NexysDhyArchen
Throne Breaker
Clearly PR-1 has become force precognitive.
May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
- Thread starter Dr. Snark
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Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
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- Fólkvangr
Miss read this. Opps.
But isn't Anakin a Master Jedi training a padawan?
Panory
The Omake Dragon
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- New York
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- He/Him
Apparently that upgrade from the back of the catalog wasn't a scam!
Anakin only ever made it to Knight. It's why he threw such a hissyfit when they put him on the council but didn't make him a Master in Revenge of the Sith.
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mmmm
not that i can see. other then the cairan calling anakin a paddle-wan. but that might be intentional?
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
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- Fólkvangr
Yep. She's trying to make fun of him....
Now that I think about it Ciaran is trashing Anakin and his way of life. He shoots back once and she loses it. Very thin skinned and not that thin skinned. Whoops.
So following the discussion on this thread, I am moved to make a couple points:
*Dr. Snark made canon an omake that explicitly confirmed that Darth Plagueis is kicking around as a ghost and pulling strings in the background. That is REALLY major. Particularly since normal force ghosts can't do that. Maybe this is the special power Darth Plagueis developed to "control life and death" in action? That like Vectivus he is somehow a special category of Force spirit. (Or did Plagueis learn Vectivus' Force Phantom power? If Plagueis had Vectivus' holocron, he could have been the one who guided that holocron into Ciaran's hands as well.)
*With regards to Sith ghosts liking Ciaran because she didn't kill them and Palpatine did... Well. Killing your Master is what Sith are supposed to do. That's the graduation ceremony. Their whole approach to refining their belief system is some parody of evolution where it is literally kill or be killed - if the apprentice is too unworthy, they'll be killed by the master and if the apprentice exceeds the master they'll strike their master down and become the master. As such, the darksiders Palpatine has killed may like him better than Ciaran because he's killed them. Palpatine has proven his worthiness. Ciaran is more likely to be seen as a tool (until such time as she proves her worth).
*With regard to the nature of the Force, honestly, Star Wars canon had difficulty deciding itself. But I think it is safe to say, that the Dark Side isn't just "emotion". I've always thought that the most sensible explanation of the Dark Side is that it is basically the negatives of life - death, destruction, pain, struggle. That it isn't so much that the Force itself is divided any more than life itself is divided, but more that there are two clear and distinct "experiences" of the Force by those who use it and one part of that experience naturally leads to non-Red Sith going nutty when they use it too much.
*Building on that view of the Force, I don't think there's much difference between a "neutral" Force teaching and a "light-side" Force teaching. The key to both is self-restraint, since the Dark Side is woven into the very nature of being alive (just as the Light Side is). The difference is one of perception. As such, I don't think Ciaran founding a "neutral" sect would actually change that much. It would just be a sect with a different approach to self-restraint.
*I think people are reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally under-estimating the willingness of other Force-sects to engage in religious war. If Ciaran tries to unite all non-Jedi and non-Sith into a 3rd group... Well, alot of those groups will just see some busybody trying to force her beliefs on them and resist like Ciaran is trying to persecute them. As for the Jedi council... My memory of the movies is that the Jedi council was pretty sure their way was the best way of dealing with the Force and anyone using the title of "Darth" or "Sith" is going to get the pointy end of a lightsaber. And if Ciaran sets up an ideology expressly to compete with the Jedi there is no way they will take that laying down. "Competition" being good is already sounding Dark Side-y enough. Competition against the great and glorious Jedi will only frighten them (and we know where fear leads, yes?) We do not need Ciaran to help the Jedi Order falling to the Dark Side (which almost happened anyway in their fight against Sidious in canon).
