Lights... Camera... ACTION!!: A Hollywood Quest

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

So we have some bad news.

The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

I'll see you all around.

With so many regards, Duke William Of.
 
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THe only thing I can say is is.... Oops.

Its all our fault for launching huge blockbusters decades early.

Hopefully, Murdoch will get board. Or he'll see the huge amount of money hes making and... well...

shit. :(
I loved this Sidestory, and the whole "Rupert Murdoch buys Fox really hit me out of nowhere (though it shouldn't have). Man, we really brought the age of billion dollar movies way too early. We still should make sure that middle budget and low budget projects never die liek they're doing right now though.
Most of the movies that Lucas films make are low-budget or mid-budget though. Hell Star Wars was only 15 million.

Five Dates was only like 5 million, and half the stuff we make are basically under 50 million or less.

we haven't made mega budget films like other studios will be attempting to do.
 
...As far as the whole communist thing...

Wouldn't be suprised if there might be a situation where groups like unions try to distance themselves from the new pariah on the world stage, while people like corp leaders have a field day making conections between things they don't like and communism... 😅

"We really should do something about the escelating healthcare costs!"
"BUT NATIONALIZING INDUSTRIES IS COMMUNIST!"
THe only thing I can say is is.... Oops.

Its all our fault for launching huge blockbusters decades early.

Hopefully, Murdoch will get board. Or he'll see the huge amount of money hes making and... well...

shit. :(

Most of the movies that Lucas films make are low-budget or mid-budget though. Hell Star Wars was only 15 million.

Five Dates was only like 5 million, and half the stuff we make are basically under 50 million or less.

we haven't made mega budget films like other studios will be attempting to do.
Well, looks like we may be seeing overbudget movies in the future. For better or worse this is gonna curtail creativity due to pressure to deliver. So the industry outside of the Greats look to be driving themselves into a rut, just in time for the gaming industry to explode because of the rut they themselves landed in, with their leader selfdetonating.
 
Is Microsoft/ bill gates already established and do we still got some chance to invest in them for some shares?
 
Would be best to military industrial complex, banks and tech, just something that will keep earning money forever
 
Would be best to military industrial complex, banks and tech, just something that will keep earning money forever
Tech is possibly the safest? Unless we end up investing in a dead-end tech.
Military Industrial Complex kinda relies on having customers, and in post-cold war, a great culling was enacted because the scale of suppliers wasn't seen as needed anymore.
And banks, I am not sure if they actually make money through their direct purpose, besides the fees their customers need to pay. Don't they make money mostly by stocks and such? Like, the whole reason the Great depression was so bad was because everyone, and the banks lost tons of money, and then people demanded to withdraw their money. Of which, the banks didn't have, having lost it to the stock market. 😅
 
Well all I'm going to say is that, while Lucasfilms is inadvertently causing global chaos, at least we can take solace in the fact that Bruce is making fuck loads of money.

And George is doing what he loves best, making all sorts of cool shit to make movies better.
 
Movie Pitch: Wonder Woman
You know, despite all the shit I'll give Zach Snyder for how he thoroughly misinterpreted both the characters of Batman and Superman, I have to give credit where credit is due. Which means, I have to praise the guy for having made a darn good Wonder Woman movie. Now, many will point that Patty Jenkins was the one who directed it, but I think we all know by now that Zach Snyder had already written the script and basically done nearly everything needed for the movie to be what it was. It is telling that when Jenkins was given a free hand for the sequel, it had nothing that could compare it to the previous one in tone, script, or even imagination.

Frankly, I'm amazed that the Wonder Woman movie was that good. It really was something new and original from what I was expecting it to be, and I think it should be given the chance to shine now in a DCU that is actually going to be good. With some small changes of course, I don't think I need to explain how the ending itself was just...awful, so awful. It had a good subversion, a good message, and then it turns out that Ares was the one causing the war as expected, but Diana just had the wrong target. It could've been so much better with some changes at the end. Which I have added with the rest of my actor's selections.

As such, I give you:

Movie Pitch:
Wonder Woman


GENRE: Action/Adventure/War

SUBGENRE: Fantasy/Science Fiction/Romance

FORMAT: Movie

Set Up: Based on the DC character of the same name created by William Moulton Marston and Harry G. Peter. The story tells of the Amazon princess Diana as she sets out to stop World War I, believing that the conflict was started by the longtime enemy of the Amazons, Ares, after American pilot and spy Steve Trevor crash-lands on their island Themyscira and informs her about it. In her search for the truculent God of War, she soon finds that conflict and "Man's World" is more complex than one would have expected.

