral Systems: 10/10
- Kalee: Yes/10
- Mandalore: ?/10
- Taris: ?/10
- Muunilist: ?/10
- Mygeeto: ?/10
- Ithor: ?/10
- Qiilura: ?/10

Non-Affiliated
- Hutt Council: 9/10
- Nal Raka Criminal Empire: ?/10
- InterGalactic Banking Clans: 8/10
- Bounty Hunters' Guild: 6/10

Force Sects
- Jedi Order: 7/10
- Luka Sene: ?/10
- Nightsisters: ?/10
- Singing Mountain Clan: ?/10
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Hope you find this helpful.

EDIT: also found this in the previous thread -- will we get a chance to make contact with the Colicoid Creation Nest at some point?
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[] The Spice must flow, Colicoids: The Colicoids meanwhile have also approached you via a contact in the Trade Federation, namely the same Neimoidian who had gotten you into contact with the TF regularly. They request your aid in gaining control over the Spice production on Kessel and in acquiring the Spice refinery facility on Nar Shaddaa, mentioning that in the later case they have considerable problems with a local slaver who controls the area. Chance of Success: 70% Reward: +1 Relation to Colicoids, various rewards
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The Colicoids are known for making droidekas, plus trifighters, plus buzz-droids... pretty much all of the best ones in the CIS arsenal.

We might also contact the Xi Char, who run Haor Chall Engineering, known for making 'vulture droids', plus TF landing ships, plus all three CIS shuttle types.
 
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I'm not one for the whole "Jedi are evil" thing, but I do think that Ciaran isn't a big fan of democracy or representation on an ideological level. If she does keep the Republic largely as is when she has the power to change it, it would likely be because it's simply easier to manipulate thanks to being the devil she knows. If she does shape galactic politics more to her liking, it would probably look a lot like how she runs her organization: A cabal of highly talented individuals working under her general supervision for galactic control and growth. ...Not really a lot of inherent checks and balances, so without a powerful figurehead like Ciaran at the center, you could expect things to devolve into courtly intrigue, factions and backstabbings within a few years or decades.
 
Publicola said:
This was the very first post in this thread not written by Dr. Snark. Seriously -- how? That's amazing.
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It was foreseen. :cool:

Wait, now we need a new primary goal! And it obviously can't be anything remotely important, like defeating Palpatine and such. That would be too obvious. Hmm.

How 'bout this: The new primary goal of this quest is to tell an enemy that they will be destroyed by market forces, and then right afterwards, send in the Invisible Hand to wreck them.

There's gotta be an achievement for that. ^_^


On a completely separate note, I remembered an amusing quote that's sorta relevant for this quest. It's not necessarily completely correct, but it reminds me of how the Abyss Watchers often operate.
Article:
"The important thing is, Hiro, that you have to understand the Mafia way. And the Mafia way is that we pursue larger goals under the guise of personal relationships. So, for example, when you were a pizza guy you didn't deliver pizzas fast because you made more money that way, or because it was some kind of a policy. You did it because you were carrying out a personal covenant between Uncle Enzo and every customer. This is how we avoid the trap of self-perpetuating ideology. Ideology is a virus. So getting this chick back is more than just getting a chick back. It's the concrete manifestation of an abstract policy goal. And we like concrete -- right, Vic?"
Source: From "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson
 
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I know I asked this before but i don't think I got an answer for it but what did we do with the gungan technology we took during our heist on Naboo?
 
Shadow-86 said:
I know I asked this before but i don't think I got an answer for it but what did we do with the gungan technology we took during our heist on Naboo?
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I just checked, and it doesn't look like we did get any Gungan tech.. We stole a bunch of Trade Federation droids (including their command-droid OOM-9...) but nothing was mentioned about stuff we took from the other two groups on the planet.

On the other hand, we did make records of Gungan equipment during our first scouting visit to the planet, so we have some idea of what they're capable of and potentially how they're constructed.
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Leave it to Gulan and in this one instance also PR-1 to meet a patroling Gungan warrior in the middle of nowhere. ... When he left again Gulan showed you that he took the time to make records of his equipment which admittedly is very interesting.
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Now that we own a base there, we might be able to set up a factory to mass produce some of the stuff -- that personal deflector shield would be especially handy...