*Kreia is a user. And Ciaran got a very easy test from her. I mean, really easy. Kreia didn't really challenge Ciaran's beliefs, or deeply question her motivations. No visions of the evil Ciaran's customers do with the information they buy from her. No visions of the misery she must have caused on Naboo. No visions of the damage Ciaran did by strengthening the CIS. No visions of the war that Ciaran is profiting from so handsomely. Or what Jabba has been able to do with Ciaran's support. Just a test barely worth the name and being given the title of Darth Traya... In the immortal words of a famous Mon Calamari "it's a trap". My suspicion, how Ciaran uses the power of the name "Darth Traya" is Kreia's true test of her.
(And yes, I do think the name "Darth Traya" is more powerful than the new shatterpoint power.)
fasquardon
*Dr. Snark made canon an omake that explicitly confirmed that Darth Plagueis is kicking around as a ghost and pulling strings in the background. That is REALLY major. Particularly since normal force ghosts can't do that. Maybe this is the special power Darth Plagueis developed to "control life and death" in action? That like Vectivus he is somehow a special category of Force spirit. (Or did Plagueis learn Vectivus' Force Phantom power? If Plagueis had Vectivus' holocron, he could have been the one who guided that holocron into Ciaran's hands as well.)
*With regards to Sith ghosts liking Ciaran because she didn't kill them and Palpatine did... Well. Killing your Master is what Sith are supposed to do. That's the graduation ceremony. Their whole approach to refining their belief system is some parody of evolution where it is literally kill or be killed - if the apprentice is too unworthy, they'll be killed by the master and if the apprentice exceeds the master they'll strike their master down and become the master. As such, the darksiders Palpatine has killed may like him better than Ciaran because he's killed them. Palpatine has proven his worthiness. Ciaran is more likely to be seen as a tool (until such time as she proves her worth).
*With regard to the nature of the Force, honestly, Star Wars canon had difficulty deciding itself. But I think it is safe to say, that the Dark Side isn't just "emotion". I've always thought that the most sensible explanation of the Dark Side is that it is basically the negatives of life - death, destruction, pain, struggle. That it isn't so much that the Force itself is divided any more than life itself is divided, but more that there are two clear and distinct "experiences" of the Force by those who use it and one part of that experience naturally leads to non-Red Sith going nutty when they use it too much.
*Building on that view of the Force, I don't think there's much difference between a "neutral" Force teaching and a "light-side" Force teaching. The key to both is self-restraint, since the Dark Side is woven into the very nature of being alive (just as the Light Side is). The difference is one of perception. As such, I don't think Ciaran founding a "neutral" sect would actually change that much. It would just be a sect with a different approach to self-restraint.
*I think people are reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally under-estimating the willingness of other Force-sects to engage in religious war. If Ciaran tries to unite all non-Jedi and non-Sith into a 3rd group... Well, alot of those groups will just see some busybody trying to force her beliefs on them and resist like Ciaran is trying to persecute them. As for the Jedi council... My memory of the movies is that the Jedi council was pretty sure their way was the best way of dealing with the Force and anyone using the title of "Darth" or "Sith" is going to get the pointy end of a lightsaber. And if Ciaran sets up an ideology expressly to compete with the Jedi there is no way they will take that laying down. "Competition" being good is already sounding Dark Side-y enough. Competition against the great and glorious Jedi will only frighten them (and we know where fear leads, yes?) We do not need Ciaran to help the Jedi Order falling to the Dark Side (which almost happened anyway in their fight against Sidious in canon).
*Kreia is a user. And Ciaran got a very easy test from her. I mean, really easy. Kreia didn't really challenge Ciaran's beliefs, or deeply question her motivations. No visions of the evil Ciaran's customers do with the information they buy from her. No visions of the misery she must have caused on Naboo. No visions of the damage Ciaran did by strengthening the CIS. No visions of the war that Ciaran is profiting from so handsomely. Or what Jabba has been able to do with Ciaran's support. Just a test barely worth the name and being given the title of Darth Traya... In the immortal words of a famous Mon Calamari "it's a trap". My suspicion, how Ciaran uses the power of the name "Darth Traya" is Kreia's true test of her.