Director: Richard Donner
Composer: Elmer Bernstein

- Ares is not the Main Villain. He did not even want to fight Zeus in the first place. The reveal at the end, when Ares makes his appearance, has Ares taunt Diana about how he is not the cause of the war, and when she doesn't believe him, Ares has her use her Lasso of Truth on him as he tells him a story: The Greek Gods, who at the beginning are shown to have been good, and created the humans were actually the bad guys all along, creating humans in their image just to alleviate their boredom, and then toying when their lives when they grew tired of them. Because they were made in the old Gods image, humanity was just as bad, greedy, and destructive as they were.

- Ares did not care for humans, but neither did he deemed them important enough to destroy. As the humans forgot the old Gods, they warred against each other, increasing Ares' power. The Other Gods, seeing what was happening tries to destroy the humans sending plagues disease and hunger, but that caused them to only fight even harder. Ares soon became the strongest God, and the others rallied against him. Ares did not even fight back that much as he still cared somewhat for them, not that he needed as he was stronger than them together by that point. It took Zeus using nearly all of his power in a final desperate blow to strike him down and banishing him to Earth.

- Ares can't affect what happens in the world, he can't even be seen by the humans. He's just a spectator that's been seeing them through millennia, and his opinion on humans hasn't changed. They're just as evil, destructive, backstabbing, as they had always been. he does not see anything positive about them, but neither can he kill them, nor does he want to. Their very own wars of destruction give him power, and this Great War will perhaps give him back the power he lost in the final confrontation to return once more to Olympus. He entreats Diana to go back to Themyscira, and even vows on his honor to never harm the amazons or attack them as he respects them too much. Then he just leaves

- Dr. Poison is the true Main Villain, and is upgraded as such (she should not laugh). She serves as a foil for Diana; both extraordinary woman, both fighting in war, but in different societies. In the end, she takes the bomber plane to launch her chemical weapons on London to win the war. Steve manages to catch up and enter the bomber, where he fights his way through the soldiers there to try and stop her. After Ares disappears, Diana meets with Chief, Charlie and Sameed, discussing their options and making a plan, Chief can hotwire one of the planes to start, but does not know how to fly it. Sameer mentions his nephew Andre once taught him how to, so he can fly it. Charlie accompanies them to man the gun in the plane, while Diana uses her Lasso to hold herself as she stands in one of the wings (like the acrobats of before).

- They have to fly, and fight, through the entire screen of fighters accompanying the bomber as they approach. Diana jumps to the bomber, and struggles before opening the door and entering, finding Dr. Poison holding Steve at gunpoint. Both have a conversation, where Diana tries to have her stand down, as she tries to make her see she does not want to do this. Dr. Poison seems to vacillate, before apologizing, breaking some of the poison bombs, and jumping out. Steve has Diana leave before the poison kills her, gifting her his watch and kissing her before she leaves and he crashes the plane into the ocean, dying.

- We have the final scenes where we see the end of the war, the men go back to their lives, and Diana creates her own. Seeing the world change, now living as a Curator/Archeology specialist in the modern world. The picture of her and her friends from back then still in her possession.
Diana Prince/Wonder Woman: She is an Amazon warrior princess and one of the world's first superheroes, known as Wonder Woman. She is the daughter of Queen Hippolyta and Zeus, the king of the Old Gods. Diana is a very kind, loving, compassionate, and strong-willed person, who, while initially somewhat naïve, has become all the wiser through her time in Man's World. She's also a bit of a naïve idealist, believing that the war was solely caused by Ares, and defeating him would make everyone good again. The discovery that Ares had nothing to do with it disillusions her, but Steve's love and sacrificing nature made her see that humanity did have something worth fighting for.

Played By: Jane Seymour
Alternate: Kim Cattrall

Captain Steve Trevor: He is a United States Army Air Service officer who worked for British Intelligence as a spy, as well as an ally and lover of the superheroine Wonder Woman, being literally the first man she had ever met. Steve Trevor, as a soldier, was remarkably courageous and determined, while also being a capable spy. Though somewhat cynical and narrow-minded, seeing Diana's compassion and unbreakable spirit in action renewed Steve's hope, boosting his morale and energizing him to no longer hesitate against seemingly insurmountable odds. He selflessly sacrificed himself to thwart Dr. Poison's plan and finally end World War I for good.

Played By: Harrison Ford
Alternate: Bill Pullman

General Erich Ludendorff: He is a general of the Imperial German Army, and an ally of the nefarious Dr. Poison. He gained metahuman powers by inhaling a special gas developed by Dr. Poison, but was eventually killed by Wonder Woman, who mistaken him for Ares and that his death would finally end all wars. He is as an extremely megalomaniacal, ambitious, ruthless and relentless individual, seeking to win World War I at any cost with Doctor Poison's chemical weapons, and not hesitating to shoot his men or officer peers at the slightest disagreements with him. Due to his enhanced condition, Diana believed him to be Ares, though she later finds out that's not the case.

