The problem with Black Sun is that they will always come back. Their legacy is too long. They have too much history. Someone will always attempt to lay claim to that.
Fair point, but
Unless you outright erase the existence of Black Sun, someone will always attempt to rebuild/recreate it.
...I think we kinda did?
You had anticipated that the Black Sun would be temporarily discouraged from reforming with this mission; after Grievous' rampage you're fairly certain they wouldn't even try for fear of bringing down his wrath again.
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Grievous' successes had meant that there was a psychological disincentive to reforming Black Sun, and with your intel teams' efforts they now also faced the practical issues of a lack of leadership and an almost complete lack of finances. After all of this, you're fairly certain that the name "Black Sun" will now be a footnote in history.
 
To Thunderous Applause: Successfully Coup the Government of the Galactic Republic.

Peace Our Crime: Force both sides to the peace conference.

Romeo: Solve Obi-Wan Kenobi's Love Life.

Shadow Chancellor: Create and Run a State Within a State.

I Am The Very Model Of A Modern Sith Empress: Become Number One on the Jedi Council's Suspect List for the Identity of Darth Sidious.

The problem with Black Sun is that they will always come back. Their legacy is too long. They have too much history. Someone will always attempt to lay claim to that.


Unless you outright erase the existence of Black Sun, someone will always attempt to rebuild/recreate it.

We managed to make Grievous legendary enough in the underworld that criminals think that rebuilding the Black Sun would cause him to appear and kill everyone. One can only imagine the terror when they discover that he's going to ascend to Godhood.
 
Fair point, but

...I think we kinda did?
To Thunderous Applause: Successfully Coup the Government of the Galactic Republic.

Peace Our Crime: Force both sides to the peace conference.

Romeo: Solve Obi-Wan Kenobi's Love Life.

Shadow Chancellor: Create and Run a State Within a State.

I Am The Very Model Of A Modern Sith Empress: Become Number One on the Jedi Council's Suspect List for the Identity of Darth Sidious.



We managed to make Grievous legendary enough in the underworld that criminals think that rebuilding the Black Sun would cause him to appear and kill everyone. One can only imagine the terror when they discover that he's going to ascend to Godhood.


All it takes is one fool with more ambition than sense who manages to find one of the many hidden vaults the Black Sun have undoubtedly stashed around the Galaxy in their thousands of years of history. Then a slow increase in strength via cells across multiple worlds, leading to an eventual takeover of the underworld in some of the more distant parts of the galaxy. Then through a lot of effort and some luck they build up.

They would be unlikely to be a major threat, but to say any organization which has lasted that long is permanently broken is dangerous. Too many hidden weapons, too much lost wealth.
 
Perhaps... in a few years, once the taint with the name in the underworld dies down.

We subvert the dark sun name for ourselves, as a division of the aybss watchers dealing with the less... savory elements of the criminal underworld. The dark sun in the depth of the aybss, if you will.
 
Perhaps... in a few years, once the taint with the name in the underworld dies down.

We subvert the dark sun name for ourselves, as a division of the aybss watchers dealing with the less... savory elements of the criminal underworld. The dark sun in the depth of the aybss, if you will.

No.
 
thats not a very informative reason why not to do it.

1. We are already morally grey. Going deeper for no reason is pointless grimdark.

2. There IS no reason to do it, because Ciaran repeatedly stated that she believes stuff like slavery to be unprofitable in the long run. The only reason why anyone would do it other than 'hurr durr so edgy', is profit, which is not great enough for Ciaran to consider it, apparently.

3. Ciaran said in this very chapter that she has lines she won't cross, because doing so would make her just another monster in a galaxy full of them.

4. Crossing that line would turn her from a badass and edgy but lovable rogue into someone deplorable. The player base WILL drop.

5. If the player base drops, the omake flow will decrease, thus making the quest harder, countering whatever benefits we might have from the nasty crime.

6. Should our current situation be discovered, the reaction will be bad, but manageable. Should it happen once we start dealing with serious crime, like slave trade, we will burn all of our bridges. Like with Anakin, who used to be a slave, along with his mother. The hit will be far more devastating. Right now, we can excuse ourselves with our ruthlessness being necessary to make the galaxy a better place, and keep it that way. Once we go all the way, there won't be any excuses.
We will be clearly making the galaxy worse, just for money, which we have countless ways to gain as it is. Need will turn into greed, and drag our PR straight to Palpatine's Black Book of Perfect Blackmail. Good luck whitewashing that.
 