(And yes, I do think the name "Darth Traya" is more powerful than the new shatterpoint power.)
fasquardon
I've mostly finished it, but I'm going to wait on posting it until after the other interlude(s) and Wesker mini-arc just in case I need to make any other changes.
Love this. Thanks for making everything clearer
I had an idea (plural, actually) for the omakes.
- Look over all of the canon omakes, and figure out when they took place, then sort/nest them with the rest of the ones for that turn.
- Make a separate nested threadmarks for all 'future' omakes (specifically the ones that say "not yet canon" or "currently non-canon")
- For 'non-canon' omakes, either make a separate 'nested threadmarks' thing for them. Or... add them to specific turns wherever they fit. Or... remove those individual omakes from the threadmarks and maintain a separate post with a list+links for all of the (non-canon) omakes in the quest.
Another thought I had was to change the format for how omakes are listed. Instead of listing each one by "Title (canon/non-canon)", could you relabel omakes to look like this:
"Omake (canon) - Drunken Philosophy at 3am"
"Omake (non-canon) - A Discussion of Philosophical Differences"
EDIT: or...
Canon Omake - Drunken Philosophy at 3am
So it's clear which posts are omakes and which ones are your own posts. @Dr. Snark, your thoughts?
I'm going to start compiling the list of omakes and where they should be sorted, if that will help.
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let's say your idea of the force is right (it sounds right anyway)
if so a mutual belief WOULD be different, even the idea of using the dark and light is so ludicrous and insane to pretty much all force users since the original jed'ii (i think that's how it's spelt) the people in the third neutral sect will act different in belief and battle and ability
like, in the kotor game you get to healing abilities one that's a heal of your self and others and one better one that only heals yourself but kill you enemy, like a vampire. this third side might be able to vampire someones life into another
I hate to break it to you but Ciaran knows the stuff she's caused. She doesn't care and would do it again. Like the only time she would regret it or care if it did something like that is if it lead to mass genocide. As for Naboo in specific I don't remember her actually doing anything really bad to it. I think the worst she did was prevent Nute from being found guilty and getting Borvo off Naboo before he got caught.
Of course it is. just like the second Darth Traya's was.
She failed that test by the way. Pussed out like a bitch and went back to being a Jedi.
But, then, Atris was never really that impressive. Had ideals, but not the courage to pursue them. She was only named Darth Traya as a way of fucking with Meetra.
Anyway, my point was that Kreia never ever does a thing for an obvious reason. Especially altruistic things. She thinks altruism is bad for people, makes them reliant. And she's always planning at least ten steps ahead. She's a shatterpoint master with a taste for complex schemes and a near pathological aversion to giving straight answers. Always assume there's a hidden motivation for anything she says or does.
She's the Acknowledged Grand Master and four thousand year reigning champion of Sith Style Galactic Scale Social-fu.
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- america
darth traya: did you have to deal with a bunch of obnoxious sith? and jedi? AT THE SAME TIME? i think not then
Ardion Prosili
An (im)Perfect Cell
Which is, of course, only part of the reason why Sith and Jedi tend to freak out if someone brings up 'Darth Traya'. Real conversation killer there.
The whole 'KILL THE FORCE' thing also part of it but really.
"Bitch I'm what you wish you could be when you grow up."
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- Tulsa Oklahoma
Palpatine: No, I had to deal with politicians, bureaucrats, sycophants, businesspeople who would burn their homes down for a single credit, lawyers, and Jedi who could transform coal into diamond with only their asscheeks.
And that's what you get for having to be Grand Chancellor instead of being skilled enough to pull off you entire scheme as a nobody riding around on a smuggler ship.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Darth Sidious: I had to deal with the entire Jedi Order from under their noses and fend off my apprentice's plotting.
"Being Chancellor gives me legitimate power and authority. From there, I can establish the Empire from the ashes of the Republic. Being a nobody does not give me that."
"Only because you lack the skill needed."
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
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- She/Her
"It takes skill to be Chancellor, establish the CIS and play both sides in a war. It's not easy to manipulate politics."