Played By: Donald Sutherland
Alternate: George C. Scott

Dr. Isabel Maru/Dr Poison: She is the loyal ally of General Erich Ludendorff who developed mustard gas for Germany during World War I. A brilliant, passionate chemist that works for Ludendorff due to the lack of opportunities everywhere else. She's an exceptionally selfish, cold, and ruthless person, having a poisoned nature (described as a psychopath by Steve Trevor). Her willingness to fully wipe out the Allied Powers with her lethal gas rivals that of General Ludendorff himself. Her loyalty to Ludendorff for his help is deep, to the point of willing to sacrifice herself to let the plan succeed.

Played By: Meg Foster
Alternate: Anjelica Huston
Sir Patrick Morgan: He's a staunch Allied Powers supporter, with him notably funding the "Wonder Men", a group special forces soldiers) for their military expedition to find and defeat General Ludendorff, with Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor leading them. Though initially dismissive of Diana, he comes around as he sees what she's capable of doing, hoping she can break the stalemate and end the war.

Played By: Patrick Stewart
Alternate: Michael Caine

Etta Candy: She is Steve Trevor's secretary, as well as a good friend of Wonder Woman during World War I. Etta is very friendly, affable, bubbly, and talkative, as well as an adamant advocate for female suffrage and equality. Hence, she took an instant liking to Diana when the latter naively compared the job of a secretary to slavery, which Etta seemed to interpret as Diana calling out the inequality of genders at the time.

Played By: Edie McClurg
Alternate: Dawn French

Sameer: He's an ally of Diana and Steve during World War I and a member of the "Wonder Men". Sameer is charming, open-minded, improvisational, and intelligent, though he has an occasional penchant for spinning elaborate lies. As an Arab, Sameer is bitter about his race complicating his lofty ambition to become an actor, but he resolutely maintains the ambition nonetheless. While he initially only has purely monetary interests when joining, seeing Diana's compassion and unbreakable spirit inspires him past the point of sheer profit,

Played By: Amrish Puri
Alternate: Roshan Seth

Charlie: He's an ally of Diana and Steve during World War I. He was also a member of the "Wonder Men". Due to having gone through some horrific ordeals in the war he gained long-lasting PTSD, and depression, to the point of having a penchant of getting drunk and engaging in bar brawls. Diana's compassion and unbreakable spirit in action renews Charlie's hope, boosting his morale and energizing him past the point of purely monetary interests, to the point that Charlie sings and plays the piano for the first time in years after the battle.

Played By: Patrick Duffy
Alternate: Nick Nolte

Chief: He is a Native American who became a skilled smuggler during World War I. He is also an ally of Steve and Diana, and a member of the "Wonder Men". Chief is kind-hearted, soulful, pensive, open-minded, and intelligent. Chief is bitter about his people losing their land to white Americans, and hence he resolved to stay neutral in the war, profiting from both sides. His experiences with Wonder Woman and his friends inspires him to fight against the Central Powers.

Played By: Wes Studi
Alternate: Will Sampson
Queen Hippolyta: She is the Queen of the Amazons, a former lover of Zeus and mother to Diana. Hippolyta is an extremely capable and skilled leader, as well as an equally courageous warrior. However, her experiences have also made her very embittered against humanity and very overprotective of her daughter, to the point of outright deceitfulness and strict rules against Diana even learning Amazonian combat. She eventually allows her to leave with Steve, but warns her she may never return Themyscira.

Played By: Lynda Carter
Alternate: Ursula Andress

Antiope: She is the general of the Amazons, the sister of Hippolyta and the aunt of Diana. Antiope personally mentored her beloved niece, Diana in combat training for centuries leading up her death. She perished during the German invasion of Themyscira, sacrificing herself to save Diana's life during the attack. She did not die in vain, however, as her sacrifice inspired Diana to finally leave the island and save "Man's World" from what she believed to be Ares' machinations.

Played By: Stockard Channing
Alternate: Diana Rigg

Ares: He is an Old God who was commonly worshiped as the "God of War", and the most fearsome son of Zeus, who was worshiped by the Ancient Greek and Roman civilizations. Though the Amazons were told they were created as a check against him, in reality Ares cares not about the Amazons or humanity, who he sees as unworthy of even fighting for. He's just an observer, and can't influence anyone due to his lack of powers. The jealousy and bitterness of his fellow Gods had him being cast aside, and he now waits for the moment his powers return.

Played By: Patrick Swayze
Alternate: Alan Rickman

A.N.: So, I think the changes to the ending work as they add some pretty good cooperation between all the group and have them all be present at the final confrontation. Diana being able to at least talk to Dr. Poison shows that she's learning to be more empathic, and Steve's sacrifice, though similar to OTL Captain America, also makes sure to explain why he is no longer present. Plus, it will be something no one would see, as the TV Show has either Steve Trevor or his son/nephew being constantly present.
 