@random_npc, are you taking requests for more 'Material Analysis' omakes. After your work on the first one, I'd love to hear your insight about some of the other research avenues we're looking at. As before, I'd be willing to reformat them if you'd like. Specifically, I was thinking of:
  1. Material Analysis of beskar/Mandalorian iron and/or 'phrik'. Both are lightsaber-resistant metals. Of the two, beskar has a longer history (with the Mandalorian Crusaders), is heavier to carry, but generally cheaper since it can be mined directly. Phrik is more recently developed and much lighter, but more expensive since it must be processed and synthesize/synthesizing process. Phrik is also incredibly malleable, and can be alloyed with other materials to add their properties to itself (cough cortosis/phrik alloy?)
  2. Material Analysis of lightsaber crystals! Apparently, Knights of the Old Republic allowed players to equip different lightsabers for different effects, some of which were pretty weird. I'd love to try to ret-con some of that stuff with science. For instance, a preliminary list based on my 'Briefing' omakes and research would include: mestare crystals (lightsaber blade isn't affected by cortosis), dahgee crystals (produce a jagged blade), daminid (produce a very broad blade), Firkann (an electrified blade, good vs. droids), Solari (very rare, extra powerful), sigil (blade burns extra hot), lignan (empower dark-side Force usage), Lorrdian gemstone (enhance general Force powers, especially battle precognition). Not to mention our own lava crystal that generates a blade with area-effect damage. That's a lot of lightsaber crystals, and here's a list of even more. For SCIENCE!
  3. Materials Analysis of hiridiu -- in its raw form, can boost a comm signal. Deployed in a proper array, massively increase to all comm equipment...
  4. Materials Analysis of agrocite -- can be used to boost a turbolaser or, potentially a handheld weapon (like a Wookie assault bowcaster...)
  5. Materials Analysis of ionite -- in its raw form, slowly depletes electrical fields & energy shields. Can be weaponized to deplete in a single shot...
 
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random_npc said:
there is a word of god post about it when jedi numbers where discussed. give me a few minutes and i'll see if I can dig it up.


edit: nothing on the post sticks out on searching, and there are too many posts to wade though, so. @Dr. Snark do the Jedi take kids by force?
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i know they force them, it's the fact that legaly? they very much could.
the old jedi are the good jedi
these jedi take the wait and see approach way to much
 
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dredloki said:
i know they force them, it's the fact that legal? they very much could
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do you have evidence to back that up? It does not mesh with the facts that there are not a lot of jedi, and that they are well regarded on the whole.

Publicola said:
@random_npc, are you taking requests for more 'Material Analysis' omakes. After your work on the first one, I'd love to hear your insight about some of the other research avenues we're looking at. As before, I'd be willing to reformat them if you'd like. Specifically, I was thinking of:
  1. Material Analysis of beskar/Mandalorian iron and/or 'phrik'. Of the two, beskar has a longer history (with the Mandalorian Crusaders), is heavier to carry, but generally cheaper since it can be mined directly. Phrik is more recently developed and much lighter, but more expensive since it must be processed and synthesize/synthesizing process. Phrik is also incredibly malleable, and can be alloyed with other materials to add their properties to itself (cough cortosis/phrik alloy?)
  2. Material Analysis of lightsaber crystals! Apparently, Knights of the Old Republic allowed players to equip different lightsabers for different effects, some of which were pretty weird. I'd love to try to ret-con some of that stuff with science. For instance, a preliminary list based on my 'Briefing' omakes and research would include: mestare crystals (lightsaber blade isn't affected by cortosis), dahgee crystals (produce a jagged blade), daminid (produce a very broad blade), Firkann (an electrified blade, good vs. droids), Solari (very rare, extra powerful), sigil (blade burns extra hot), lignan (empower dark-side Force usage), Lorrdian gemstone (enhance general Force powers, especially battle precognition). Not to mention our own lava crystal that generates a blade with area-effect damage. That's a lot of lightsaber crystals, and here's a list of even more. For SCIENCE!
  3. Materials Analysis of hiridiu -- in its raw form, can boost a comm signal. Deployed in a proper array, massively increase to all comm equipment...
  4. Materials Analysis of agrocite -- can be used to boost a turbolaser or, potentially a handheld weapon (like a Wookie assault bowcaster...)
  5. Materials Analysis of ionite -- in its raw form, slowly depletes electrical fields & energy shields. Can be weaponized to deplete in a single shot...
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i'll take a look at some of them. Though if something is too blatantly space magic it's hard to extrapolate other uses because deducing other portieres beyond "solves/creates narrative problem X" becomes impossible.
 
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random_npc said:
do you have evidence to back that up? It does not mesh with the facts that there are not a lot of jedi, and that they are well regarded on the whole.
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it's a law that the jedi have complete supervision of all force users
that can mean a lot of things and should mean that if a force user goes crazy the jedi need to deal with it
however they think it's mean take children and indoctrinate them into believe that the jedi are the best thing ever.
also the asoka is super happy about plo taking her away? that's cause plo was a rather nice jedi, if he was a sith she would still be happy about it because "power" and that before she was "weak".
remember, the jedi are a religion and the idea of people being indoctrinated inter a religion just makes me a little creeped out.
im also very tired and will later regret the thing's i'm saying
 
dredloki said:
it's a law that the jedi have complete supervision of all force users
that can mean a lot of things and should mean that if a force user goes crazy the jedi need to deal with it
however they think it's mean take children and indoctrinate them into believe that the jedi are the best thing ever.

remember, the jedi are a religion and the idea of people being indoctrinated inter a religion just makes me a little creeped out.
im also very tired and will later regret the thing's i'm saying
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do you have a source on that? specifically that they take kids rather than accept them?
 
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