"And yet I arranged two wars, the extermination of the Jedi order and the culmination of my life's desire without ever stepping onto the galactic stage. Imagine that."
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- Asia
Force phantoms are a known dark side ability, where one's life is tied together with another living organism- like Voldemort and Nagini.
Plagueis' master did something different, he introduced some sort of virus that mutated the midichlorians in him, making it impossible for them be one with the force after his death.
His original plan, I think was to hang around after death and once the Chosen One had born, highjack his body.
Plagueis probably is still working on that plan.
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@Dr. Snark: here you go. Omakes are listed in the order they were published.
Canon
Not Yet Canon (You could nest this group with the 'Hypothetical Future' ones...)
Non-Canon (Hypothetical Future)
Non-Canon (...Something Else)
Index of Omakes
(for "May The Invisible Hand Be With You" quest)
(for "May The Invisible Hand Be With You" quest)
Canon
- "Thrawn Accesses the Vault" - belongs in 'Mandalorian Connection' mini-arc, after "Denouement"
- "Politics and Posturing (Part 1)" - belongs in 'Mandalorian Connection' mini-arc, after "Ciaran 3"
- "Abyss Watchers Trooper Compositions" - belongs in 'OP' info-posts, after "The Vault"
- "Meanwhile, Elsewhere In the Galaxy" - belongs in 'Operation Skyfall' mini-arc, after "Denouement"
- "Leave Your Sanity At The Edge" - belongs in 'Operation Skyfall', before "Prologue 1"
- "Dinner With Uncle Borvo" - belongs in Turn 21, before "Interlude - Ain't No Party Like A Ciaran Party"
- "Messages From the Abyss Watchers" - belongs in Turn 21, after "Interlude - Ain't No Party Like A Ciaran Party"
- "Ciaran Interrupt" (semi-canon) - belongs in Turn 22, before "The Resurgent"
- OR, delete the threadmark and link to the omake in the interlude author's notes (it's semi-canon, and mostly duplicated by the interlude)
- "Ciaran's Relatives" - belongs in 'OP' info-posts, after 'The Vault'
- "Yorvi the Hutt's Terrible Day" - belongs in Turn 23, after "Turn 23 Results"
- "Playing Favorites" - belongs in Turn 23, after "Turn 23 Results" (2nd sequel to "Yorvi the Hutt")
- "The Dark Plan" - belongs in Turn 22, after "Interlude - The Resurgent"
- "The Light Plan" - belongs in Turn 22, after "Interlude - The Resurgent" (paired w/ "The Dark Plan")
- "A Literal Blast From the Past" - belongs in Turn 23, before "Turn 23 BBY 21 Fourth Quarter" (follows after 'Rumor Mill')
- "Let's Work Together... Intern" - belongs in Turn 22, before "Interlude - The Journey Home"
- "Aggressive Negotiations" - belongs in Turn 21, after "Minilude - That Is A Terrible Idea"
- "The Weakest Link" - belongs in 'OP' info-posts
- OR pair it with "A Link To The Past" (below) and put it after Turn 22 "Interlude - The Journey Home" (technically belongs with Turn 9 results...)
- "Hey, Cousin, Let's Go Bowling" - belongs in 23, after "Turn 23 Results" (3rd sequel to "Yorvi the Hutt")
- "Boot to the Face Camp" - belongs in Turn 21, after "Turn 21 Results"
- "Down, Set, Hutt" - belongs in Turn 23, after "Turn 23 Results" (1st sequel to "Yorvi the Hutt")
- "Excerpts from Thrawn's Assessment of Grievous" - belongs in Turn 21, after "Turn 21 Results"
- "Self-Betterment" - belongs in Turn 21, after "Interlude - Ain't No Party Like A Ciaran Party"
- "At Least We're Not Related" - belongs in Turn 23, after "Turn 23 Results" (4th sequel to "Yorvi the Hutt") -- made canon by Turn 23 results?