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Darn. Excellent Job @Kaiser Chris

I loved this Sidestory, and the whole "Rupert Murdoch buys Fox really hit me out of nowhere (though it shouldn't have). Man, we really brought the age of billion dollar movies way too early. We still should make sure that middle budget and low budget projects never die liek they're doing right now though.

Thanks. As for the whole Murdoch storyline, well when I was writing this I figured that it should also be about the state of Fox considering that Alien just saved the company and thus it lead me to explore just how it's future would be affected. OTL, the current leadership was rather incompetent and bland in personality, and without Alan Ladd I don't think they'd last long as independents. OTL, Fox would be sold in 1981 to Marc Rich and Marvin Davis. However, Rich would later become a fugitive for trading with Iran during the hostage crisis so his assets were frozen, which were then bought by Murdoch and Davis sold his shares to Murdoch because he couldn't afford to continue and wasn't really passionate about making movies. I was tempted to have things play out as OTL and thus have Bruce buy out Fox when Rich's assets are frozen, but I thought that was a bit too gamey and wouldn't make for good storytelling, thus leading to Murdoch buying Fox early, a move I was inspired by Succession.

I asked Magoose if this could be done and he said it could, and thinking about it I think this is a very likely outcome. Rupert is all about empire building and at this point he's buying newspapers and magazines left and right to grow his media influence to dominate the English speaking world. Here we have films dominating the social scene along with making shitloads of money and in some cases like Star Wars and Dracula, are actually able to inspire massive social change which is the kind of effect that Rupert desires. So he swoops in and buys Fox considering it's rather cheap and an untouched company for him to mold, and thus Rupert enters the game as another foe. So largely expect Fox to act like it did from 1985 onwards and perhaps due to butterflies we may have Fox News come before CNN.

I wouldn't worry too much about middle budgets going the way of the dinosaur, at least for now. None of our movies have passed 50 million and we're the ones with Star Wars plus our low budgets tend to have insane returns like how Rocky made a third of a billion dollars off of a one million production budget. While other studios want spectacle, at the same time they want maximum profits and will look to copy Lucasfilms' example of mid budgets and huge ass profits, something UA is shockingly achieving with their million budgets machines. Well all except for Universal who believe you gotta spend a shit ton of money to make a shit ton of money.

3rd Red Scare time?

IIRC correctly the others are:
1st Red Scare (1920) - Oh shit the communists actually overthrew an established government. That could happen to us one day!
2nd Red Scare (Post WW2/McCarthy) - The Soviet military looks pretty scary and they have spies everywhere. We need to stay on our guard!

The Communists will definitely be the boogeyman of foreign affairs, but I don't think this will lead to an outright Scare domestically as there's too many people in power who remember the abuses and fearmongering of McCarthy to let such a witch hunt happen again, not to mention that JFK and Johnson had strong Leftist policies that helped a lot of people. Actual sympathy and support for Communism will still be a no-no, but Congress would probably be far more lenient in supporting Reagan's foreign policy and military adventures.

...As far as the whole communist thing...

Wouldn't be suprised if there might be a situation where groups like unions try to distance themselves from the new pariah on the world stage, while people like corp leaders have a field day making conections between things they don't like and communism... 😅

"We really should do something about the escelating healthcare costs!"
"BUT NATIONALIZING INDUSTRIES IS COMMUNIST!"

Well depending on how things go, we might see a lot more Unions try to present themselves as the same vein of good guy as Solidarity.


Why no Linda Carter as Wonder Woman?
 
I have to praise the guy for having made a darn good Wonder Woman movie.
You wound me!


Seriously though, might be a hot take, I don't know, but Wonder Woman is not a good movie. Like...at all. I remember liking it the first time I saw it, but then again, I watched in while I checked myself into a psych ward to deal with some serious personal issues, so make of that what you will. I rewatched it a couple of times, and each time I realize just how much worse it actually is. I'm not going to break it down or anything since this isn't the place for that, but yeah, I'm firmly in the "not good" camp. It's a fun camp, you should join! We've got kayaking, and crafts, and fishing, and smores, and movie nights, and so much more! :p :D
 
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Well depending on how things go, we might see a lot more Unions try to present themselves as the same vein of good guy as Solidarity.
So long as they avoid that mental infection known as Communism (and can recognize it when it adapts and changes to a different host) then we'll be fine.
Why no Linda Carter as Wonder Woman?
I wanted to try and make a clear divide between the TV Shows and the Movies. Still, I also could not ignore her either so I put that she could perhaps be Hippolyta...then I saw a picture of Ursula Andress and I had to add her.
I'm not going to break it down or anything since this isn't the place for that, but yeah, I'm firmly in the "not good" camp. It's a fun camp, you should join! We've got kayaking, and crafts, and fishing, and smores, and movie nights, and so much more! :p :D
Yes, but do you have cookies? Of the chocolate chip variety? :p
 
I was tempted to have things play out as OTL and thus have Bruce buy out Fox when Rich's assets are frozen, but I thought that was a bit too gamey
What does 'too gamey' mean? If Bruce can buy pieces of Warner Bros. fair and square, then why is Fox going 'too far'? You're implying that LucasFilm is a gigantic company while it's one of the smallest if not the smallest in Hollywood.
 