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@Dr. Snark, after re-reading the last round, I did notice one glaring issue: a lack of Cheriss Sair.
[X] An End To The Nightmare: Chance of Success: 70% Reward: Assault on Wesker's base planned and launched

Rolled 60 + 13 + 20 (Omakes) = 93 (Critical Success)
It was Cheriss's +8 that turns this into a Crit, but besides the initial briefing, she doesn't seem to have a role in the Operation itself.
The commandos were surprised and worried to hear that due to the absence of Thrawn and Grievous as well as the fact that Ciaran would be taking to the field overall operational control would fall to the next best commander: OOM-9, the Watchers' commander droid.
Wouldn't it make more sense to give operational command to Cheriss, with OOM-9 advising in the background? That would ensure Omega Squad doesn't have to work with a former Trade Federation battle droid, or ask questions about what he's doing as an Abyss Watcher commander. Giving Cheriss the lead is what you did in the strategy session, after all:
But bless her eager heart Cheriss actually took her position as operational leader seriously, consulting with some of the more military-minded members of the Watchers like Thrawn and Grievous when she had the time, or looked up guides on how to command and a variety of other things so she could actually be a asset to the assault plans.
Alternately, you could put Cheriss in the field, specifically in charge of the Seeker squads who are ransacking the base of any valuable intel:
...while at the same time teams of Seekers would go into the base itself to capture researchers and prevent them from destroying valuable data and equipment.
That was my original reason for picking Cheriss as hero support:
[X] An End To The Nightmare: Chance of Success: 70% Reward: Assault on Wesker's base planned and launched
-[X] Cheriss Sair

(Reasoning: Finish off Wesker, permanently, because that dude had it coming. With default bonuses (+5) and omake bonuses (+20 apiece) ... 95% chance of succeeding. Cheriss' support pushes 'Nightmare' up to 103% chance of success (and 33% chance of a crit) -- that should ensure he stays dead, and should give us better rewards thanks to Cheriss -- apparently, all Shards have "an instinctive understanding of computer technology"! That should make things easy when ransacking his base(s) for loot, and research, and info on his backers...).
 
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*reads wiki leaks*

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Quick! Build a Death Star!
 
If it ever comes up for what the individual ship's in one of our fleets are called, can we have the light ships with ominous names and the heavy ships have ridiculous names?
 
The only future for the Black Sun should be people seeking to grab any remaining parts discovering that any hidden assets have already been relocated, destroyed or freed as appropriate. Perhaps an omake of someone opening a supposedly hidden storehouse or vault only to discover a note, perhaps a recruitment offer, or having Agents following any such people if they seem on the trail of anything we have not found yet.

"Don't worry, there is no way anyone else could have found this vault." Open vault, see note.
- The Abyss Watchers thank Black Sun for this donation. Please note we are hiring promising recruits, see your local office for details.
 
3. :???: That ooze, is.... :o FUCK, why did noone tell me that STAR WARS has a fucking FLOOD INFESTATION!?! Theoretically Forerunners could fight all of Star Wars and STILL come on top , Flood beat them, and now SW has a flood-expy?!, NOT FAIR!!
Oh it get's worse. There are hints someone based a zombie plague off that thing.
 
3. :???: That ooze, is.... :o FUCK, why did noone tell me that STAR WARS has a fucking FLOOD INFESTATION!?! Theoretically Forerunners could fight all of Star Wars and STILL come on top , Flood beat them, and now SW has a flood-expy?!, NOT FAIR!!

Oh it get's worse. There are hints someone based a zombie plague off that thing.
Suddenly, I really wish Palpatine had a Death Star for us to steal.
 
A World Devastator or a Sun Crusher (minus the supernova-causing torpedoes) would be more useful to us.
 
However, one major limit of Mnggal-Mnggal is that it usually only has about a week of time to control a sentient host where as the Flood were able to control their's indefinitely.
 
… I have a sudden urge to have us take a sample of that creature to show to Palpatine, along with the information about how widespread and dangerous the disease is.
1. Taking even the tiniest piece of Mnggal-Mnggal to Coruscant is a mistake, and the exact opposite of what Thrawn warned us to do.

2. Trusting Sidious to have the galaxy's best interests at heart is foolish at best. More likely he'll think he can use Mnggal-Mnggal and fail utterly, dooming everyone.
 
… I have a sudden urge to have us take a sample of that creature to show to Palpatine, along with the information about how widespread and dangerous the disease is.

Since when is messing around with any kind of Lovecraftian shit even remotely a good idea? Unless you're Old Man Henderson, at least.
 
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Does it make any sense to bring the ... screw it I can't spell, black blob evil thing, to the attention of the Republic, CIS, and CNS so that more people are aware of the danger this thing is, or would the resulting panic and fear mongering outweigh any potential benefits?
 
There will also be people like Wesker who would seek to utilise it for... whatever they are hoping to accomplish. We will just have to exterminate it ourselves.
 
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