- "Duel" - belongs in either Turn 21 or Turn 22, after "Rumor Mill"
- "A Totally In-Character Meeting" - belongs in Turn 22, after "Turn 22 BBY 21 Third Quarter"
- "Checkmate" - belongs in Turn 21, after "Minilude - That Is A Terrible Idea" (1st sequel to "Aggressive Negotiations")
- "For Old Times' Sake" - belongs in Turn 22, after "Rumor Mill" (?)
- "Snips Plays Games Unfairly" - belongs in Turn 21, after "Minilude - That Is A Terrible Idea" (3rd sequel to "Aggressive Negotiations")
- "A Link To The Past" - belongs in Turn 22, after "Interlude - The Journey Home" (1st sequel to "The Weakest Link")
- "Employment Benefits" - belongs in Turn 22, after "Interlude - The Journey Home" (sequel to "A Link To the Past")
- "All About Image" - belongs in Turn 21, after "Minilude - That Is A Terrible Idea" (2nd sequel to "Aggressive Negotiations")
- "Total War" - belongs in Turn 23, after "Rumor Mill"
- "Declassified Abyss Watchers Document" - belong in Turn 23, after "Turn 23 Results"
- "Reactions to the Treaty of Caamas - The Shadows" - belongs in Turn 23, after "Interlude - The Tears of Caamas"
- "Drunken Philosophy at 3 AM" - belongs in Turn 23, after "Interlude - Echoes of Malachor"
Not Yet Canon (You could nest this group with the 'Hypothetical Future' ones...)
- "The First Link" - near future (Ciaran learns Blazing Chain)
- "The Most Dangerous Game" - near future (Ciaran hires Cad Bane to threaten Count Dooku)
- "Will The Real Ciaran Please Stand Up?" - near future (Ciaran hires Zam Wessel to impersonate her due to assassination threats)
- "Cata Family Road Trip, Pt. 1" - near future (Silas Cata leads expedition to Jedha)
- "Cata Family Road Trip, Pt. 2" - near future (Silas Cata leads expedition to Jedha)
- "Reciprocation" - near future (Galvin returns from Jedha with kyber crystal for Cheriss) - sequel to 'Road Trip'
- "Overextension" - near future (Thrawn defeats Sevrance Tann and steals her flagship at Onderon)
- "A Discussion of Philosophical Differences" - near future (Ciaran reveals her Darth Traya title to Yoda)
- "Chain of Command" - near future (Tryo convinces Asajj Ventress to learn Blazing Chain techniques)
Non-Canon (Hypothetical Future)
- "Epic Showdown of the Fates" - far future (post-defeat of Palpatine)
- "Best of Holocrons, Worst of Holocrons" - far future (Anakin's grandchildren discover Ciaran's holocron)
- "A Possible Future" - far future (Anakin leads reform of Jedi Order) -- I suggest nesting the other hypothetical omakes beneath this one
- "A Possible Future: Factions" - far-future (Galaxy splits into four states - Jedi Republic, Rebel Alliance, CIS, and Empire of the Rim)
- "Top of the List" - near future (Ciaran unmasks Palpatine as Darth Sidious in front of whole Senate)
- "The Defibrillator of Liberty" -near future (Ciaran hires Galvin to assassinate Palpatine after declaration of Galactic Empire)
- "The Rule of Two" - near future (Turn 23: Ciaran reveals 'Darth Traya' title to Palpatine and Dooku)
Non-Canon (...Something Else)
- "Jack the Ripper" - ???
- "A Twilek Visits Darth Vectivus" - recent past (Turn 22: Twilek visits Vectivus's Home shortly after Ciaran's visit there)
- "Non-Profit Fan-Based Parody" - alternate universe (Ciaran visits world of Dragon Ball...) - nest other omakes under this one?
- "Thrawn Tackles The Issues" - recent past (Turn 23: Thrawn assaults anti-Mandalore protestors)
- "A Good Speech, A Wrong Occasion" - recent past (Turn 23: Jango gives Hitler-esque speech at peace summit)
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