Hey guys, I was just checking on Wes Craven to see if there was any movie that could be perhaps used to have him join Lucasfilms, and unfortunately I couldn't find any. The first "Nightmare on Elm Street" movie was written in 1981, and at the monment he's just trying to find work and someone who will hire himm for perhaps something more than just horror.

Interestingly, at this point Wes Craven has pretty much resigned himself to the idea that he will just be known, and hired, for Horror films, yet he wants to do more than that. And you know, much of his filmmaking style does seem to hint at someone that can do good suspense and psychological thrillers as well.

To quote: "Craven's works tend to explore the breakdown of family structures, the nature of dreams and reality, and often feature black humor and satirical elements."

So, I think that perhaps next turn we contact him and offer hi the chance to become one of Lucasfilms new directors, he would be able to choose from the writing room the films he wants to do (like all of our directors can I assume) and we get him for his future movies as well (save for Swamp Thing).

I mean, perhaps it sounds a bit crazy, but what do you guys think of The Shining directed by Wes Craven?
 
What does 'too gamey' mean? If Bruce can buy pieces of Warner Bros. fair and square, then why is Fox going 'too far'? You're implying that LucasFilm is a gigantic company while it's one of the smallest if not the smallest in Hollywood.
Eh I wouldn't say we're the smallest.

At least not anymore. We're quite possibly the smallest in production wise numbers for films but we are by no means small anymore. ILM itself is being used in a lot of films and everything we've done has pushed the industry forward has only made the name Lucasfilms seem synonymous with quality, and everyone is so excited about Lucasfilms that it's impossible to say that… without question:

Anytime we release a film it will not only make money but it will change how people look at films and how they are made.

Also money from franchise and merch.

And uh Bruce is one of the biggest draws for an actor for at least another decade.

At least.

Actual sympathy and support for Communism will still be a no-no, but Congress would probably be far more lenient in supporting Reagan's foreign policy and military adventures
Well if Regan still does his thing in Latin America with the contras…

Congress might be more willing to open the check book and ignore the fact that they sell cocaine.

Or he won't get involved and decides to find another Latin American ally in Nicuragua.
 
The Greek Gods, who at the beginning are shown to have been good, and created the humans were actually the bad guys all along, creating humans in their image just to alleviate their boredom, and then toying when their lives when they grew tired of them. Because they were made in the Old Gods image, humanity was just as bad, greedy, and destructive as they were.
This is still the part of the film I disagree with the most, given that it's a known fact that humanity evolved in all of DC's main continuities.

But in mentioning that, there might be a solution in Hesiod's Five Ages of Man.

For context, in that legend, in the First Age (Gold) they were made by the hand of Kronos and lived like gods, never knowing sorrow or toil, and if they died it was like falling asleep, becoming daemons (in the Hellene context, lesser divinities) who walked the earth; this age ended when Zeus slew Kronus. In the next ages (Bronze and Silver), Zeus purposely made humanity inferior and ensured that they were to work and toil away in the fields, with these Ages ending when Zeus unmade them, Silver for refusing to worship the gods and Bronze for being far too warlike. The fourth age, the Age of Heroes, is the classical period of when the Heroes of Greek Legend walked the Earth, when the gods favored humanity most of all...ending in cataclysm, with the opening of Pandora's Box. The Fifth Age (Iron), mankind made by Zeus became evil and selfish, burdened with weariness and sorrow, piety and other virtues disappeared and most of the gods who were left on Earth abandoned it, for this humanity was made with Iron, the hardest metal and the most troublesome to work, forged in fire and hammered.

I think that, for the purposes of a wider DC plot, Ares should reveal that while Humanity had never been created in the Old Gods' image (Olympian Propaganda), but that Zeus and the others had reset Humanity's development on multiple occasions (leading to the Atlanteans, homo magi, etc. reveal later in the franchise) in order to make them into the Olympian Ideal, and would have again reset Humanity long ago if not for their "untimely" demise.
Queen Hippolyta: She is the Queen of the Amazons, a former lover of Zeus and mother to Diana. Hippolyta is an extremely capable and skilled leader, as well as an equally courageous warrior. However, her experiences have also made her very embittered against humanity and very overprotective of her daughter, to the point of outright deceitfulness and strict rules against Diana even learning Amazonian combat. She eventually allows her to leave with Steve, but warns her she may never return Themyscira.
While untrue in most DC continuities, I think that for the purposes of the film and the narrative you seem to be telling, that this version of the character should have some of her Greek Myth origin reinstated, that of her father being Ares, adding to the web of Olympian lies told to her.
Ares: He is an Old God who was commonly worshiped as the "God of War", and the most fearsome son of Zeus, who was worshiped by the Ancient Greek and Roman civilizations. Though the Amazons were told they were created as a check against him, in reality Ares cares not about the Amazons or humanity, who he sees as unworthy of even fighting for. He's just an observer, and can't influence anyone due to his lack of powers. The jealousy and bitterness of his fellow Gods had him being cast aside, and he now waits for the moment his powers return.
Considering that the works of Claudia Nerva have been uncovered and are yet to influence pop culture*, I'd like to include two facts: that Ares has a heavy inclination to just work on his farm, akin to Cincinnatus, and so should be tending to his crops while waiting for his powers to return, and that Ares is father to Hercules, changing the narrative the narrative slightly so that what happened between them was the result of Sibling Infighting/Jealousy, making it so much worse for how it ended in the style of Greek Tragedy's of old.
- What's going on with the research into Claudia Nerva's stash? Is Bruce watching the developments on that closely? Has it influenced anything new in pop culture from it?
Claudia's stash has mostly given the Roman middle class a spotlight.

And it hasn't that much yet.
 
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You know, despite all the shit I'll give Zach Snyder for how he thoroughly misinterpreted both the characters of Batman and Superman, I have to give credit where credit is due. Which means, I have to praise the guy for having made a darn good Wonder Woman movie. Now, many will point that Patty Jenkins was the one who directed it, but I think we all know by now that Zach Snyder had already written the script and basically done nearly everything needed for the movie to be what it was. It is telling that when Jenkins was given a free hand for the sequel, it had nothing that could compare it to the previous one in tone, script, or even imagination.

Frankly, I'm amazed that the Wonder Woman movie was that good. It really was something new and original from what I was expecting it to be, and I think it should be given the chance to shine now in a DCU that is actually going to be good. With some small changes of course, I don't think I need to explain how the ending itself was just...awful, so awful. It had a good subversion, a good message, and then it turns out that Ares was the one causing the war as expected, but Diana just had the wrong target. It could've been so much better with some changes at the end. Which I have added with the rest of my actor's selections.

As such, I give you:

Movie Pitch:
Wonder Woman


GENRE: Action/Adventure/War

SUBGENRE: Fantasy/Science Fiction/Romance

FORMAT: Movie

Set Up: Based on the DC character of the same name created by William Moulton Marston and Harry G. Peter. The story tells of the Amazon princess Diana as she sets out to stop World War I, believing that the conflict was started by the longtime enemy of the Amazons, Ares, after American pilot and spy Steve Trevor crash-lands on their island Themyscira and informs her about it. In her search for the truculent God of War, she soon finds that conflict and "Man's World" is more complex than one would have expected.

Director: Richard Donner
Composer: Elmer Bernstein

- Ares is not the Main Villain. He did not even want to fight Zeus in the first place. The reveal at the end, when Ares makes his appearance, has Ares taunt Diana about how he is not the cause of the war, and when she doesn't believe him, Ares has her use her Lasso of Truth on him as he tells him a story: The Greek Gods, who at the beginning are shown to have been good, and created the humans were actually the bad guys all along, creating humans in their image just to alleviate their boredom, and then toying when their lives when they grew tired of them. Because they were made in the old Gods image, humanity was just as bad, greedy, and destructive as they were.

- Ares did not care for humans, but neither did he deemed them important enough to destroy. As the humans forgot the old Gods, they warred against each other, increasing Ares' power. The Other Gods, seeing what was happening tries to destroy the humans sending plagues disease and hunger, but that caused them to only fight even harder. Ares soon became the strongest God, and the others rallied against him. Ares did not even fight back that much as he still cared somewhat for them, not that he needed as he was stronger than them together by that point. It took Zeus using nearly all of his power in a final desperate blow to strike him down and banishing him to Earth.

- Ares can't affect what happens in the world, he can't even be seen by the humans. He's just a spectator that's been seeing them through millennia, and his opinion on humans hasn't changed. They're just as evil, destructive, backstabbing, as they had always been. he does not see anything positive about them, but neither can he kill them, nor does he want to. Their very own wars of destruction give him power, and this Great War will perhaps give him back the power he lost in the final confrontation to return once more to Olympus. He entreats Diana to go back to Themyscira, and even vows on his honor to never harm the amazons or attack them as he respects them too much. Then he just leaves

- Dr. Poison is the true Main Villain, and is upgraded as such (she should not laugh). She serves as a foil for Diana; both extraordinary woman, both fighting in war, but in different societies. In the end, she takes the bomber plane to launch her chemical weapons on London to win the war. Steve manages to catch up and enter the bomber, where he fights his way through the soldiers there to try and stop her. After Ares disappears, Diana meets with Chief, Charlie and Sameed, discussing their options and making a plan, Chief can hotwire one of the planes to start, but does not know how to fly it. Sameer mentions his nephew Andre once taught him how to, so he can fly it. Charlie accompanies them to man the gun in the plane, while Diana uses her Lasso to hold herself as she stands in one of the wings (like the acrobats of before).

- They have to fly, and fight, through the entire screen of fighters accompanying the bomber as they approach. Diana jumps to the bomber, and struggles before opening the door and entering, finding Dr. Poison holding Steve at gunpoint. Both have a conversation, where Diana tries to have her stand down, as she tries to make her see she does not want to do this. Dr. Poison seems to vacillate, before apologizing, breaking some of the poison bombs, and jumping out. Steve has Diana leave before the poison kills her, gifting her his watch and kissing her before she leaves and he crashes the plane into the ocean, dying.

- We have the final scenes where we see the end of the war, the men go back to their lives, and Diana creates her own. Seeing the world change, now living as a Curator/Archeology specialist in the modern world. The picture of her and her friends from back then still in her possession.
Diana Prince/Wonder Woman: She is an Amazon warrior princess and one of the world's first superheroes, known as Wonder Woman. She is the daughter of Queen Hippolyta and Zeus, the king of the Old Gods. Diana is a very kind, loving, compassionate, and strong-willed person, who, while initially somewhat naïve, has become all the wiser through her time in Man's World. She's also a bit of a naïve idealist, believing that the war was solely caused by Ares, and defeating him would make everyone good again. The discovery that Ares had nothing to do with it disillusions her, but Steve's love and sacrificing nature made her see that humanity did have something worth fighting for.

Played By: Jane Seymour
Alternate: Kim Cattrall

Captain Steve Trevor: He is a United States Army Air Service officer who worked for British Intelligence as a spy, as well as an ally and lover of the superheroine Wonder Woman, being literally the first man she had ever met. Steve Trevor, as a soldier, was remarkably courageous and determined, while also being a capable spy. Though somewhat cynical and narrow-minded, seeing Diana's compassion and unbreakable spirit in action renewed Steve's hope, boosting his morale and energizing him to no longer hesitate against seemingly insurmountable odds. He selflessly sacrificed himself to thwart Dr. Poison's plan and finally end World War I for good.

Played By: Harrison Ford
Alternate: Bill Pullman

General Erich Ludendorff: He is a general of the Imperial German Army, and an ally of the nefarious Dr. Poison. He gained metahuman powers by inhaling a special gas developed by Dr. Poison, but was eventually killed by Wonder Woman, who mistaken him for Ares and that his death would finally end all wars. He is as an extremely megalomaniacal, ambitious, ruthless and relentless individual, seeking to win World War I at any cost with Doctor Poison's chemical weapons, and not hesitating to shoot his men or officer peers at the slightest disagreements with him. Due to his enhanced condition, Diana believed him to be Ares, though she later finds out that's not the case.

Played By: Donald Sutherland
Alternate: George C. Scott

Dr. Isabel Maru/Dr Poison: She is the loyal ally of General Erich Ludendorff who developed mustard gas for Germany during World War I. A brilliant, passionate chemist that works for Ludendorff due to the lack of opportunities everywhere else. She's an exceptionally selfish, cold, and ruthless person, having a poisoned nature (described as a psychopath by Steve Trevor). Her willingness to fully wipe out the Allied Powers with her lethal gas rivals that of General Ludendorff himself. Her loyalty to Ludendorff for his help is deep, to the point of willing to sacrifice herself to let the plan succeed.

Played By: Meg Foster
Alternate: Anjelica Huston
Sir Patrick Morgan: He's a staunch Allied Powers supporter, with him notably funding the "Wonder Men", a group special forces soldiers) for their military expedition to find and defeat General Ludendorff, with Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor leading them. Though initially dismissive of Diana, he comes around as he sees what she's capable of doing, hoping she can break the stalemate and end the war.

Played By: Patrick Stewart
Alternate: Michael Caine

Etta Candy: She is Steve Trevor's secretary, as well as a good friend of Wonder Woman during World War I. Etta is very friendly, affable, bubbly, and talkative, as well as an adamant advocate for female suffrage and equality. Hence, she took an instant liking to Diana when the latter naively compared the job of a secretary to slavery, which Etta seemed to interpret as Diana calling out the inequality of genders at the time.

Played By: Edie McClurg
Alternate: Dawn French

Sameer: He's an ally of Diana and Steve during World War I and a member of the "Wonder Men". Sameer is charming, open-minded, improvisational, and intelligent, though he has an occasional penchant for spinning elaborate lies. As an Arab, Sameer is bitter about his race complicating his lofty ambition to become an actor, but he resolutely maintains the ambition nonetheless. While he initially only has purely monetary interests when joining, seeing Diana's compassion and unbreakable spirit inspires him past the point of sheer profit,

Played By: Amrish Puri
Alternate: Roshan Seth

Charlie: He's an ally of Diana and Steve during World War I. He was also a member of the "Wonder Men". Due to having gone through some horrific ordeals in the war he gained long-lasting PTSD, and depression, to the point of having a penchant of getting drunk and engaging in bar brawls. Diana's compassion and unbreakable spirit in action renews Charlie's hope, boosting his morale and energizing him past the point of purely monetary interests, to the point that Charlie sings and plays the piano for the first time in years after the battle.

Played By: Patrick Duffy
Alternate: Nick Nolte

Chief: He is a Native American who became a skilled smuggler during World War I. He is also an ally of Steve and Diana, and a member of the "Wonder Men". Chief is kind-hearted, soulful, pensive, open-minded, and intelligent. Chief is bitter about his people losing their land to white Americans, and hence he resolved to stay neutral in the war, profiting from both sides. His experiences with Wonder Woman and his friends inspires him to fight against the Central Powers.

Played By: Wes Studi
Alternate: Will Sampson
Queen Hippolyta: She is the Queen of the Amazons, a former lover of Zeus and mother to Diana. Hippolyta is an extremely capable and skilled leader, as well as an equally courageous warrior. However, her experiences have also made her very embittered against humanity and very overprotective of her daughter, to the point of outright deceitfulness and strict rules against Diana even learning Amazonian combat. She eventually allows her to leave with Steve, but warns her she may never return Themyscira.

Played By: Lynda Carter
Alternate: Ursula Andress

Antiope: She is the general of the Amazons, the sister of Hippolyta and the aunt of Diana. Antiope personally mentored her beloved niece, Diana in combat training for centuries leading up her death. She perished during the German invasion of Themyscira, sacrificing herself to save Diana's life during the attack. She did not die in vain, however, as her sacrifice inspired Diana to finally leave the island and save "Man's World" from what she believed to be Ares' machinations.

Played By: Stockard Channing
Alternate: Diana Rigg

Ares: He is an Old God who was commonly worshiped as the "God of War", and the most fearsome son of Zeus, who was worshiped by the Ancient Greek and Roman civilizations. Though the Amazons were told they were created as a check against him, in reality Ares cares not about the Amazons or humanity, who he sees as unworthy of even fighting for. He's just an observer, and can't influence anyone due to his lack of powers. The jealousy and bitterness of his fellow Gods had him being cast aside, and he now waits for the moment his powers return.

Played By: Patrick Swayze
Alternate: Alan Rickman

A.N.: So, I think the changes to the ending work as they add some pretty good cooperation between all the group and have them all be present at the final confrontation. Diana being able to at least talk to Dr. Poison shows that she's learning to be more empathic, and Steve's sacrifice, though similar to OTL Captain America, also makes sure to explain why he is no longer present. Plus, it will be something no one would see, as the TV Show has either Steve Trevor or his son/nephew being constantly present.
Nice idea but shouldn't Bruce play Ares I mean he killed it before against wonder woman
 
He's also Batman though, and while it's funny to have him be both, it's better to just treat them as separate things to eliminate confusion.
Could be funny if he casually starts swapping faces while talking to her, one of them being Bruce's, telling her the Old Gods often take the form of their most ardent enforcers of their belief.

Much later, when Diana questions Bruce about this, he brings up that if Ares is meant to represent War as represented by soldiers, then his war on crime likely qualifies as belief.

"But-"
"Diana, I'm Catholic. I take no other than Him, and all that."
 
Could be funny if he casually starts swapping faces while talking to her, one of them being Bruce's, telling her the Old Gods often take the form of their most ardent enforcers of their belief.

Much later, when Diana questions Bruce about this, he brings up that if Ares is meant to represent War as represented by soldiers, then his war on crime likely qualifies as belief.

"But-"
"Diana, I'm Catholic. I take no other than Him, and all that."
I like it. Also, interesting idea to make Bruce Catholic. AFAIK, religion is never really a thing with his character, but we did get confirmation from Magoose that our performance changed Batman canon, including making Martha Irish Catholic. Making Bruce also catholic allows for some fun stuff with the Order of St. Dumas and Azrael in that case and gives him some fun Daredevil-esque potential stories.
 
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